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  • royounggoku
    Banned
    • Sep 2013
    • 753

    #16
    Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

    Originally posted by wordtobigbird
    Preface, I have never played 2k8.

    Less than a minute and half in and I am wow'd by 2 post play things in a row.

    - At 1:15. After the whistle blows two guys get into it. One is pushing the other and they start pointing into each others faces.

    - At 1:22 on the next play, the defender makes a tackle for loss. He lays out like hes dead for some reason lol but after that his teammate walks up to him and gives him some celebratory chest punches.

    Makes me kind of sad that I didn't play it and that Madden doesnt have it.. :/
    Look at the downfield blocking at 2:20 man it's crazy.

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    • wordtobigbird
      MVP
      • Sep 2008
      • 4385

      #17
      Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

      Originally posted by royounggoku
      Look at the downfield blocking at 2:20 man it's crazy.
      The animations really highlight the feel that the players are giving effort and struggling to get to through that block.

      I guess the game is too old to buy digitally on Xbox but I just got the demo.

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      • roadman
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2003
        • 26339

        #18
        Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

        The developers at Madden have seen 2k

        Heck, Ian used to keep the game running in the office.

        I'm sure Madden is trying to get there.

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        • royounggoku
          Banned
          • Sep 2013
          • 753

          #19
          Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

          Originally posted by roadman
          The developers at Madden have seen 2k

          Heck, Ian used to keep the game running in the office.

          I'm sure Madden is trying to get there.
          I surely hope so.

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          • asu666
            Pro
            • Jul 2008
            • 700

            #20
            2K8 would have owned the generation if it had a franchise mode. I played through a season, but starting over with all the stats reset killed the possibility of me continuing to keep it in the regular rotation of games I play. Now, I mostly play a game here-and-there when I realize how disappointed I am with Madden each August. I want to believe that Madden on Ps4 can change that, but the picture is mixed at best a week before launch.

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            • SkillzKillz719
              Rookie
              • Jan 2011
              • 197

              #21
              These articles always make me so sad. Why doesn't NCAA College Football 2k16 exist yet..

              2k always has dominated the football genre. They will continue to do this if they had the resources.

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              • JerseySuave4
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 5152

                #22
                Lets put it this way, haven't decided whether or not i'll give Madden a try on the PS4. If I do it will only be to add a little variety. I am picking up NBA 2k14 tonight for the PS4 and I can't even play it for another week, at least. I will put down a preorder for MLB the Show because I know i'm getting that game, have so every year the past 4-5 years. I stopped buying Madden at least 5 years ago, stopped buying NCAA the last 2 years. I simply got tired of buying a crappy game. Why invest time & money in 2 games that were mediocre at their best. The player movement has always been an issue for me, the running/throwing motions, etc.

                They are more concerned about coming out with the flashy, NEW feature to put on the back of next year's box than worrying about fixing the core of the game. They worked on things pretty much 1 aspect at a time. This year it's running, this year its throwing, this year its pass blocking. They hardly added anything to the defensive side and the special team was never touched. And i'm talking about both games. It was the same game for the most part with a minor feeling of an upgrade at times.

                They had no competition so if you wanted football you had to buy one of their games but I realized I don't miss football video games when NBA comes out in November and can easily take me right into MLB the Show which is good enough year round. Those games are fun because of the realism. Madden/NCAA were boring because there wasn't enough good to overlook the ugliness and problems the game had.

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                • UptheARSEnal
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 59

                  #23
                  Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                  It is just unbelievably sad that 2k8 is still the best game on the generation. How does the Tiburon developer grave yard still not understand route based passing? Calling a 3 step drop, planting your back foot and rifling the ball to the spot where your reciever was supposed to be was just brilliant and so much fun.

                  The tackling was so much better, the line play was intelligent, the offensive plays werent made up nonsense and the defensive playcalling was intuitive and real, the sideline interactions, the tv presentation, the after play interactions. What do these Tiburon people even do on a typical day of work? They cant even get uniforms right.

                  The 2k team understood football and made football. Tiburon doesnt understand football and makes video games.


                  That video seriously pisses me off.

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                  • 24
                    Forever A Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 2809

                    #24
                    Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                    I hate to make the discussion all about 2K Vs Madden. But we must face the facts. When a Game as old as NFL 2k5 which was now produced 2 console generations ago still outperforms certain aspects of a new game that is a problem.

                    Madden takes their market position for granted. SECA continues to put out stunning games with MLB The Show, despite the fact that they now have zero competition from anyone. They are always building upon old features. rarely anything is ever removed, there is no "3 Year Plan", and it seems they genuinely care about our input.

                    Madden on the other hand? Not so much. When Ian was heading up the project Madden seemed to really be turning it around. Now with th exception of Ultimate Team Madden has regressed. Franchise mode has been wiped off the face of the planet and replaced with "Connected Careers" and gameplay always seems to be an issue.

                    I'm not trying to bash, I am just so dissatisfied and disappointed with EA. Madden used to be great. They truly innovated back in the day and they no longer do that now.


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                    • Hassan Darkside
                      We Here
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 7561

                      #25
                      Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                      Originally posted by royounggoku
                      WARNING: I'm posting a video of All-Pro 2k8 PLEASE nobody catch feelings. Mute the video if you like because he's pretty much praising 2k throughout but please I encourage even the most hardcore of Madden fans if you enjoy football PLEASE fully look at this video objectively and give your thoughts.

                      <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Y4o1plULQM0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                      I'm not saying there aren't quirky things happening, players to do make weird jerky cuts at times but it is by far overpowered by the beautiful gameplay. THIS is the kind of thing that needs to be seen and I don't know if it can happen without something drastic like an overhaul to the engine.
                      One thing I just noticed is at 1:50 you actually see John Elway side arm a throw to fit the ball through a small window to Jerry Rice on a crossing route.
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                      • rootofalleli
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 272

                        #26
                        Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                        Originally posted by wordtobigbird
                        Preface, I have never played 2k8.

                        Less than a minute and half in and I am wow'd by 2 post play things in a row.

                        - At 1:15. After the whistle blows two guys get into it. One is pushing the other and they start pointing into each others faces.

                        - At 1:22 on the next play, the defender makes a tackle for loss. He lays out like hes dead for some reason lol but after that his teammate walks up to him and gives him some celebratory chest punches.

                        Makes me kind of sad that I didn't play it and that Madden doesnt have it.. :/
                        I too have never played 2k8. Wow.

                        The post-play, the sidelines, the movement... so much better. Gang tackles looked decent, pursuit angles were solid, and the ball physics on that early tipped pass for an INT made me tear up a little.

                        I don't want to go off on another tirade. This is just... wtf.

                        <a href="http://reactiongifs.com/?p=11067"><img src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/disappointed1.gif"></a>

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                        • d11king
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 2716

                          #27
                          Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                          Originally posted by royounggoku
                          WARNING: I'm posting a video of All-Pro 2k8 PLEASE nobody catch feelings. Mute the video if you like because he's pretty much praising 2k throughout but please I encourage even the most hardcore of Madden fans if you enjoy football PLEASE fully look at this video objectively and give your thoughts.

                          <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Y4o1plULQM0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                          Bruh this video just made me lose interest in my online league.

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                          • UptheARSEnal
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 59

                            #28
                            Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                            2k8 was so rewarding if you put in the time. Learning the timing of the 3,5,7 step drops and when you needed to release the ball. You know, actually learning the play, not learning the AI zone deficiencies or the money play.

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                            • jyoung
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 11132

                              #29
                              Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                              Originally posted by Ruff Ryder
                              One thing I just noticed is at 1:50 you actually see John Elway side arm a throw to fit the ball through a small window to Jerry Rice on a crossing route.
                              Elway was one of the quarterbacks in APF 2K8 who had his own custom throw animations and his own custom play action animations.

                              I believe there are around 20 different "animation packages" for quarterbacks in the game.

                              Additionally, the throw animations for every quarterback would change depending on how much pressure was around him. It's a lot like the "dynamic shot animations" feature that NBA 2K14 is trying on PS4.
                              Last edited by jyoung; 11-08-2013, 10:43 PM.

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                              • wordtobigbird
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 4385

                                #30
                                Re: OS Roundtable: Looking Back at Football Edition

                                Originally posted by jyoung
                                Elway was one of the quarterbacks in APF 2K8 who had his own custom throw animations and his own custom play action animations.

                                I believe there are around 20 different "animation packages" for quarterbacks in the game.

                                Additionally, the throw animations for every quarterback would change depending on how much pressure was around him. It's a lot like the "dynamic shot animations" feature that NBA 2K14 is trying on PS4.
                                Wow. Impressive.

                                I wish EA would just pull an Apple/Android and steal lol. Good features are just good features.

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