cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

[NYG 5]

in madden 13, i could pretty much throw the ball wherever i wanted to on the field.

i'll agree that WRs reacted too well to being re-routed, but just the ability to throw into wholes in the defenses kept me able to play safe with the ball.

now? you try doing that to anybody running more than 15 yards down the field, it routes the ball right into a defenders hands. i don't get it. even leading a receiver even further when running a simple streak underthrows the ball.

what's killing me is that i unconsciously keep trying to lead passes because i'm trained to use the feature from legacy madden/2k. i can't shorten and lead inside to throw inside a defender. i can't lead to throw over. also, the sensitivity for touch passes on the controller is terrible as well. too many passes for some reason turn into bullets, especially when trying to lead.

this kills the game.

also, playing ps4, QB also has around 65 awareness, 78 accuracy, if that matters.

[MasterCoach]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

Awareness and accuracy do matter for that ability.

[TheRealHST]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

Even in 13 you couldn't. This is something that's been plaguing Madden for years and accuracy and awareness at the highest levels dont change that. You can't really place the ball anywhere you want. Not like the "other" old game which actually had total control.

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[KANE699]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

Your deep accuracy, throw power and timing as well as stepping into the throw all play into effect on this.

[icicle22]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

There is an issue where it is far more difficult to lead than in previous maddens and in other games. I would like to see a few more overthrows than so many underthrows all the time. This leads to a ton of interceptions.

I don't need to complete deep passes on every play, but when I have a guy wide open, and my QB hangs it every time where a DB can make up 5-10 yards and pick it off, it becomes frustrating. When a WR beats his man off the line, I have to typically rifle the pass in to him within the first 10-15 yards, and then he gets caught.....but at least it's not a horribly under thrown deepball that is picked or "dropped" by the defender.

This needs to be tweaked. Deep passes happen in the NFL that are behind the secondary and no DBs can catch up. It happens. But not so much in Madden.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

I think we all agree that player interaction needs to be improved, and that definitely includes the long pass play interaction and ball trajectory...But in teh NFL the long pass play isn't that common; a long pass being 25 yards or more...

The following link gives big pass and run play percentages...pass is 25+ yards..***n play 10+ yards.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-big-play-statistics/2013/

[bc21045]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

I think we all agree that player interaction needs to be improved, and that definitely includes the long pass play interaction and ball trajectory...But in teh NFL the long pass play isn't that common; a long pass being 25 yards or more...

The following link gives big pass and run play percentages...pass is 25+ yards..***n play 10+ yards.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...atistics/2013/

That site only shows the plays that end up going for over 25 (or 10 for rushes) yards not the attempts. According to PFF all but 7 QBs attempt at least 10% of their passes >20 yards downfield and the success rate varies depending on personnel (so far this year the range is 23-63% completions) which is something madden has always struggle to show.

Just from my own experience twice in the last day i've had receivers beating their man by 3-4 yards and had one pass intercepted and one pass knocked down due to underthrows. I always use the Panthers and I've yet to see Cam overthrow a receiver which happens several times a game irl.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

That site only shows the plays that end up going for over 25 (or 10 for rushes) yards not the attempts. According to PFF all but 7 QBs attempt at least 10% of their passes >20 yards downfield and the success rate varies depending on personnel (so far this year the range is 23-63% completions) which is something madden has always struggle to show.

Just from my own experience twice in the last day i've had receivers beating their man by 3-4 yards and had one pass intercepted and one pass knocked down due to underthrows. I always use the Panthers and I've yet to see Cam overthrow a receiver which happens several times a game irl.

There are definitely issues in the way Madden handles the deep pass, as well as the coverage system...

I looked up deep pass stats on PFF and the top 10 QB's were between 43% and 60% which makes sense because the attempt at the long passes was between 9% and 16% of passes tried with an in air travel distance over 20 yards; thus suggesting to me that deep passes are attempted when the odds are well in the favor of the passer to receiver to complete the pass.

What I also found interesting on the same page was the completion percentage of QB's when considering passes that were on target but dropped...When the "drop" is considered in, the QB completion rating is between 74% and 80% for the top 10 QB's...This statistic has me considering that the reason Madden sees so many higher than average completion ratings is because receivers catch too many passes; they are not catching "a lot" more than they should; I believe we are talking maybe 2 or 3 balls a game or so that should be drops..

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/pff-signature-stats/#DeepPassing

[NYG 5]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

UPDATE

i looked at my sliders, and for some reason the CPU pass cover slider was 75.


that explains the godlike coverage every damn team has been showing me when their only rated in the low 80s.

[bc21045]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

There are definitely issues in the way Madden handles the deep pass, as well as the coverage system...

I looked up deep pass stats on PFF and the top 10 QB's were between 43% and 60% which makes sense because the attempt at the long passes was between 9% and 16% of passes tried with an in air travel distance over 20 yards; thus suggesting to me that deep passes are attempted when the odds are well in the favor of the passer to receiver to complete the pass.

What I also found interesting on the same page was the completion percentage of QB's when considering passes that were on target but dropped...When the "drop" is considered in, the QB completion rating is between 74% and 80% for the top 10 QB's...This statistic has me considering that the reason Madden sees so many higher than average completion ratings is because receivers catch too many passes; they are not catching "a lot" more than they should; I believe we are talking maybe 2 or 3 balls a game or so that should be drops..

https://www.profootballfocus.com/abo...s/#DeepPassing

Which completion ratings are you referring to when you say higher than average?

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

Which completion ratings are you referring to when you say higher than average?

The Accuracy Percentage (QB)....there is example was also that: Kurt Warner’s 2008 completion percentage of 67.1% was bumped to an Accuracy Percentage of 79.3% thanks to 35 dropped passes being awarded back to him, 12 throwaways and three spikes being marked off his record, and a combination of 33 other batted or ‘hit-as-threw’ efforts being counted out.

[bc21045]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

The Accuracy Percentage (QB)....there is example was also that: Kurt Warner’s 2008 completion percentage of 67.1% was bumped to an Accuracy Percentage of 79.3% thanks to 35 dropped passes being awarded back to him, 12 throwaways and three spikes being marked off his record, and a combination of 33 other batted or ‘hit-as-threw’ efforts being counted out.

I get that, you said you're seeing higher than average completion rates in madden. Are you talking about sim stats, user completions in game, CPU in game..?

[goganious]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

I have not found it difficult to lead players whatsoever.

I've been using the Bills. EJ Manuel has only 76 DAC, but 94 Throw Power. I have two receivers with 96 and 98 speed, respectively. So when opponents drop a safety into the box, I send them on deep routes and lob it to whichever one is singled up on the corner. If they already have decent seperation, I JUST lob the ball. No directional passing. If the corner is close, I'll press up and lob the ball. Its on the money just about every single time.

This is in online ranked games.

[4thQtrStre5S]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

I get that, you said you're seeing higher than average completion rates in madden. Are you talking about sim stats, user completions in game, CPU in game..?

CPU....and User to the degree of if the user is any good they are gonna be able to take the lesser skilled passers and still complete a large number of passes...

[dannydufflebags]

Re: cannot lead passes whatsoever, especially downfield

I've noticed comebacks routes have some issues. 80% of the time I throw it just as or before the WR is making a cut, and hold the stick to the outside with the intention of throwing to the open space, but instead, it gets thrown straight at the defender. Super annoying.