Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

[hawley088]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

Just got this yesterday and I was only able to play 2 quarters but the very first thing I noticed is how when playing in the normal playing view behind the qb, the players don't have any type of lighting on them, they are very bright and flat looking, like their arms are just a solid color with no shadows

But in the cut scenes they look pretty good imo

[The7LiterWizard]

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Doesn't seen that anyone really ever has a reaction to anything said in this thread - which is why I don't understand why more threads can't be created with unique subjects but here goes:

-The CPU defense is super human on All Pro
-Too many interceptions, and not enough for the user at all.
-Wonky, wonky, wonky! I think they have tried to make guys not being able to turn on a dime a realistic aspect or something and in turn they've really messed it up. Like players recover fumbles five yards in bounds and just run out of bounds. Players on out routs make catches and instead of a 5 yard or 7 yard gain or turning it up field (cause you never see that on sundays LOL) the guy just runs backwards or out of bounds. Guys have to establish their direction completely or they can't move (WONK WONK WONKY) and by then the defense is tackling them. Too many 3 yard gains on pass plays and it makes it hard on defense too, the player seems to not move where you want him to.
-Too many drops for no aparent reason for the user.

[N51_rob]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

Doesn't seen that anyone really ever has a reaction to anything said in this thread - which is why I don't understand why more threads can't be created with unique subjects but here goes:

-The CPU defense is super human on All Pro
-Too many interceptions, and not enough for the user at all.
-Wonky, wonky, wonky! I think they have tried to make guys not being able to turn on a dime a realistic aspect or something and in turn they've really messed it up. Like players recover fumbles five yards in bounds and just run out of bounds. Players on out routs make catches and instead of a 5 yard or 7 yard gain or turning it up field (cause you never see that on sundays LOL) the guy just runs backwards or out of bounds. Guys have to establish their direction completely or they can't move (WONK WONK WONKY) and by then the defense is tackling them. Too many 3 yard gains on pass plays and it makes it hard on defense too, the player seems to not move where you want him to.
-Too many drops for no aparent reason for the user.

What is the reaction you are looking for exactly? This is a thread where you can post what you think of the game, what you like dislike etc. Rather than have every person who buys a game make a new post to do that they are all placed here. Again, if you let me know what you are looking for in reaction I may be able to help you find it.

[FaceMask]

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Come on man. Plenty of people that really know football *hate* Madden because of the IMPORTANT facets of real football that it neglects. But, yeah, people that play the game in an unrealistic way really make the experience worse.

Agreed. Madden is missing something key in every critical area of football, be it the sport itself or just the way it's presented on TV.

When I saw Tom Brady in M25 XB1/PS4 still holding the ball at/or below his waist during a drop and set (terrible mechanics at the modern pro level, or even Pop Warner for that matter... who is he supposed to be in Madden now? Sammy Baugh?), that alone gave me indication that they are about to embark on another generation without addressing all the little things that add up to something big.

I think it's a combination of them really not noticing and not caring when they do notice. You can't go a decade and miss these things if you actually understand it's a problem and you give a damn.

[NEOPARADIGM]

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Wonky, wonky, wonky! Guys have to establish their direction completely or they can't move (WONK WONK WONKY) and by then the defense is tackling them.

About sums it up for me. Animations in general (and especially running animations) are sloppy and weird. Not to go all hyperbole, but I'm reminded of NCAA 07 on 360 when playing this.

NCAA 14 is the better football game, from animations to physics to presentation. This game has better graphics and that's it.

Consider me disappointed, though I don't know what I was expecting. EA gonna EA.

[ABR173rd]

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Thoughts after playing through two season Offline CFM on All-Madden.

The game is much more challenging than it was previous Gen and I am enjoying that part.

A couple glaring issues at this point:

1. Interceptions thrown by the USER is insane, I've went back and watched the replays and the CPU DB's are making catches that simply could not be made in RL given the ball trajectory and the amount of distance they are moving to get to the ball.

2. I have also noticed that when the CPU throws the deep ball to a WR that is has his man beat deep, the cpu always hits him in stride and there is NO slow down by the WR unlike when attempting a deep pass from the user side where there is a ton of momentum lost IF you make the catch regardless of how much space you had.

3. Sim stats for CPU QB's are ridiculous Aarron Rodgers threw for 16 TD's one season and 14 Int's- you could really replace his name with any of the top QB's and it is obvious that the sim engine has some glaring flaws and I wonder how it will hurt progression down the road.

4. I had a running play where my blockers got out front and threw a block the defender went down for a split second and instead of going through the "getting up" animation, popped back up and made a tackle instantly. Not sure if this is related to All-Madden difficulty.

5. Way to many passes are being intercepted by the CPU on tipped balls where the CPU is coming out of nowhere in a slide animation and making the Int- the Interception issue goes way beyond making bad decisions from the users perspective.

6. The defensive line in general on the user side seems to play the same and for the most part ineffective regardless of ratings. If I am user-ing a player he is fine but a 95 RE will have no impact on any game all season.

7. I just noticed this today regarding attributes- Why is there a strength rating which we can upgrade for Offensive Linemen yet a Pass Block Strength and Run Block Strength which we can't adjust? I have a high rated rookie with 65 PBS and 69 RBS but he's rated 83 overall?

8. User Catch needs to work ALL of the time and WR's on the user side to need attempt to make a play on ever ball.

9. The directional passing does not always work nor does the ball go in the direction it's supposed to when using the stick.


Overall I am really enjoying the game but I am starting to feel like the challenge in the defense is more a result of cheap trick's and user handicapping behind the scenes versus the actual attributes making a difference. Zone coverage is tighter but the CPU players have an unreal range they can cover when making a play on balls that in RL would be out of their reach.

[RollTideGoBills]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

The game is much smoother it feels almost lifelike. The graphics are much better.

The biggest improvements are to the defense, but that is only because on ps3/360 the defense was SO BAD. There are still money plays out there and smart routed outs and curls can still burn you or your opponent. The Smash play is really tough to stop as well. The QB Wrap isn't as overpowering but they got it in Shotgun spread and normal and it works pretty well there. So it can be easy to score on a bad opponent and if you have trouble stopping these plays (like me sometimes) it can still get frustrating in online ranked play. Also some outside running plays like the Outside Zone from the Baltimore playbook don't get an appropriate response from the D.

On offense it is obviously a little more challenging and it feels more realistic. Im still adjusting to having a sprint button again but I like the tru-step and everything involved with the running game. The offensive line is competent

[RollTideGoBills]

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1. Interceptions thrown by the USER is insane, I've went back and watched the replays and the CPU DB's are making catches that simply could not be made in RL given the ball trajectory and the amount of distance they are moving to get to the ball.

5. Way to many passes are being intercepted by the CPU on tipped balls where the CPU is coming out of nowhere in a slide animation and making the Int- the Interception issue goes way beyond making bad decisions from the users perspective.

8. User Catch needs to work ALL of the time and WR's on the user side to need attempt to make a play on ever ball.

9. The directional passing does not always work nor does the ball go in the direction it's supposed to when using the stick.


Zone coverage is tighter but the CPU players have an unreal range they can cover when making a play on balls that in RL would be out of their reach.

I totally agree with those points about the passing game. The NFL is a passing league and the passing game and the pass rush should be finely tuned for next years game.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I have a noticed a pattern here. Majority of the people that are having issues with the game are playing on All Madden and have changed sliders & penalty settings. On default All Pro I'm not seeing 99% of the stuff people are seeing and having issues with in this game.

So the past few days I tinkered around. Played on All Madden, the AI for the User and CPU is completely messed up. The whole flow of the game is just totally off.

- Played on slow speed on all difficulties, the CPU AI just becomes completely dumb on slow speed. They can't move the ball at all, their ball carriers don't attempt any special moves what so ever.

- Moved the penalties to 60. AI became dumb as well.

- Moved the sliders to 60 and to 40, AI became dumb both times.

So my conclusion, normal speed, default All Pro is the way to go. I can hit wide WRs in stride. I can lead the ball to where ever I want on the field. Don't see a lot of interceptions. I can truck defenders when I want. I can stiff arm defenders when I want. I can juke when I want. Don't have problems breaking tackles. Don't have problems making tackles in the open field in 1 on 1 situations.

To me the problem is the sliders, penalties, game speed and All Madden difficulty. Change any slider, penalty setting, game speed setting or play on All Madden you will just end up with a ton of issues to the point it looks like you playing last gen Madden with all the old legacy issues.

[ABR173rd]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

I have a noticed a pattern here. Majority of the people that are having issues with the game are playing on All Madden and have changed sliders & penalty settings. On default All Pro I'm not seeing 99% of the stuff people are seeing and having issues with in this game.

So the past few days I tinkered around. Played on All Madden, the AI for the User and CPU is completely messed up. The whole flow of the game is just totally off.

- Played on slow speed on all difficulties, the CPU AI just becomes completely dumb on slow speed. They can't move the ball at all, their ball carriers don't attempt any special moves what so ever.

- Moved the penalties to 60. AI became dumb as well.

- Moved the sliders to 60 and to 40, AI became dumb both times.

So my conclusion, normal speed, default All Pro is the way to go. I can hit wide WRs in stride. I can lead the ball to where ever I want on the field. Don't see a lot of interceptions. I can truck defenders when I want. I can stiff arm defenders when I want. I can juke when I want. Don't have problems breaking tackles. Don't have problems making tackles in the open field in 1 on 1 situations.

To me the problem is the sliders, penalties, game speed and All Madden difficulty. Change any slider, penalty setting, game speed setting or play on All Madden you will just end up with a ton of issues to the point it looks like you playing last gen Madden with all the old legacy issues.

Ill check this out man, on previous Gen I would just destroy the CPU on All-Pro. It's funny you bring up the Juke Moves and Stiff Arm, I can truck some defenders but I yet to successfully stiff arm nor juke anyone and I am using Darren Sproles... I am also playing on Slow so maybe I will try a game on All Pro and see what happens.

[HopiDesertPriest]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

I have a noticed a pattern here. Majority of the people that are having issues with the game are playing on All Madden and have changed sliders & penalty settings. On default All Pro I'm not seeing 99% of the stuff people are seeing and having issues with in this game.

So the past few days I tinkered around. Played on All Madden, the AI for the User and CPU is completely messed up. The whole flow of the game is just totally off.

- Played on slow speed on all difficulties, the CPU AI just becomes completely dumb on slow speed. They can't move the ball at all, their ball carriers don't attempt any special moves what so ever.

- Moved the penalties to 60. AI became dumb as well.

- Moved the sliders to 60 and to 40, AI became dumb both times.

So my conclusion, normal speed, default All Pro is the way to go. I can hit wide WRs in stride. I can lead the ball to where ever I want on the field. Don't see a lot of interceptions. I can truck defenders when I want. I can stiff arm defenders when I want. I can juke when I want. Don't have problems breaking tackles. Don't have problems making tackles in the open field in 1 on 1 situations.

To me the problem is the sliders, penalties, game speed and All Madden difficulty. Change any slider, penalty setting, game speed setting or play on All Madden you will just end up with a ton of issues to the point it looks like you playing last gen Madden with all the old legacy issues.

I agree with you!!


What is your Opinion about player threshold? Would lowering that slider to 15 be a bad idea?


And do you think setting Penalty Sliders:


offsides and false starts to 100


Offensive holding to 70


Facemask to 60


Would that screw-up the gameplay?


And do you suggest to leave Injury and Fatigue at Default {50}?


Thanks for your Help.

[GisherJohn24]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

I put my threshold down to 30

[KingV2k3]

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I have a noticed a pattern here. Majority of the people that are having issues with the game are playing on All Madden and have changed sliders & penalty settings. On default All Pro I'm not seeing 99% of the stuff people are seeing and having issues with in this game.

Kudos, GMSS!

This is also my take on the last few iterations of last gen as well...

A few years back, the devs (I believe it was Ian Cummings) said that the game was tuned to play versus the CPU on All Pro and All Madden is tuned for head to head...

Trying to beat a "sim experience" out of a level that was intended for a "hyperbolic" version of football intended for every use EXCEPT playing the CPU isn't going to turn out as desired...

At "default" All Madden means that the USER sliders need to be at 25 or below, while the CPU's are set at 75 and above...

By "borking" your players attributes while "jacking" the CPU's there's not a lot of "mathematical probability" to create balanced (sim style) gameplay...

Many sets don't follow the above "slider math", so they're sort of a AP interpretation of AM level, which seems to bring out the worst of both in the Madden "engine", IMHO...

There's only so much "customization" that this game's engine will allow / accept before going bonkers...



I feel I wasted a LOT of time this year trying to beat a sim out of both AM (M25) and Heisman (NCAA 14), only to realize that it's not really possible, for my taste...

I make that mistake every few years and always end up back at the level that starts "equal" and is much more accepting of customization as a result...

IMHO, of course!

[HopiDesertPriest]

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I plan on playing as the Starting quarterback for all 32 NFL teams.

What happens if the Starting quarterback gets Injured, Can you thrn control the backup QB?

[The7LiterWizard]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Impressions (PS4)

I've put about 20 hours in. The game just feels as broken as ever to me. There are still a ton of issues. almost $500 hard earned dollars later, I feel like I got duped again. LOL when will this ever be fun again and not a "beat my head against the wall" experience.