Wingspan/Speed formula

**gnusi** · 12-21-2013, 02:55 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

I like this!, do you have anymore edits?

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-21-2013, 11:31 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

Originally posted by gnusi

I like this!, do you have anymore edits?

Yeah I just added the Lakers and the Heat's speed and measurements.
So far I have the measurements for the Bobcats, Heat, Lakers, Pacers, Timber Wolves, Thunder, and Trail Blazers with the speeds for the Lakers, Heat, Pacers, Thunder and Trail Blazers above.

I've noticed that any speed under 50 fall into the category of "no NBA player runs that slow" so Ive shifted the scale from 50 to 99. I use 3/4 sprint times because while they dont tell you how fast a player plays it tells you how slow they arent. Its also somewhat fair and it creates an athletic curve thats missing. Out of five teams the Heat Trail Blazers Thunder, Pacers and Lakers there are only three guys with 90s and no player above 95 yet.

**jayska23** · 12-22-2013, 12:36 AM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

The way I'm doing the wingspans are if the players wingspan is 9% bigger than their height than it's a 90
8.4% 84 and so on
I think many of your wingspans and speed are too high like Greg Oden with a 72 speed?

**gnusi** · 12-22-2013, 08:07 AM

This is awesome! I was exactly going to ask for lakers edits. however I edit everything, so keep up the good work man

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-22-2013, 12:18 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

Originally posted by jayska23

The way I'm doing the wingspans are if the players wingspan is 9% bigger than their height than it's a 90
8.4% 84 and so on
I think many of your wingspans and speed are too high like Greg Oden with a 72 speed?

Thats kinda what I do with wingspans except I split the number against shoulder width. A higher percentage goes to wingspan when they larger than average standing reaches, a lower percentage goes when its lower than average so guys with maxed shoulders or wingspans have either freakishly long arms from having a huge standing reach or freakish wide shoulders by having a short standing reach with a huge wingspan.

Examples
Kobe has an unearthly standing reach so his wingspan drains from his shoulders. The guy is like 6'4.75 barefoot with an 8'10 standing reach...

Im thinking about redoing the formula for guys like Kobe who goes well past the existing range so I would pour the remainder into shoulders after subtracting it for wingspan. I'll try it right now.

The new Kobe Bryant.
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So yeah even the new Kobe is maxed. Two things changed. I found out his

standing reach was in shoes and I changed how I handle maxed stats.

Here is the math. I take the difference between a players wingspan and barefoot height and subtract 1.5 because the models are already somewhat lanky. I would say that they have a slightly above average wingspan. I then take the remainder increase it by a value of ten then cut it in half. I set the two numbers to the side. Lets say the number was 4 I make it 40 then cut in half with two 20s.

So I have two 20s

I then compare their standing reach to the average NBA standing reach for their height. Lets say its .7 greater. I multiply that times a modifier. Its ten now it started off as 1.5. 10 * .7 I get 7. Since the standing reach is greater than average I subtract 7 from shoulder width and give it to wingspan. When the standing reach is less than average I subtract from wingspan and give to shoulder width. What Im changing now is that everytime I subtract I give back after one maxes out so no actual numbers are lost.

This is a redo of a maxed shoulder width as an example.

Danny Granger

You subtract his barefoot height from his wingspan, then subtract 1.5 * 10 /2 and you get two 22s his standing reach is 3.1 inches shorter than average. Go with the formula and...

New Granger

44 100 50

Reducing guys from what they once were is the toughest part about roster edits especially with someone like Oden. This is a dude that was faster than Lillard and CJ. I took 10 off of him and I'm not sure either way. He looked good when he played in the preseason. I was thinking he is back until tells the reporter he has to go ice up. If he has to ice after 10 minutes it makes you wonder. I think he is healthier than advertised and its a ploy. We will see.

**J_Posse** · 12-22-2013, 01:39 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula - Xbox Uno - GT Max1000000

Nice job, man. You can really see the difference in Nic Batum and Kevin Durant's player models. Have you noticed the longer arms making a difference in gameplay?

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**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-24-2013, 12:13 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula - Xbox Uno - GT Max1000000

Originally posted by J_Posse

Nice job, man. You can really see the difference in Nic Batum and Kevin Durant's player models. Have you noticed the longer arms making a difference in gameplay?

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it makes a difference in jump balls and probably tip ins now that big men are are jumping for rebounds. I see more of a difference with organic speeds. I can still get to the hoop with Lillard after dropping his speed from 95 to 80 because ball handling and onball defense matters more than speed in the halfcourt. It does make a difference in the transition game. Just seems more realistic. I would gladly dump the system if STATS would use their speedometer for speed ratings but I figure Visual Concepts is too idealistic to use such technology. They have been nerfing athletic bigs for years now. I think Dwight Howard is still slower than every PG except Fisher who has a 70. He might even be slower than Fisher.

Sucks that this speed thing is only for average speed.

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http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingSpeed.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=AV_SPD&sortOrder=DES

Great tool for stamina ratings.

I added speeds and measurements for the Kings and Spurs to the file. I'll update it here this week and probably add the T-Wolves, and Bobcats since they are already on the file.

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 12-28-2013, 09:43 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula - Xbox Uno - GT Max1000000

Update with speeds from the Bobcats, Suns, Timber wolves, and Pistons will add more measurements if the servers ever work again

**Permatron** · 12-30-2013, 12:21 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

Nice work! Im going to input the few speed and wingspan edits you have here on the thread and give them a run. Do you mind placing the rest of your edits on thread for the PS4 users? Im sure every roster editor would appreciate it.

**cjdakid21** · 12-30-2013, 02:02 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

I def would appreciate it, this is awesome, i was trying to figure out how this worked, I'm interested to see how Rondo's wingspan will look

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 01-01-2014, 01:05 AM

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Ooooh K my rosters did not make it through the customer purge well. This is [can I cuss now OP sports??] ridiculous. The thing that really pisses me off is how deliberate you have to be to make such a mistake. Its the type of incompetence that has a smugness. Im sure someone spoke up with some common sense and got shot down. T

They put STATS on the box like they are going to invest in the rosters and they are no better than they were last year. The best 2k rosters were back when the Insider person or persona had a blog and seemingly listened to people but in a begrudgingly slow sort of way that signified that the person or persona had less insider knowledge than most roster editors.

But we had the share function and ok Im glad that its in but you can only save online. I dont mind if My Player forces you to choose online or off because of cheating. Requiring a connection for the rest of your saves... Why? Are people using Game Genies to steal VC? Thats consistent with using STATS as a decal on the box. Yeah...

This is Blackfish stupid.
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So what are we left with??

I didnt do that many edits. I wasnt going to pour too much time into fixing the broken rosters until I had a tangible save file. That said I went further than intended editing the speeds and measurements for the Heat, Trail Blazers, Pacers, Bobcats, Pistons, Thunder, Timberwolves, Suns, Lakers, Kings, half the Cletics and I had the data for the Spurs. I'm not even going to analyze why what was reset was reset. I noticed that some guys had physical upgrades so maybe they ran a global edit and it reset teams, or maybe now that others can download edit and upload the same file maybe someone or myself saved over it because some of the edits are there are some arent. The Trail Blazers have their measurements but old speeds. The Heat, Pacers, Bobcats, Kings, and Lakers are all reset, the Thunder's speeds are reset, the Pistons and the Suns look fine and the Celts are half done.

So for now Im going to take a break. I was a few hours from half the league and now It would take at least a few hours to get back. I'll take a break, run the numbers on some teams but I dont think I will edit anything until I can make some backup saves on something else than those servers. If they want to run global edits and fix guys like Andre Miller and Paul then communicate. It might be time to buy Fifa. Demo is hot.

**chunt04** · 01-03-2014, 09:51 AM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

If you could create a spreadsheet and crunch the numbers for all of your edits, that may expedite your process of having to re-enter them. This could also be posted to OS for the roster makers that want to incorporate these into a roster with shot, accessory, rating edits to limit trades. What do you think?

**Kaanyr Vhok** · 01-03-2014, 07:49 PM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

Originally posted by chunt04

If you could create a spreadsheet and crunch the numbers for all of your edits, that may expedite your process of having to re-enter them. This could also be posted to OS for the roster makers that want to incorporate these into a roster with shot, accessory, rating edits to limit trades. What do you think?

Sounds good

As much as I dont like saving edits on a file system that corrupts chaotically I usally update my friends teams anyway. Thats like five teams and I already have the numbers for ten so I'll post them. It might take me 20 days or so. So every team on paper by February.

**chunt04** · 01-04-2014, 01:18 AM

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula

That sounds good to me. If there's anything you need help on, let us know. I'm sure we can find people to pitch in.

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