NBA Live 14 Has Arrived, Post Your Impressions Here

[The 24th Letter]

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Spacing for me is the big fundamental that this game does better, the other thing would be the pace of the game.....It's why I can't go back to the "competition" anymore

This is actually why Live is wearing on me...even with the increased contact I noticed, I didn't even feel like finishing the game...there is more to NBA basketball than half court sets and slow paced basketball, these guys are athletes, they run!! body positioning is a big fundamental part of basketball for me as well, and too often that isn't respected...

while there arent a lot of fast breaks when you do get one you can run it well because the cpu teammates fill the lanes correctly and the defenders dont have the ability to cover three players at once.

I would have to disagree here....the reason there are hardly any fast breaks is because guys are randomly stopping at the 3 point like or running to random spots on break....I don't see many instances where the lane is being filled properly...couple that with the fact that player speed isn't really done well, and that aspect of the game is lacking..

Spacing, a slow pace, accurate stats...all great...but if were talking fundamentals, there's a lot more to it...I mean as of right now you can't even play the passing lanes...

[El_Poopador]

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This is actually why Live is wearing on me...even with the increased contact I noticed, I didn't even feel like finishing the game...there is more to NBA basketball than half court sets and slow paced basketball, these guys are athletes, they run!! body positioning is a big fundamental part of basketball for me as well, and too often that isn't respected...




I would have to disagree here....the reason there are hardly any fast breaks is because guys are randomly stopping at the 3 point like or running to random spots on break....I don't see many instances where the lane is being filled properly...couple that with the fact that player speed isn't really done well, and that aspect of the game is lacking..

Spacing, a slow pace, accurate stats...all great...but if were talking fundamentals, there's a lot more to it...I mean as of right now you can't even play the passing lanes...

i hear you. sometimes what should be a fast break is broken up because of that stop on the pass. but when i do get a fast break it always seems like its run properly. i play with cavs so i dont expect a lot of fast breaks to begin with. but i had one today where i picked off a pass and pushed it up. deng got out to the three point line and stopped while the defenders were trying to defend the layup and i was able to hit him for the open three. it just felt natural.

maybe it feels better to me because it doesnt feel like the defenders are psychic. there isnt an open shot on every play but i see little things like that where its not a defender just randomly leaving his assignment but rather my own teammate making a smart play.

[WTF]

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Appreciate your answer Pared. I mean by these standards hasn't almost every NBA game that has come out been "fundamentally sound"? lol. My man said it's more fundamentally sound than the competition. I'm just trying to figure out what this game does that is more fundamental than the past and the competition. I don't want to start a comparison thread, but what does the competition do that is less fundamental? What does that mean for me as a gamer?

Honestly besides the team shot percentages(which I do appreciate in Live) the differences in these 2 games are the things you mentioned, lol. Why would I want to play a game that has less personality, worse animations, less authenticity, & worse graphics? Seems like alot of people are flocking to this game simply because it's not the competition. Which is totally fine, but the broad statements I've seen try to make it seem like it's more to this game than it being simply a change of pace and a different game.

In my case, the Computer AI and your teammate AI is what keeps me here. Your teammates make smart basketball plays (for the most part) both on offense and defense. Whether it be rotations, help defense, showing help but staying home on defense, or setting a backscreen for your teammate, running off of double screens, making hard cuts, etc on offense... that's where it's at.

The players also have more weight to them and aren't slipping and sliding here and there. The weight detection on contact could be better, but the game isn't reliant on 2 man animations/scenarios.

My main love of the game is the AI though. I wish that everyone had as fluid of gameplay as what I'm getting. I wish guys weren't having the late game AI madness. The worst issue that I have thus far is leading my guy out of bounds on the pass, and vice versa with the CPU offense.

I think this is the only videogame that you can be ridiculed for liking, and I'm sure plenty of naysayers will chime in and downplay the post, but I feel like it does a lot of basketball plays right. You don't have super psychic defenders picking off passes with their backs turned to the play, nor the ball passing through 3 of your defenders torso's. If you try to pass through the lane, most of the time you better have a true opening, as the ball will hit legs, bodies, heads, etc and react accordingly. I tried to pass through defense, and Beasley's arm was swinging as he was running, the ball hit his fist and went flying into the air, just as you'd expect it to do.

[SageInfinite]

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I think this is the only videogame that you can be ridiculed for liking, and I'm sure plenty of naysayers will chime in and downplay the post, but I feel like it does a lot of basketball plays right. You don't have super psychic defenders picking off passes with their backs turned to the play, nor the ball passing through 3 of your defenders torso's. If you try to pass through the lane, most of the time you better have a true opening, as the ball will hit legs, bodies, heads, etc and react accordingly. I tried to pass through defense, and Beasley's arm was swinging as he was running, the ball hit his fist and went flying into the air, just as you'd expect it to do.

For me it's not about ridiculing people for liking this game. For me it's about people making broad statements about the good things in this game and why they like it without details, but going into immense detail about what they don't like about the competition. Also for liking something in this game more and giving it more credit when the competitions game does something similar or the same thing. It just comes off as people preferring this game because it's something different and having extreme distaste for the competition. I would love to have an option in the future, so I'm just trying to understand the appeal, because I don't get it from the footage I see. I think I get it though.....

[DirtyJerz32]

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In my case, the Computer AI and your teammate AI is what keeps me here. Your teammates make smart basketball plays (for the most part) both on offense and defense. Whether it be rotations, help defense, showing help but staying home on defense, or setting a backscreen for your teammate, running off of double screens, making hard cuts, etc on offense... that's where it's

True story... This is my main reason as well. My teammate aren't leaving their player for some odd reason, they'll set picks in appreciate areas and also, hedge on screens when you want them too. When I play a game, I don't want to be pissed off cause my idiot AI defender left a man wide open for three.

[WTF]

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For me it's not about ridiculing people for liking this game. For me it's about people making broad statements about the good things in this game and why they like it without details, but going into immense detail about what they don't like about the competition. Also for liking something in this game more and giving it more credit when the competitions game does something similar or the same thing. It just comes off as people preferring this game because it's something different and having extreme distaste for the competition. I would love to have an option in the future, so I'm just trying to understand the appeal, because I don't get it from the footage I see. I think I get it though.....

Oh I know. I was just answering my opinion. My love for the game is purely on what it does right, and that's what keeps me coming back and posting as in depth as I do.

Do I wish that others wouldn't be ridiculed for enjoying the game? You bet. I have had more pm's from thankful people who are enjoying the game after reading the impressions and more messages on youtube, which is great. Glad that others have given it a fair shake.

I have never been in the minority on a video game really, but regardless, I will still give my impressions and what I'm seeing, popular or not.

Hopefully you'll be able to enjoy it in the future. A few tweaks from where I'm at and it'll be golden.

[quehouston]

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What does that mean as far as basketball videogames go? It's more fundamentally sound?

Court spacing is great.

I love the fact that i'm not forced to run to a certain spot on the floor for plays to start.

Players help with purpose.

Multiple ways to set up how you play the ball handler and screens.

Just small things man, simple basketball. It really helps to have a designer that actually knows basketball on the staff.

I feel like you guys are trying to turn anyone that says anything positive about the game into a hyperbole lol. I, by NO means, am saying this game is great, or even good. Im just saying that its a nice alternative to playing a game full of flashy passes, alley oops, and windmill dunks in traffic, while shooting 70% every game.




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[Earl1963]

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Hopefully we can keep this discussion mature. If not, I'll have to stop everyone.

I don't want to answer for que, but I agree with you to a point. I think there are issues in games that typically kill much of the experience for some, specifically teammate AI. while I don't want to start comparing the two (and I'll probably regret bringing this up) there are issues with 2k14's defensive rotations, the way players don't know when to use turbo or get in a defensive stance. These things, since they aren't in the player's control frustrate people and I don't see those SPECIFIC issues here. Players generally stay on their man and rotate properly. They do a good job not crowding certain sides of the court. And there are others...

I liken it to baseball games though. The one on one is a huge part of a basketball game, much like the batter pitcher interface. You're always in control of one guy and going against one defender. This area, whether it is facing up, in the post, etc. needs to be deep to me. Can jab step left? Right? Fake spin? Launch? Quick step back into a pull up? Double fake? All of this is huge for me. I've spent two-three community days telling EA this and the controls were never fleshed out to the depth I detailed. Until I start seeing deeper controls the game just seems shallow. If you can overlook this and want simple X's and O's the game seems to be doing that with very minor warts. I believe that is the draw and the "fundamentals" guys will point to. But you're right - you can have a fundamentally sound game but we've had that in previous years. Unless Live and ID now all of a sudden were not of the like...

The main reason I have such high hopes for the Live series is because of the strong foundation set in this first next gen effort. Looking very much forward to Live 15.

[The 24th Letter]

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I feel like you guys are trying to turn anyone that says anything positive about the game into a hyperbole lol. I, by NO means, am saying this game is great, or even good. Im just saying that its a nice alternative to playing a game full of flashy passes, alley oops, and windmill dunks in traffic, while shooting 70% every game.

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You say this, then give a hyperbole yourself...y'all say this stuff, throw a "oh it's not perfect" out there and don't expect a response, lol

To be honest...this is the game with the most dunking in traffic, and the higher PIP totals...however some want to rationalize it...

It's all about what your willing to deal with....don't know why we can't just leave it at that...

[quehouston]

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You say this, then give a hyperbole yourself...y'all say this stuff, throw a "oh it's not perfect" out there and don't expect a response, lol

To be honest...this is the game with the most dunking in traffic, and the higher PIP totals...however some want to rationalize it...

It's all about what your willing to deal with....don't know why we can't just leave it at that...

I could go on and on and on about everything negative in this game just like you could. But what would be the point? Everyone with eyes knows this game has issues, huge issues. But because I choose to not bash, and praise it on what it actually does right, thats a hyperbole?

[SageInfinite]

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I feel like you guys are trying to turn anyone that says anything positive about the game into a hyperbole lol. I, by NO means, am saying this game is great, or even good. Im just saying that its a nice alternative to playing a game full of flashy passes, alley oops, and windmill dunks in traffic, while shooting 70% every game.

I just asked a question about your statement. Appreciate your answer. It's all about perception. You perceive those things to happen in 2k every game, I can say I don't. It's just when people make statements like that, it makes me believe people just prefer Live over the competition, which is fine.

[Pared]

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I feel like you guys are trying to turn anyone that says anything positive about the game into a hyperbole lol. I, by NO means, am saying this game is great, or even good. Im just saying that its a nice alternative to playing a game full of flashy passes, alley oops, and windmill dunks in traffic, while shooting 70% every game.

...geez. Are you the pot or the kettle? And this was actually going well.

[quehouston]

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I just asked a question about your statement. Appreciate your answer. It's all about perception. You perceive those things to happen in 2k every game, I can say I don't. It's just when people make statements like that, it makes me believe people just prefer Live over the competition, which is fine.

No harm no foul

[quehouston]

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...geez. Are you the pot or the kettle? And this was actually going well.

Lol, I got caught up in the heat of the moment

[Pared]

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Gotta stay cool under pressure!