Passing/ WR/DB interactions need an overhaul

[TheFlamingWeazel]

Madden needs to totally rebuild it's passing mechanic,s so much is wrong with it.

1: Every qb plays the same. I play with peyton manning or an undrafted rookie, zero difference. (The vision cone was a good idea should have been left as an option)

2: Ball is always tethered to the receiver.

3: WR/DB interactions are woefull. Why everytime I have 1 on 1 down the field with my 6 4 receiver, the WR just gets stuck in an animation, never makes a play on the ball, or tries to adjust his route to get the ball, allowing the DB to easily get the INT, even if he was open by 2-3 steps? eh sticks his hands out while the DB makes an adjustment and jumps for the ball WTF? Where is the fighting for the ball?

4: Qb throwing animations are still god awful.

5: Why after all this time is there still such a weak playbook? There should be a lot more plays in the playbooks now.


This is just the tip of the iceberg madden has other issue but I wanted to talk just about passing.

[WillNotLie]

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I'm sure by now we've all noticed there are a lot of flaws in this game. Passing is a big issue here, with the 2 trillion calculations (dev's words not mine) that players have now. I find it funny we still get horribly missed blocks, glitching players across the field on a reg basis and 90% underthrown deep balls. To this extent, I def. feel the passing game is in dire need of an overhaul.

What I do find funny is the animations and the QB player models. Cam Newton is fat and his throwing motion is horrendous in Madden. Maybe with this new team something will change.

One can only hope.

[reddogmaddogbul]

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Madden needs to totally rebuild it's passing mechanic,s so much is wrong with it.

1: Every qb plays the same. I play with peyton manning or an undrafted rookie, zero difference. (The vision cone was a good idea should have been left as an option)

2: Ball is always tethered to the receiver.

3: WR/DB interactions are woefull. Why everytime I have 1 on 1 down the field with my 6 4 receiver, the WR just gets stuck in an animation, never makes a play on the ball, or tries to adjust his route to get the ball, allowing the DB to easily get the INT, even if he was open by 2-3 steps? eh sticks his hands out while the DB makes an adjustment and jumps for the ball WTF? Where is the fighting for the ball?

4: Qb throwing animations are still god awful.

5: Why after all this time is there still such a weak playbook? There should be a lot more plays in the playbooks now.


This is just the tip of the iceberg madden has other issue but I wanted to talk just about passing.

Yeah it's about time for madden to overhaul passing and just about everything else too. LONG OVERDUE

[m1ke_nyc]

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Would like to add that QB drop back animations, and QB movement in the pocket overall needs a overhaul. You got QBs doing 360 spins jumping up in the air and completing passes. Im sure people have seen the vids. Well maybe not 360 but the will have there back to the play and when you pass it they kinda leap in the air and throw it with perfect accuracy.

[infemous]

Re: Passing/ WR/DB interactions need an overhaul

Would like to add that QB drop back animations, and QB movement in the pocket overall needs a overhaul. You got QBs doing 360 spins jumping up in the air and completing passes. Im sure people have seen the vids. Well maybe not 360 but the will have there back to the play and when you pass it they kinda leap in the air and throw it with perfect accuracy.

my god this is so overlooked but QBs need to be able to move in the pocket a lot more precisely and the right stick should be freed up for evasive moves like the Romo spin or the Newton hop.

[2KGAWDD]

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a deep discussion about the vision cone needs to be had. This was truly the first time you really FELT you were throwing with a rookie/inadequate back up or with the field awareness of a legend like peyton manning which spanned the entire field. idk why they jus 86d it from the game

[gr18]

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I've used my own Madden manifesto sliders for qbs for years now to see more of a difference.I use the in game qb accuracy rating for each qb and divide by a number to differentiate between them more.I also use the previous years int.pct.for them and use that for the int. slider.

Shouldn't have to do this though.

[Shaffer26]

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a deep discussion about the vision cone needs to be had. This was truly the first time you really FELT you were throwing with a rookie/inadequate back up or with the field awareness of a legend like peyton manning which spanned the entire field. idk why they jus 86d it from the game

They changed it because it was too sim. The casuals don't want that in the game.

[OhMrHanky]

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They changed it because it was too sim. The casuals don't want that in the game.

I always wondered about that. That makes sense. I loved the cone. Another totally impressive thing that ea finally does right, and they have to scrap it immediately. That was a shame. I def dug the cone. And, it actually made quite a good bit of sense, and wasn't that hard to manipulate. Just took some getting used to. And, really, what else is the right stick for? QB juke? Give me a break, I have used that move ONCE in 4-5 years. Lol. Do other people use the right stick for sack avoidance?


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[Rewmac]

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Well I agree with some, but I have to disagree with one thing though. I don't think every QB plays the same. I mean I was trying Brees for deep passes, he made some of them, then I tried the same with Smith and he couldn't find his man. I know there are a lot of things that need an overhaul in this game, but it's not getting enough attention, though I think the live feed and the updates are much better than FIFA's, but still. The Xbox One version of Madden isn't really "next-gen".

[2KGAWDD]

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the cone also allowed you to manipulate linebackers and lead them out of zones with your eyes like qbs talk about all the time. ahhhh i jus wish theyd at least give us the option next year

[WHATISTHISPOWER]

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I agree with the cone. It needs to come back. I loved it for everything. You could look off defenders, and it made QB ratings actually matter. Now I feel like if I am playing with Ponder or Brady I can make the same throws. The biggest difference in QB seem to be the speed rating now.

There was nothing like being able to look at a WR down field and then dump it off on a screen or flat for a big gain. Or the opposite, no pressure and focus on the screen, and hit the guy down field who had a step or two on the defender.

The one bad thing is people would control the SS or FS and follow the cone. Yes it was a big gain when looking defenders off, but new players to the game suffered and it became unrealistic.

[dghustla]

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The thing that kills me the most is this: How in the world is the DB always in perfect position to get in a INT on a deep jump ball if my WR isn't beating him by 5 yards? It's crazy a DB with 20 CIT rating makes more catches on deep balls than the WR he's guarding with 80+ CIT.

I really hope this whole passing system is the focal point of madden 15. It's simply atrocious. DBs should have their own animations and not share animations with WR.

Think of this for a moment. Richard Sherman said he would have made an interception instead of a tip had Crabtree not pushed him in the back. Madden team needs to find a way to get this right. Where contact effects how the DB and the WR play the ball. There should be more deflections than INTs. On deep balls the defender usually has his back to ball and looks over his should and put his hand up not catching ever ball over the shoulder.

They need to really make going for the pick more risky than it has been.

IN madden CCM Cb have 20+ int a year. in real life Sherman lead the league with 8. I'm just saying.

[jmaj315]

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I always wondered about that. That makes sense. I loved the cone. Another totally impressive thing that ea finally does right, and they have to scrap it immediately. That was a shame. I def dug the cone. And, it actually made quite a good bit of sense, and wasn't that hard to manipulate. Just took some getting used to. And, really, what else is the right stick for? QB juke? Give me a break, I have used that move ONCE in 4-5 years. Lol. Do other people use the right stick for sack avoidance?

while i agree with 99% of your post ... QB 'juke' can be useful if your QBs elusiveness is high enough...
think about those QBs in real life that always dodge that first rusher (Big Ben, Eli(sometimes), Peyton) thats what the right stick does... and it works if you time it right. I started using it in M13 and its slightly better in 25.

But adding to your post, I think they should bring minicamps back and marry that with the skill trainer. Pocket presence comes to mind, and coffin corner. Stuff that can actually help you(?)

[ajk49er]

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it isn't so much a juke. they have it in APF, you can slip in incoming defender, he can dive OVER you, to the side of you, etc, depending on your ability to time the stick move(something the CPU does very well with great qb's)


WR/DB interaction is one of the things that has made me step away from the madden series. I find it incredibly unrealistic, and I think it is actually worse now than it was a few years ago.