Leading receivers on vertical routes

[LSX]

Why is it basically impossible in this game?

User vs. user, All-Madden, 90% of vertical routes get picked off because the pass is usually underthrown. Trying to "lead" the throw by holding up on the L joystick does absolutely nothing. Bullet or lob doesn't matter, same result. You have to take control of the WR and hope you can undercut at the last second and out jump the DB. Your WR can have his guy beat, but unless you have Stafford/Johnson or a similar QB/WR duo, the throw is rarely where it should be. As long as the DB is close to your target, he'll have a chance to make a play on the ball.

One particular play I had Jordan Cameron running a seam wide open down the middle. Weeden throws, and my opponent was able to take control of a linebacker and undercut the throw by a good 7+ yards and make the pick. No way that should happen; the trajectory of that pass should be impossible to intercept unless the linebacker was 8 feet tall. You can lead guys left or right without issue, throw it short to them, but you can't overthrow them? That's BS.

You can exploit screens, corner routes, slants, and basically every other type of "horizontal" route all day every day and throw for 500 yards a game. But why do they take away the possibility of overthrowing a vertical? Does anyone else have this problem or am I just crazy?

[schmitty34]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

I haven't played any user vs. user, but I have had the same problem with user vs. CPU, even on easier levels. Outs, hitch routes, digs, sticks, etc. work well, but I rarely am able to complete a deep ball unless there is broken coverage and the guy is just wide open.


Even if he beats the CB, the pass rarely makes it over the CB for an over the shoulder catch.

[JulioTheBeast]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

You need a single high safety or no safety in coverage, you should only try it vs press coverage unless you have a blazer against a snail.

If your WR totally kills the jam and the CB whiffs, zip it to him immediately, away from the safety towards the sideline if there is one.

If your WR comes off the line and the CB is running with him, "If he's even, he's leaving".

So when you see your WR even with the CB running down the field, lob the pass without leading him in any direction.

The QB will lead the receiver and if he has enough arm strength and the receiver enough speed he will leave him in the dust.

Passing the ball vs the CPU is pretty easy if you have the receivers.

If the CBs play off coverage, a "smoke" route (right trigger) or "out" route should be completed every time. Comebacks can also be used against off coverage but if you use it continually they will buzz a safety underneath it who can go for a pick six, so only do that if you know what you're doing.

If the CBs play press or atleast line up at the line, send the outside receivers on "go" routes and watch the safeties.

If there are 2 high safeties you'll need to hit the WR inbetween the CB and S which is dangerous, or once the WR has clear the safety which takes a long time. Against a 2 high safety look you want to hit your TE over the middle or crossing routes.

If there is 1 or no high safeties, try to watch both outside receivers at the same time, and if someone wins right off the snap zip it out, otherwise wait for them to get even and lob it.

[CBoller1331]

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I usually try to follow that system and it works well. The only thing is, like u said, trying to shoot the ball between the corner and safety is dangerous and will be intercepted 90% of the time if you force it. That's how a lot of my INTs happen

[macbranson]

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The deep ball is really difficult, but it is possible. Like stated earlier, you have to wait for one on one coverage. If there's one deep safety , send both receivers on deep routes and see which side he commits to, then throw it to the other side. Or if there's no deep safety , that means the defense is probably sending 6 or 7 guys after the QB, so you have to keep guys back to pick up the blitz or you'll never get a chance to throw the deep ball. And you definitely have to do it when the cornerback is in press coverage or it will get deflected or picked . It may sound funny, but speed isn't as big of a factor as you would think. The CPU has beaten my corners on deep routes twice out of like four tries and I have corners with 93 and 98 speed. They were beaten by receivers with lower speed running streak routes. And my starting WRs both have sub 90 speed, but they've beaten much faster corners. You just have to be patient and wait for the defense to give you the read you're looking for.

[LSX]

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I am referring to 1 on 1 coverage, so take the safeties completely out of the equation. I'm talking WR vs CB or TE vs LB. The receiver beats his man and is open streaking deep.

Even if he beats the CB, the pass rarely makes it over the CB for an over the shoulder catch.

^ Exactly.

The quarterbacks should be leading the ball into the receiver's arms hitting them in stride, but this never happens. The ball always comes in at his back shoulder, giving my opponent an opportunity to make a play on the ball. All they have to do is control the CB and jump when the pass comes in, and 90% of the time it will be a user pick.

[JulioTheBeast]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

If you're having a hard time getting the coverage you want, run the ball.

If you're running it at will you will be able to throw whenever you want.

[JulioTheBeast]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

I am referring to 1 on 1 coverage, so take the safeties completely out of the equation. I'm talking WR vs CB or TE vs LB. The receiver beats his man and is open streaking deep.



^ Exactly.

The quarterbacks should be leading the ball into the receiver's arms hitting them in stride, but this never happens. The ball always comes in at his back shoulder, giving my opponent an opportunity to make a play on the ball. All they have to do is control the CB and jump when the pass comes in, and 90% of the time it will be a user pick.

You don't lead the receiver.

When your receiver is even with the CB, you lob the ball by pressing and releasing their button and no directions.

The QB will lead them and him them in stride.

If you're getting picked off you're not doing this or your QB has a noodle arm and your receiver is slow.

The QB automatically "leads" the receiver if you lob it when he is even and leavin.

[LSX]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Even if I don't "lead" the receiver, the pass rarely ends up where it should. I just wish I had the actual opportunity to lead him with the L joystick; I would rather overthrow it and fall incomplete than have it get picked off. My guy gets it or nobody gets it.

So I tap the button, no directions. The ball still hits him in stride, but not far enough out in front. The DB can jump and make a play on the ball unless he is beaten so badly that he's a good 3+ yards behind him. Yes it's a lot easier to complete with Stafford to Johnson, or Kaepernick to Boldin, or Tannehill to Wallace, etc. But as bad as Weeden is, he should not be picked off on 90% of his throws to an open Josh Gordon streaking downfield after beating his man.

Keep in mind, I'm talking about user vs. user, All-Madden. I'm sure I wouldn't be having this problem against the CPU.

[ghmjfgk]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Why is it basically impossible in this game?

[ghmjfgk]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Why is it basically impossible in this game?

[JulioTheBeast]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Even if I don't "lead" the receiver, the pass rarely ends up where it should. I just wish I had the actual opportunity to lead him with the L joystick; I would rather overthrow it and fall incomplete than have it get picked off. My guy gets it or nobody gets it.

So I tap the button, no directions. The ball still hits him in stride, but not far enough out in front. The DB can jump and make a play on the ball unless he is beaten so badly that he's a good 3+ yards behind him. Yes it's a lot easier to complete with Stafford to Johnson, or Kaepernick to Boldin, or Tannehill to Wallace, etc. But as bad as Weeden is, he should not be picked off on 90% of his throws to an open Josh Gordon streaking downfield after beating his man.

Keep in mind, I'm talking about user vs. user, All-Madden. I'm sure I wouldn't be having this problem against the CPU.

You're throwing the ball too late and letting the DB catch up after he's beat.

You can lead the receiver on vertical routes where you need to zip it towards the sideline away from the safety. If you do it right he'll be running wide open down the field.

If you don't lead him and just zip it to him when there is a safety there he will get blown up and drop it most of the time.

And make sure your QB is not falling backwards, rolling out or running when you throw it deep or you will get picked off with a bad QB like Weeden.

[Cardot]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Yeah, it is definitely an issue in the game. Wasn't M13 supposed to fix all this with passing trajectories and a new DB interaction system?

As is often the case, I believe there are some foundational mechanics in the game that have not worked for years. To compensate, EA then has to program in some band-aids which never work quite right. One underlying issue here is that QB's are too accurate. As long as I can remember in both Madden and NCAA, when you simply tap the button on a streak route, the QB will consistently hit the receiver 40 yards downfield in stride. Good QB's, bad QB's doesn't matter. Double coverage down the sideline, the ball is still perfectly laid in there. EA realizes that by default, it is too easy to complete these, so they then program in some "help" for the defense to neuter the streak route.

Again, just a theory of mine based upon years of playing EA football and watching the real sport on TV.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Leading receivers on vertical routes

Don't lead, it's about the timing of the pass. Push the button right when the receiving icon lights up and your accuracy will shoot up.