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  • ghmjfgk
    Rookie
    • Jan 2014
    • 14

    #31
    Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

    The NFL only deals in exclusives.

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    • ghmjfgk
      Rookie
      • Jan 2014
      • 14

      #32
      Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

      The NFL only deals in exclusives.

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      • jrivera34
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 1296

        #33
        Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

        Originally posted by tril
        just make an APF2k with a legacy dynasty mode for next gen, and make it customizable.

        Unfortunately there will not be enough sales to support it.

        I wish I could hit the lotto, pay for the 2K engine and pay some people (maybe SCEA!!) to make the game. I wouldn't care if I made money or not :-)

        Call me a fanboy or whatever but Madden is just a boring game with no life to it.

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        • kgbrolic
          Rookie
          • Feb 2009
          • 126

          #34
          Why doesn't 2k Sports make a comeback into college sports and just make a phenomenal College Football game for next gen? Don't they see that gamers are fiending for a new 2k Sports Football game?

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          • FaceMask
            Banned
            • Oct 2013
            • 847

            #35
            Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

            Originally posted by DJ
            I am enjoying M25, and feel like the current Madden team has the game moving in a positive direction.
            I've read this same quote countless times since 2005. The question I pose to those who say it is: when will EA finally reach the destination they've been directing towards for 10 years?

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            • FaceMask
              Banned
              • Oct 2013
              • 847

              #36
              Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

              Originally posted by kgbrolic
              Why doesn't 2k Sports make a comeback into college sports and just make a phenomenal College Football game for next gen? Don't they see that gamers are fiending for a new 2k Sports Football game?
              There will be no more college. The NCAA has declared themselves out of the video game licensing business.

              It's either pro or nothing.

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              • FaceMask
                Banned
                • Oct 2013
                • 847

                #37
                Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                Originally posted by jrivera34
                Unfortunately there will not be enough sales to support it.
                The individual player licensing that 2K did with APF killed their profits. At 400K units, it wasn't big by any stretch, but it would've been more than enough to cover general production expenses otherwise. APF was a very low-budget production.

                I know it's a popular opinion that a non-NFL licensed game can't sell, but I disagree strongly because:

                - Blitz The League 1 sold 1.6 Million copies and was an even lower budget production than All-Pro Football was. Midway made a killing on that game. Companies like 2K need to examine why Blitz worked. In my opinion, it worked because the fictional league and its teams and players were all given a strong professional identity that drew you in and made you believe it. The story pulled you in even deeper, and the tough hard-nosed no-holds barred approach was appreciated by fans because no other football game was ever that honest and in your face. The marketing was also excellent. It was basically GTA with football, except you couldn't have physical control of your off-field character.

                On the field, it was like what you would've pictured an XFL video game to be if the XFL had lasted. Cool on-field camera angles post and pre-play, dirty hits, and tons of trash-talking. A sim version of this game with better graphics and an open-world off the field story would be a monster.

                - Games like All-Pro Football and BackBreaker didn't fail sales-wise simply because they lacked an NFL license. Big reason yes, but not the only reason. They failed also largely because they were designed wrong.

                APF had WAY too many customization restrictions, and no worthwhile modes and activities to keep your attention. There were no stories, the team names were terrible, the uniforms were abominable, the league had no identity, and did I mention all the restrictions? And then the marketing was a legendary disaster. APF never stood a chance.

                BackBreaker was just a big tech demo. Just about everything was wrong with that game except for the great team editor and some cool RTP collisions.

                I strongly believe that there is a 1 to 2 Million unit potential for a non-NFL football game that does this the right way. I believe that if they add in a fleshed out Story Mode as well, that number could multiply.
                Last edited by FaceMask; 01-29-2014, 10:46 AM.

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                • kpkpkp
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1733

                  #38
                  Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                  OK, so no wind direction arrow that points the right direction for a few more years.

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                  • kjcheezhead
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 3118

                    #39
                    Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                    Originally posted by BBallcoach
                    I love how everyone is hating on EA for this... you should be mad at the NFL. EA was smart enough to pony up the cash. 2k wasn't thats on them. EA made a great business and people here on OS give them crud for it? why? because they don't know how business works. If there is anyone to blame it is the NFL and how they conduct exclusive licenses.

                    And BTW if you think 2k5 or APF are better than Madden 25 (especially next gen), then you're just crazy biased.
                    There is so much wrong with this line of thinking, I hardly know where to start. I am just as upset with the NFL as I am EA. When I upgrade to a new console this spring, I won't be buying the official NFL one. And this is not a jealously thing with EA because they made a great business decision, but because this agreement killed 2k football, game day , tecmo and all the rest.

                    And BTW if Madden 25 wasn't better than a 2004 ps 2 game or a 2008 generic low budget game it would say more about Madden than those games. Even so, I still enjoy APF and using players I grew up watching. It's all about a preference for variety and choice.

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                    • bspang2
                      Banned
                      • May 2008
                      • 44

                      #40
                      I really have no words.... EA is ruining sports gaming. NFL deserves some of the blame in regards to how they conduct business in terms of "exclusivity". EA business wise came up a winner in creating this monopoloy on the Football Sim gaming world. EA disappoints each year with Madden and every year for the past 10 years we keep seeing comments like "Madden is now moving in the right direction" .... at what point are they actually going to end up at desired destination? EA couldn't careless about its consumers and developing a game we deserve. I personally would pay $100 for a NFL2k next-gen Football game instead of a $60 crap game EA puts out each year (not worth $60 btw).
                      IDK thats just my opinion....

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                      • roadman
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #41
                        Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                        Interesting, two different posters using the same two words, final destination. Maybe I'm watching too much of The Following or have seen too many Final Destination movies.

                        We'll need to wait and see if another NFL game will be produced.

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                        • TheBuddyHobbs
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 2312

                          #42
                          Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                          Madden will still be making NFL games, but will they be the only one making a football game is the question. I didn't see the word exclusive used. Now it isn't to say I'm gonna my hopes up, but it's interesting they left out the word exclusive. Take-two very well could announce a football game after the super bowl. Now will they be able to announce an NFL game is the other question. Let's face it the exclusive license has never been a good thing for anybody.

                          Let's take a look at all the choices we had 10 years ago -
                          Madden 2005
                          ESPN NFL 2K5
                          NFL Gameday 2005
                          NFL Street 2
                          Blitz: The League
                          NCAA Football 2005

                          Now let's take a look at what is confirmed so far in 2014 -
                          Madden 15

                          This is very sad for games no matter who you are a fan of.

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                          • mestevo
                            Gooney Goo Goo
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 19556

                            #43
                            Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                            Wouldn't be surprised if the production and licensing of all of those games 10 years ago combined is less than what it takes to do Madden right now.

                            Sent from my VZW Note 3

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                            • TheBuddyHobbs
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 2312

                              #44
                              Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                              Originally posted by mestevo
                              Wouldn't be surprised if the production and licensing of all of those games 10 years ago combined is less than what it takes to do Madden right now.

                              Sent from my VZW Note 3
                              That wasn't the point of my post. Point is football gaming sucks now compared to 10 years ago.

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                              • JaymeeAwesome
                                Dynasty Guru
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 4152

                                #45
                                Re: EA Sports and the NFL "Still Have a Number of Years" on License

                                Originally posted by TheBuddyHobbs
                                That wasn't the point of my post. Point is football gaming sucks now compared to 10 years ago.

                                Based on? You are trying to correlate more choices to football gaming in general. These two things can't be compared. Having more than one choice doesn't necessarily mean better. Sometimes only having one choice makes it easier on the consumer who may be afraid that they might choose a football game they may not like. I know I enjoy only having one choice...mostly because when I have multiple choices I always end up picking the wrong one.
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