EA Sports UFC AMA Reveals More Details About the Game

[aholbert32]

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The producers had time, new systems, new and better technology, a new engine but they can't do certain things that companies have done well on past systems with older technology?!? yeah, right!!
The producers are holding back certain things to have something for the next games to keep it fresh and they can act like they made a major beak through.

What fighting games have done fighting in different weight classes right? In the Fight Night series, you can only fight one class above your weight class. In the THQ UFC series, its never been done (except for a glitch in UFC 3).

[redsrule]

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I wish you could go up or down a weight class with any fighter (expect down with heavyweight) but it isn't a huge deal to me right now. I do hope however you can edit guys weights/copy him to another weight like you could in Fight Night (I think you could do this)?

[aholbert32]

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I wish you could go up or down a weight class with any fighter (expect down with heavyweight) but it isn't a huge deal to me right now. I do hope however you can edit guys weights/copy him to another weight like you could in Fight Night (I think you could do this)?

I dont think you could do that in FNC. You could edit their weight but I'm not sure you could edit them so they could be designated as another weight class.

EA really doesnt have any excuse for not letting you fight at least one class above or below though since it was done in FNC. It will suck in 2015 when Aldo is fighting in LW and I'm stuck fighting him in FW. I can understand restricting the HW v. LW or Male v. Female fights but one class up isnt difficult.

[SHAKYR]

The offline experience, features and total customization will take a backseat to online. EA tends to take away offline freedom to focus everything to online.
Many of the things they say can't be done. Can be done! People accept things blindly and don't look deeper into the picture. EA and it's producers main focus and the future of keeping the game fresh for future releases.

[aholbert32]

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The offline experience, features and total customization will take a backseat to online. EA tends to take away offline freedom to focus everything to online.
Many of the things they say can't be done. Can be done! People accept things blindly and don't look deeper into the picture. EA and it's producers main focus and the future of keeping the game fresh for future releases.

What game has done those things you say can be done? LOL. WWE2K is the only series I've seen do big fighters against small fighters for years and they cant even get that right. Its not as easy as you say.

As for total customization, I'll be happy if its on the level of FNC. With FNC, you can change their ratings and clothing which is more than you could do in any other MMA game.

[Hiro1]

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I seriously wonder if some people believe producers intentionally make bad movies too so consumers will have a reason to go see the sequel. Maybe music artist hold back great singles to put on their sophomore album?

The idea that ea would hold onto a perfectly good working feature to keep the game fresh is asinine. Why? Because second iterations are not promised. The 1st EA UFC game could be bad(I hope not) and could very well flop and get cancelled and the dev team would be left looking for projects else where.

Like all games EA UFC will struggle with the paradox that is a fun simulation.

[aholbert32]

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I seriously wonder if some people believe producers intentionally make bad movies too so consumers will have a reason to go see the sequel. Maybe music artist hold back great singles to put on their sophomore album?

The idea that ea would hold onto a perfectly good working feature to keep the game fresh is asinine. Why? Because second iterations are not promised. The 1st EA UFC game could be bad(I hope not) and could very well flop and get cancelled and the dev team would be left looking for projects else where.

Like all games EA UFC will struggle with the paradox that is a fun simulation.

People get caught up in the EA hate a little. Has Madden withheld features? Yes but they are guaranteed to release a title every year.

When it comes to UFC, I flip flop a little. On one hand, EA can say this is their first UFC game all they want but you can clearly see that the game has taken elements (especially animations) from FNC and EA MMA so its not completely true that this game was built from the ground up.

On the other hand, we are dealing with not only a new series but with two new systems so I can guarantee there will be some bugs and glitches at first.

[SHAKYR]

I seriously wonder if some people believe producers intentionally make bad movies too so consumers will have a reason to go see the sequel. Maybe music artist hold back great singles to put on their sophomore album?

The idea that ea would hold onto a perfectly good working feature to keep the game fresh is asinine. Why? Because second iterations are not promised. The 1st EA UFC game could be bad(I hope not) and could very well flop and get cancelled and the dev team would be left looking for projects else where.

Like all games EA UFC will struggle with the paradox that is a fun simulation.

I'm speaking from interviews that have been conducted. I have even did interviews in which producers have said they have to save something for another game. It's stupid to think this isn't a business or they aren't doing business moves.

[Money99]

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The idea that ea would hold onto a perfectly good working feature to keep the game fresh is asinine. Why? Because second iterations are not promised. The 1st EA UFC game could be bad(I hope not) and could very well flop and get cancelled and the dev team would be left looking for projects else where.

They can do this because there is only one UFC game on the market so fans of UFC and video games have no choice but to buy this one.
That's how they can guarantee the title lives on year after year despite having stripped-down options.

And you really don't need any further proof than what we've seen from the NHL and Madden games - two other series' which don't have any competition.

Using EA NHL as an example, goalie fights were in NHL2004. Guess what wasn't in NHL07 through NHL12?
Then when it was re-introduced in NHL13, guess what they featured on the back of the box? Goalie Fights. And they advertised it as "Never seen before!" (Which is technically true since goalie fights never occurred on an 360 or PS3 before).

EA UFC won't be any different.
This is EA's first UFC title so they can easily say that because it's their first attempt at a UFC game they couldn't possibly fit in everything because they had to get so much else stuffed in first.

They'll slowly add features every other year and drag out the process until the PS5 and XB2 are released and then start the whole process over.

I'm speaking from interviews that have been conducted. I have even did interviews in which producers have said they have to save something for another game. It's stupid to think this isn't a business or they aren't doing business moves.

This is very true. As a member of a Community Day event, I've heard it personally out of a producers mouth.

[jeremym480]

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Having fighters fight against others they have no business fighting against in the least of my worries. In fact, I really don't want them wasting any dev time on something so silly.

It's akin to Madden how people want to put kickers on the offensive line and expect the DL to run over them like they would in real life. Why even waste time building animations for something that is so off the wall that most players will never even do it? I mean, should the DL run over the kicker like I could an 8 year old? Yes, for sure.. eventually. But for now there's so many other problems with the game that seeing that isn't even on my radar.

Back to the subject at hand - Ideally I would love for all fighters besides maybe HW to be able to move up or down one division. It's rare that someone fights across three, but it does happen. Example: BJ Penn is supposed to be fighting at featherweight in his next fight, his last few fights were at welterweight, but the majority of his UFC career was at lightweight. I'm sure there's others like that too, but that's the first one I thought of off the top of my head. On top of that, if a fighter moves weight-classes after the game is released I would like to see them update that with a roster update.

Lastly, I'm not worried about the release date. If it's releases in summer or fall I'm totally okay with that. Because for 1) UFC is not a seasonal sport and 2) I'd rather them work out the kinks pre-release rather than rush the game out and have to release several major patches. As far as I'm concerned they can take all they time they need.

[SHAKYR]

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They can do this because there is only one UFC game on the market so fans of UFC and video games have no choice but to buy this one.
That's how they can guarantee the title lives on year after year despite having stripped-down options.

And you really don't need any further proof than what we've seen from the NHL and Madden games - two other series' which don't have any competition.

Using EA NHL as an example, goalie fights were in NHL2004. Guess what wasn't in NHL07 through NHL12?
Then when it was re-introduced in NHL13, guess what they featured on the back of the box? Goalie Fights. And they advertised it as "Never seen before!" (Which is technically true since goalie fights never occurred on an 360 or PS3 before).

EA UFC won't be any different.
This is EA's first UFC title so they can easily say that because it's their first attempt at a UFC game they couldn't possibly fit in everything because they had to get so much else stuffed in first.

They'll slowly add features every other year and drag out the process until the PS5 and XB2 are released and then start the whole process over.



This is very true. As a member of a Community Day event, I've heard it personally out of a producers mouth.

Exactly! I have been to Community Events too. I'm a Community Leader and former Fight Night Moderator. I have sent wishlist with detailed information to producers and this is what they said about using the full wishlist?!? They say they are going to use it for future installments. They are not going to add all the good stuff fans want at once. Yes, producers do hold back things on purpose.

[aholbert32]

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Exactly! I have been to Community Events too. I'm a Community Leader and former Fight Night Moderator. I have sent wishlist with detailed information to producers and this is what they said about using the full wishlist?!? They say they are going to use it for future installments. They are not going to add all the good stuff fans want at once. Yes, producers do hold back things on purpose.

Of course producers hold stuff back. Thats not the issue. The issue is why.

Has a producer ever said to you "We want to add this and we had time to add this but we didnt because we want to save this for future games"? I'd guess no. What they likely said was "we want to add this but we dont have the time so we will look at adding this in future versions.

I dont have an issue with that if timing is an issue. I would like to see a Pride mode or Event mode in this year's version. The game likely wont have either because they can only add so many features in a limited amount of time. I'm ok with that.

[Hiro1]

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If true I stand corrected. I'm the type of consumer that will skip a game even if it doesn't have any come compettion in its genre. I've skipped certain maddens and NCAAs before because I didn't like what I viewed either in demo or official previews.

It just seems like a slippery slope to believe EA omits perfectly working features to put in later installments. Then I'd also have to think they intentionally break their game or leave it broken/buggy so that people buy the next version where it is fixed.

I'd much rather believe they lied to you guys (community leaders) about having something they couldn't accomplish. Better to seem like evil EA than below average programming EA.

[Money99]

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If true I stand corrected. I'm the type of consumer that will skip a game even if it doesn't have any come compettion in its genre. I've skipped certain maddens and NCAAs before because I didn't like what I viewed either in demo or official previews.

It just seems like a slippery slope to believe EA omits perfectly working features to put in later installments. Then I'd also have to think they intentionally break their game or leave it broken/buggy so that people buy the next version where it is fixed.

I'd much rather believe they lied to you guys (community leaders) about having something they couldn't accomplish. Better to seem like evil EA than below average programming EA.

I'm with you. I won't buy a new game every year. But I think we're in the minority. Madden's sales totals prove that.

And I don't think it's just EA that does this. I think a lot of companies do.

A former boss of mine was a manager for a software development company.
A major fast-food chain approached him to create an application to run on their POS (point of sale) machines.
They had one of their programmers join the meeting between customer and management.
After the customer provided the specs they were looking for, the programmer went back to his desk and in less than 48-hours he had everything the customer wanted and then some.
The managers then told him to remove a bunch of options, remove a number of graphics and 'dumb it down' to make it look like unfinished.

They demo'd the application to the customer a week later and made it sound like they had been working around the clock for 7 days straight and despite it being nearly functional it still needed more work - making the customer believe the project was difficult and would require heavy funds to complete it.

The customer bought it hook, line and sinker.
They made a great sale that day despite the fact the programmer completed the project in less than 2 working days and even removed a bunch of options.

Then they charged the customer for 'enhancements' (that the developer had created on the first day) and released them every few months to keep the maintenance fee's rolling.

It's dirty-pool, but they all do it.

[SHAKYR]

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Of course producers hold stuff back. Thats not the issue. The issue is why.

Has a producer ever said to you "We want to add this and we had time to add this but we didnt because we want to save this for future games"? I'd guess no. What they likely said was "we want to add this but we dont have the time so we will look at adding this in future versions.

I dont have an issue with that if timing is an issue. I would like to see a Pride mode or Event mode in this year's version. The game likely wont have either because they can only add so many features in a limited amount of time. I'm ok with that.

... They have time for DLC and constantly adjustments after the game has been shipped?!?