2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Ummm just a question...If it was FUN then, why wouldn't having controls back in our hands be FUN NOW? You kind of lost me with that. It's almost as if you're saying since we got older, and 2k has grown as a team, fun should should stay in the past, and boring mini-movies(canimations) thaT WE CANT CANCEL, at anytime is the wave of the future and we should just accept it.



Nah bro...



Why can't we have fun playing 2k? Isnt this what brought, you, myself, and millions of other players across the world together in the first place? The controls of previous 2k Games up until 2k12 were great. They allowed you to play sim, while still FEELING FUN at the same time. I'm all for foot planting and what have you, but dont take away how the game feels. And if you do change the way the game feels, make it better, not worse. if you get burned by someone doing a crossover, just switch defenders....thats what happens in real life...



ASK Samuel Dalembert....he's got andre millers back



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all im saying to you 24th Letter is to see that it might be better to ask 2K to bring controls back in the hands of the user, than to say things are fine as is, and the direction 2k has been going is ok. That's a disservice to everyone on this forum who see's 2K Sports as a forward thinking game company who prides themselves on focusing on what the consumer has to say about their final overall product.

I literally can't follow what your talking about man....there's so many random *** tangents in here you lost me....

Well just agree to disagree...

[reptilexcq]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

I literally can't follow what your talking about man....there's so many random *** tangents in here you lost me....

Well just agree to disagree...

I think i said this long time ago: If 2K ever manage to create a game which give the users total control of the gameplay and somehow still manage to maintain all these animations and simulation factors intact....it will be the best basketball game ever created. But for whatever reason, every year, they can't do it. The game either skewed heavily toward canimation simulation (which defeat the purpose of having the fun factor by lack of user control) or skewed heavily toward non-canimation a la 2k7 (which give user total control of the game resulting in the ultimate fun factor). The game never truly fine the sweet spot needed to satisfy both the sim and the casual general gamer.

[Da_Czar]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

I think i said this long time ago: If 2K ever manage to create a game which give the users total control of the gameplay and somehow still manage to maintain all these animations and simulation factors intact....it will be the best basketball game ever created. But for whatever reason, every year, they can't do it. The game either skewed heavily toward canimation simulation (which defeat the purpose of having the fun factor by lack of user control) or skewed heavily toward non-canimation a la 2k7 (which give user total control of the game resulting in the ultimate fun factor). The game never truly fine the sweet spot needed to satisfy both the sim and the casual general gamer.

My man reptile still repping that 2k7 I See. LOL respect fam you are the definition of consistent.

Love KD especially since he just won the MVP and had that other turrible cover experience.

There is a big difference between realistic stopping on a dime and sprinting full speed and change directions with zero slow down or consequences.

#ComeonSon haha

To clarify I dont think anyone is saying that the current input delays and extra animations are realistic.

What I'm saying is as you make that better do t defy the laws of physics soley to give arcade users more control.

Give them more control in a realistic manner.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

My man reptile still repping that 2k7 I See. LOL respect fam you are the definition of consistent.

Love KD especially since he just won the MVP and had that other turrible cover experience.

There is a big difference between realistic stopping on a dime and sprinting full speed and change directions with zero slow down or consequences.

#ComeonSon haha

To clarify I dont think anyone is saying that the current input delays and extra animations are realistic.

What I'm saying is as you make that better do t defy the laws of physics soley to give arcade users more control.

Give them more control in a realistic manner.

Pretty much this, thanks Czar

[Mrleaderboards]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Da Czar, glad to see you're posting in this thread. Your comments pretty much piggybacked what i was trying to clarify with 24th letter, but i digress. Anyhow, Czar, what do you make of the Cover with KD? Do you believe the art is cryptic or its just a plain ole bunch of courts with KD holding a ball and Lightning striking in the background?

one last thing, Czar, are you, or have you ever been a fan of MyCrew Mode and do you feel that finally this is the year it comes back in its true form being played in arenas unlike this year where it was played in streets with no nba rules?

[VDusen04]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

To clarify, I don't think anyone is saying that the current input delays and extra animations are realistic.

What I'm saying is as you make that better don't defy the laws of physics solely to give arcade users more control.

Give them more control in a realistic manner.

Quoted for truth and an effective use of brevity.

[Jrocc23]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

I think both of you have some valid points and opinions. I don't mean to question anyone's basketball IQ or awareness but crossovers/dribble moves happen all the time. Watch Chris Paul play ball, great example as they are currently in the Playoffs.

I am pretty sure I watch BBall about just as much as you if not, even more. But like you said, no need to get into that.

I've watched Chris Paul and he doesn't do all types of crossovers every possession. Especially since in the NBA, they are mostly running plays. He does some dribble moves a lot, but they are usually basic moves, he doesn't pull out a double hesitation, behind the back moves or anything like that every possession. The only time you start losing a good amount of stamina is when you start trying to "dance" on someone. If you translated the basic types of moves he does in real life to 2K, it only would take away a little of his stamina. So, I believe the stamina when dribbling is fine. It's not like you do a basic move and you're just fatigued.

People online wouldn't be doing those things. They would be doing all types of crossovers/dribble moves every time they touch the ball. They do it now, so just think if 2K changed the stamina and made you not really lose stamina. I believe it's the perfect counter for telling people you can't just dribble around all game.

[Mrleaderboards]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Quoted for truth and an effective use of brevity.

Here's the thing with Opinions, everyone has one....i wont finish the statement
for effective use of brevity.

There is a big difference between realistic stopping on a dime and sprinting full speed and change directions with zero slow down or consequences.

#ComeonSon haha

To clarify I dont think anyone is saying that the current input delays and extra animations are realistic.

What I'm saying is as you make that better do t defy the laws of physics soley to give arcade users more control.

Give them more control in a realistic manner.

anyhow, just because one guy makes a quote, doesnt make it the TRUTH.

The fact of the matter is, to even say that giving control back to arcade users would suggest that 2k releases an arcade basketball game on an annual basis. Which in fact it DOESN't. This is a sport simulation game, so giving control back to the user, would be giving back to ALL USERS. However the USERS Play style is dependent upon them. Not everyone who picks up these sticks plays the same, but everyone should be given the chance to play a product from 2k thats fun to play, and easy to pick up, but hard to master.

The controls and input timing for Current gen(PS4 & Xbox One) are lacking and need to be addressed. If one thing is certain, It's that we can all agree that 2k's Bread and butter has always been their gameplay. Whether you agree or not is up to you, but in the end, fixing what has been a staple of your flagship sports title shouldnt be considered "angling towards the arcade crowd". It should be more like right the ship and get back to what made us #1 in the first place.

thats all im saying.

[VDusen04]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Here's the thing with Opinions, everyone has one....i wont finish the statement
for effective use of brevity.

anyhow, just because one guy makes a quote, doesnt make it the TRUTH.

The fact of the matter is, to even say that giving control back to arcade users would suggest that 2k releases an arcade basketball game on an annual basis. Which in fact it DOESN't. This is a sport simulation game, so giving control back to the user, would be giving back to ALL USERS. However the USERS Play style is dependent upon them. Not everyone who picks up these sticks plays the same, but everyone should be given the chance to play a product from 2k thats fun to play, and easy to pick up, but hard to master.

The controls and input timing for Current gen(PS4 & Xbox One) are lacking and need to be addressed. If one thing is certain, It's that we can all agree that 2k's Bread and butter has always been their gameplay. Whether you agree or not is up to you, but in the end, fixing what has been a staple of your flagship sports title shouldnt be considered "angling towards the arcade crowd". It should be more like right the ship and get back to what made us #1 in the first place.

thats all im saying.

My apologies for the lack of clarity. It should have read:

"Quoted for the fact that I found your statements firmly grounded in truth. Further, I personally found your clear and concise response to be wonderfully effective and easily conveyed, though I admit not everyone may share such sentiments."

[Da_Czar]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Da Czar, glad to see you're posting in this thread. Your comments pretty much piggybacked what i was trying to clarify with 24th letter, but i digress. Anyhow, Czar, what do you make of the Cover with KD? Do you believe the art is cryptic or its just a plain ole bunch of courts with KD holding a ball and Lightning striking in the background?

one last thing, Czar, are you, or have you ever been a fan of MyCrew Mode and do you feel that finally this is the year it comes back in its true form being played in arenas unlike this year where it was played in streets with no nba rules?

I have to tell you that The park has made me a believer that crew would be DOPE if they can do it right on this Gen.

I didn't "get" crew back then but after having some great runs in the park in 3v3 and 2v2... I think crew would be unreal with real arena's and rules and jerseys. I think that would be the future for Competitive E sports as far as hoop goes.

I would even be down with Rucker type tournaments for crew vs crew battles but I know everyone wants Arena's and Jersey's and rules and I do too.

As far as the cover you never know if the Marketing guys are just being creative or if it is a unified plan to be cryptic. I really really hope they bring it back. I know I have talked to everyone who would listen from the President on down as to how important that mode is to the real fans of the game.

But Czar has seen the crew lights fam LOL. I mean it is SOOOO dope when you get a good run in vs other ballers I can't even imagine what 5 vs 5 in real gyms with real rules would feel like. Especially if 2k can (fingers double crossed) finally conquer their online demons.

[Mrleaderboards]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

I am pretty sure I watch BBall about just as much as you if not, even more. But like you said, no need to get into that.

I've watched Chris Paul and he doesn't do all types of crossovers every possession. Especially since in the NBA, they are mostly running plays. He does some dribble moves a lot, but they are usually basic moves, he doesn't pull out a double hesitation, behind the back moves or anything like that every possession. The only time you start losing a good amount of stamina is when you start trying to "dance" on someone. If you translated the basic types of moves he does in real life to 2K, it only would take away a little of his stamina. So, I believe the stamina when dribbling is fine. It's not like you do a basic move and you're just fatigued.

People online wouldn't be doing those things. They would be doing all types of crossovers/dribble moves every time they touch the ball. They do it now, so just think if 2K changed the stamina and made you not really lose stamina. I believe it's the perfect counter for telling people you can't just dribble around all game.

I dont think i really have a problem with the stamina...i think i have a problem with the actual player movement and being able to effectively move around crossover dribble and leave my defender, and the passing more so than anything. Rebounding as well is a problem for me because they have taken away the controls from the user and its more like a mini movie watching as the user has NO CONTROL whatsoever once the ball is in the air. I dont know...i'll just pray that this was the 1st year in next gen and that they are going to vastly improve this year with at least another year under their belt of experience with both new systems.

[Da_Czar]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

Here's the thing with Opinions, everyone has one....i wont finish the statement
for effective use of brevity.



anyhow, just because one guy makes a quote, doesnt make it the TRUTH.

The fact of the matter is, to even say that giving control back to arcade users would suggest that 2k releases an arcade basketball game on an annual basis. Which in fact it DOESN't. This is a sport simulation game, so giving control back to the user, would be giving back to ALL USERS. However the USERS Play style is dependent upon them. Not everyone who picks up these sticks plays the same, but everyone should be given the chance to play a product from 2k thats fun to play, and easy to pick up, but hard to master.

The controls and input timing for Current gen(PS4 & Xbox One) are lacking and need to be addressed. If one thing is certain, It's that we can all agree that 2k's Bread and butter has always been their gameplay. Whether you agree or not is up to you, but in the end, fixing what has been a staple of your flagship sports title shouldnt be considered "angling towards the arcade crowd". It should be more like right the ship and get back to what made us #1 in the first place.

thats all im saying.

Absolutely. I think there is a level just to the left of better control where a dev makes a decision to make a game more responsive vs more realistic.

As an example there was a game that was cancelled where the dev's made the decision to not force a defensive player to bend their legs to jump so that when you challenged a shot it would register immediately.

THAT is where I am against the games going. I don't think 2k was ever there, and I don't want them to confuse my desire for more control( Like we should already have) for me wanting an unrealistic version of basketball simply for instantaneous control.

I think the fact that nobody has really nailed it yet must mean it is very difficult to accomplish.

I fully expect to get dam close this gen between the two competitive products we get to choose from.

[Jrocc23]

2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

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I dont think i really have a problem with the stamina...i think i have a problem with the actual player movement and being able to effectively move around crossover dribble and leave my defender, and the passing more so than anything. Rebounding as well is a problem for me because they have taken away the controls from the user and its more like a mini movie watching as the user has NO CONTROL whatsoever once the ball is in the air. I dont know...i'll just pray that this was the 1st year in next gen and that they are going to vastly improve this year with at least another year under their belt of experience with both new systems.

Like I've said to the other poster, I agree w/ you on the other things especially the crossovers. I don't really like them on 2K13, because it's like I am not even sure what my player will do. With 2K11, I knew exactly the move I was going to pull off.

We just kind of parted ways on the stamina part. I simply feel like it gives us that middle ground saying you can't just iso and crossover all game long without being punished.

Being tired is the most realistic punishment. Rather that than just losing the ball out of bounds or something.

[Mrleaderboards]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

I have to tell you that The park has made me a believer that crew would be DOPE if they can do it right on this Gen.

I didn't "get" crew back then but after having some great runs in the park in 3v3 and 2v2... I think crew would be unreal with real arena's and rules and jerseys. I think that would be the future for Competitive E sports as far as hoop goes.

I would even be down with Rucker type tournaments for crew vs crew battles but I know everyone wants Arena's and Jersey's and rules and I do too.

As far as the cover you never know if the Marketing guys are just being creative or if it is a unified plan to be cryptic. I really really hope they bring it back. I know I have talked to everyone who would listen from the President on down as to how important that mode is to the real fans of the game.

But Czar has seen the crew lights fam LOL. I mean it is SOOOO dope when you get a good run in vs other ballers I can't even imagine what 5 vs 5 in real gyms with real rules would feel like. Especially if 2k can (fingers double crossed) finally conquer their online demons.

HELL EMPHATIC YEAHHH!!! Da CZAR gets it....omg...i thought i was on the minority side of this. Thanks man. That really means alot that someone in your position feels so strongly about crew as much as i do. It's on record that Ronnie 2k, Dev Rob Jones and quite a few others involved with 2kSports are HUUUGE fans of the MyCrew Mode. I just dont get why it would take so long to get this done?

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So what do you think? Has OUR TIME COME FOR CREW MODE to return?

[Taer]

Re: 2K Sports Names Kevin Durant as NBA 2K15 Cover Athlete, Arrives October 7th

It is good to see Mr Durant as the cover of 2k15. He deserves the accolades.

My hope is that essential "sim" elements are brought back from prior years and that is what they mean by: "Your Time has Come".

The D-League as part of the MyCareer experience, the Combine and less story-board story-telling as a vehicle for creating our own NBA story - I don't need dynamic challenges to say I should score 10 more points in a game I already have scored 36 and having a social media challenge of 15 assists when my team desperately is in need of defense is just wrong.

Please allow fast breaks and charges as were experienced in 2k10 and stop trying to complicate the control system into little mini-games to simulate "challenge". Remove the "Flopping" choice - it is something that the NBA itself is trying to limit with fines so why encourage awful arcady playstyles that rely on cheap button mashing in order to try to get your opponent caught in a turnover?

Most of all, please rethink your vc micro-transaction approach. You really excited me by hiring Leftos from our community here. He even went to work on a mode that sorely needed some help, yet the very fact that you entwined vc requirements into even the most basic operations of that mode really betrayed the vision he tried to bring us.

2k15 is the last year I am going to plan to purchase in advance and whatever 2k does will determine if I and the others who purchase games in my extended family will continue to support the company.

If my time has come let us hope that the roots that established 2k as a past favorite were tended because if some really fundamental basics are not focused on it will be my time to move on.

Edit: Bring the PC version into the xbox1/ps4 category of graphics - it is time.