Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

[Madwolf]

I seriously just lost most of my hope for Madden 15. How are they serious with that crap? I love Clowney right now, but Jesus Christ!

[bucs34rules]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

Pretty sure he's only gonna be a 87 speed and 83 strength. Maybe have him at an 84 overall and you have a balanced rookie. After all, MUT makes every rookie look too good for their own kind. :P

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Not like Clowney would be the FIRST defensive lineman in Madden's history to have 90 speed. Every year Madden has one or two. And the NCAA series always had around a dozen. It is just the way EA always done things. If a player is quick, they give them 90 or above speed, regardless of position. I'm surprised they didn't give him 90 Block Shed rating.

[Hooe]

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The ratings for the Ultimate Team ratings players are all juiced. Blake Bortles had something like 95 THA, that's not going to be the case in the retail version of Madden NFL 15.

Clowney ran a 4.5ish so I anticipate he'll have reasonable SPD, in the 80s I'd guess, but the design of these rookie cards is to get the people who play Madden Ultimate Team excited to find them in packs, and ergo spend money.

tl;dr - IMO this isn't a reasonable indication of anything about Madden NFL 15 whatsoever.

[DCEBB2001]

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Clowney will have ratings of the following in the FBG system:


STR: 80
AGI: 71
SPD: 85
ACC: 78
JMP: 86

[azdawgpound]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

The ratings for the Ultimate Team ratings players are all juiced. Blake Bortles had something like 95 THA, that's not going to be the case in the retail version of Madden NFL 15.

Clowney ran a 4.5ish so I anticipate he'll have reasonable SPD, in the 80s I'd guess, but the design of these rookie cards is to get the people who play Madden Ultimate Team excited to find them in packs, and ergo spend money.

tl;dr - IMO this isn't a reasonable indication of anything about Madden NFL 15 whatsoever.

i agree with this plus they said every rookies gonna be a 90+ overall so if they was to give every rookie a 90 overall that would mean this draft class is better then most players in madden now.

[NicVirtue]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

I'll throw in my hat and say the ratings will be absolutely no different at all in any way.

[KBLover]

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I seriously just lost most of my hope for Madden 15. How are they serious with that crap? I love Clowney right now, but Jesus Christ!

What is the SPD : 40-time conversion in the game?

90 is probably too high, but anything below 80 would be bad, imo, unless speed scales like that overall (i.e. the M10 type ratings scale).

Also, if SPD is still the biggest way players get around the field, I'd rather him be a touch too high than too low so he can produce as a pass rusher and express his good pursuit.

Also with DPP/traits - if he doesn't start with High Motor and has lowish consistency to start, then that should express the few knocks on him. I think his BSH might be too high as well (assuming BSH is for run shedding while PMV/FMV is for pass rushing).

Otherwise, that's not too terribly out of whack for an overall talent profile on Clowney. Lower SPD maybe 4-5 points and BSH about the same and I think it's pretty close.

[stooge 1010]

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I could be wrong, but didn't he beat johnny football in the 40 time,and im sure his speed will be way up there.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

What is the SPD : 40-time conversion in the game?

90 is probably too high, but anything below 80 would be bad, imo, unless speed scales like that overall (i.e. the M10 type ratings scale).

Also, if SPD is still the biggest way players get around the field, I'd rather him be a touch too high than too low so he can produce as a pass rusher and express his good pursuit.

Also with DPP/traits - if he doesn't start with High Motor and has lowish consistency to start, then that should express the few knocks on him. I think his BSH might be too high as well (assuming BSH is for run shedding while PMV/FMV is for pass rushing).

Otherwise, that's not too terribly out of whack for an overall talent profile on Clowney. Lower SPD maybe 4-5 points and BSH about the same and I think it's pretty close.

When you look at the mechanics of the game, all players stop accelerating at the 40 yard mark and then continue at a constant velocity until they are tackled or reach the end zone (assuming that STA has no impact). In Madden, the ACC rating really only controls the initial velocity of the player, not how quickly they get up to their top speed. The distance for all players to reach their top speed is the same for all players (40 yards).

So what the SPD rating actually is in the game is the peak velocity of the player. That is to say, the SPD rating is how fast the player will move when the acceleration phase is over and acceleration = 0.

You can actually determine this for all players who ever ran a 40 yard dash and determine their peak velocity during their run at the 40 yard mark. The problem with football players, though, is that they often begin to start decelerating even before the 40 yard mark. For instance, Chris Johnson, who has the highest initial velocity of anyone who ever ran a 40, and thus, the highest ACC rating of anyone who ever ran a 40, actually started to slow down after reaching his peak velocity at the 31 yard mark.

Therefore, Chris Johnson is not the FASTEST player in the NFL, but rather, is the QUICKEST via initial velocity in the NFL. Due to EA's model, that verifies this when you examine how players move in the game and accelerate, CJ2K would actually be maxed out in ACC (99) but would fall somewhere short of that in the SPD category, which represents the peak velocity.

The problem arises in how EA rates their players. The correlation between a players 40 time and SPD rating is around 98%. However, as I pointed out in the previous paragraphs of this post, this is not how EA SHOULD be rating the ACC and SPD attributes. Instead, they should be using the 40 time splits to determine the initial velocity and peak velocity for each player, and then rate the ACC and SPD ratings based upon that. You will find that this is the most accurate way to rate players true-to-life in the video game with their current model.

[XXstormmXX]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

Yeah it's stupid and inaccurate but they give him that speed so he can do his signature swim move backfield tackle easier.

[infemous]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

The ratings for the Ultimate Team ratings players are all juiced. Blake Bortles had something like 95 THA, that's not going to be the case in the retail version of Madden NFL 15.

Clowney ran a 4.5ish so I anticipate he'll have reasonable SPD, in the 80s I'd guess, but the design of these rookie cards is to get the people who play Madden Ultimate Team excited to find them in packs, and ergo spend money.

tl;dr - IMO this isn't a reasonable indication of anything about Madden NFL 15 whatsoever.

although its still likely Madden NFL 15 will be a subpar game with lots of questionable ratings, as par the course.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Ultimate Team has been out for what, 8-9 months now? They have to give the rookies elite ratings, otherwise there is no reason to use them. Anyone still playing MUT at this point probably has a dynamite squad. It's not like they get 3-4 years to build up their stats.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

Ultimate Team has been out for what, 8-9 months now? They have to give the rookies elite ratings, otherwise there is no reason to use them. Anyone still playing MUT at this point probably has a dynamite squad. It's not like they get 3-4 years to build up their stats.

Basically this - these ratings for Clowney and suggestions for other rooks is all for M25 MUT and is in no way an indicator for M15.

In fact, these rookies in MUT15 will be downgraded to silver editions which means their base ratings will become a fraction of what they currently are (from elite ratings to silver ratings).

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[BBallcoach]

Re: Clowney a 90 Speed for Madden

I seriously just lost most of my hope for Madden 15. How are they serious with that crap? I love Clowney right now, but Jesus Christ!

Thats a MUT card... MUT ratings are juiced and the game is more arcade like, it isn't sim at all.