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    Forever A Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 2815

    #31
    Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

    Willard, Thank you so much for the all the hard work you put into these rosters. That thank you is extended to the rest of the team as well. I will be looking forward to starting up my Franchise with this wonderful set.


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    • wisdom less13
      Pro
      • Jun 2005
      • 995

      #32
      Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

      Originally posted by giantsteps
      This is based on projections and on his past performance...his fielding pct isn't exactly elite.
      So fielding is off of his percentage, not his actual fielding skill? The past performance makes sense for Abreu, but he's no elite fielder at age 41.
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      • teeds
        Pro
        • Jun 2003
        • 551

        #33
        Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

        Originally posted by Dienerbird55
        Yankee OF prospect Mason Williams is suppose to Bat Lefty and Throw Righty. Right now in game, it's the other way around. I noticed that from the original OSFM rosters though. Just mentioning in case anyone wants to fix it. Love how these look though! Starting my franchise now!
        This will be fixed. We haven't gone through the entire corrections list yet.

        Originally posted by blahweee
        What is up with arenado's defensive ratings? Sure he may not have a great arm, but scouts and numbers agree since he came into the league he is the second best third baseman behind only Machado.
        I agree. Some defensive ratings will need a looking at. We might have outdated numbers on some of these players.

        Originally posted by Shock1011
        Only questionable rating I have come across is with Puig. His arm strength is in the high 50s. I would think it'd be at least 75+ since Ryan Braun who doesn't exactly have a cannon is at a 71

        Otherwise this roster is unbelievable
        Yes, Puig's arm strength should be higher and definitely higher than Braun's.

        Originally posted by jeschafer_1
        I agree this roster is unbelievable! Willard and co. do you want us to point out corrections that need to be made?? I see that Ike Davis has #34 when it should be #15? Not sure if you guys want to make any corrections or not, and I'm not trying to nitpick just wasn't sure if you guys want to make corrections or not for version 2. Thanks again!
        We'll get the numbers fixed on subsequent versions.

        Originally posted by buczneverlose
        I'll dive into these later tonight when I have control of the television but what I'm hearing is a lot of confusion. Especially considering Puig is the best right fielder in the game, overall and his defensive stats aren't even close to Braun and Braun isn't even close to him defensively. Can you explain this Willard? Maybe cause Puig is so young you are allowing him to grow into it? And that pirates prospect you missed on is critical, he's a part of the future! And arrendo is one of the top 3 defensive third basemen in MLB, his hitting is more of a surprise to the Rockies and was brought up due to his amazing defensive skills. Maybe it's just people on here overreacting it just has me more anxious to check these out! But worst case scenario we have OSFM v2 which is almost perfect and I'll probably do pitch edits myself to that roster and post them if it's ok with Knight
        I guarantee you we'll look at defensive ratings. As I said above, the numbers we have might be outdated. The problem is I don't think any great defensive info exists that we can correlate to game ratings. With that said, most of us know baseball well enough to realize that Braun rated higher than Puig defensively isn't right. As for McGuire, he'll be in there, was just overlooked. We have updated ratings for him.

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        • BEasy20
          Rookie
          • Jul 2013
          • 247

          #34
          Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

          Teeds you think those corrections will be a part of the pitch edits version that is released soon?

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          • blahweee
            Just started!
            • May 2014
            • 9

            #35
            Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

            I will gladly be willing to try and give any objective help I can on defensive re-rates.
            Probably the best defensive metrics to date IMO are UZR and it's sub metrics, which breaks it down to range (probably reaction?), Error rating (probably fielding?), double play rating (??? maybe consider it when doing fielding rating ???), and arm for OF (which measures only effectiveness not accuracy or strength so would have to rely on player reputation there). There are equivalent numbers for catchers on runs prevented by blocking balls, and by throwing out runners. I am sure the roster creators are aware of most, if not all of this, and that there aren't ZiPS or steamer projections for these (that I know of). But there is some good data out there on defensive metrics. I am a complete neophyte when it comes to roster making, but I love baseball, and have loved the realism these rosters bring to the game. If I can help, then let me know.

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            • teeds
              Pro
              • Jun 2003
              • 551

              #36
              Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

              Originally posted by BEasy20
              Teeds you think those corrections will be a part of the pitch edits version that is released soon?
              They absolutely will be.

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              • teeds
                Pro
                • Jun 2003
                • 551

                #37
                Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                Originally posted by blahweee
                I will gladly be willing to try and give any objective help I can on defensive re-rates.
                Probably the best defensive metrics to date IMO are UZR and it's sub metrics, which breaks it down to range (probably reaction?), Error rating (probably fielding?), double play rating (??? maybe consider it when doing fielding rating ???), and arm for OF (which measures only effectiveness not accuracy or strength so would have to rely on player reputation there). There are equivalent numbers for catchers on runs prevented by blocking balls, and by throwing out runners. I am sure the roster creators are aware of most, if not all of this, and that there aren't ZiPS or steamer projections for these (that I know of). But there is some good data out there on defensive metrics. I am a complete neophyte when it comes to roster making, but I love baseball, and have loved the realism these rosters bring to the game. If I can help, then let me know.
                Can you come up with some ratings? We're very much aware of the existing defensive metrics and you're right, there are not ZiPS or steamer projections we can pull from. We just don't have that much time to devote to creating our own defensive ratings. Willard can you fill you in more on what ratings he's been working from.

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                • Scott
                  Your Go-to TV Expert
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 19970

                  #38
                  OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                  Originally posted by teeds
                  Can you come up with some ratings? We're very much aware of the existing defensive metrics and you're right, there are not ZiPS or steamer projections we can pull from. We just don't have that much time to devote to creating our own defensive ratings. Willard can you fill you in more on what ratings he's been working from.

                  I've would just use 2013 fangraphs data

                  Arm Strength
                  Arm Accuracy
                  Reaction=Instinct
                  Catching=Hands


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                  • blahweee
                    Just started!
                    • May 2014
                    • 9

                    #39
                    Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                    Originally posted by Scott
                    I've would just use 2013 fangraphs data

                    Arm Strength
                    Arm Accuracy
                    Reaction=Instinct
                    Catching=Hands


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                    You're referring to the fans scouting report info?

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                    • Scott
                      Your Go-to TV Expert
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 19970

                      #40
                      OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                      Originally posted by blahweee
                      You're referring to the fans scouting report info?

                      Correct. I used that in my rosters last year.

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                      • blahweee
                        Just started!
                        • May 2014
                        • 9

                        #41
                        Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                        Originally posted by Scott
                        Correct. I used that in my rosters last year.

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                        Seems pretty reasonable, they use a 100 point scale too.

                        Could average instincts and 1st step for reaction rating.
                        Average hands and release for fielding, then arm accuracy and strength are there.

                        Rookies would be SOL, but could work with them based on how they compare in available metrics like UZR when looking at the other guys who have scouting report info….though same goes for MiLB players and they don't even have UZR data.

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                        • msmith05
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 309

                          #42
                          Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                          Thank you to all that made this possible

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                          • Redskins_Hokies
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 381

                            #43
                            Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                            So wait why do some players like Bryce Harper, Zimmerman, and Gio not have their actual photos?

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                            • Mattchu12
                              Pro
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 640

                              #44
                              Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                              Originally posted by Redskins_Hokies
                              So wait why do some players like Bryce Harper, Zimmerman, and Gio not have their actual photos?
                              Because they're not on the MLB team. If you move them to MLB, they'll get their pictures back.

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                              • Mattchu12
                                Pro
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 640

                                #45
                                Re: OSFM Hybrid Roster - V1 Release

                                Quick Question:

                                Since the ratings seem to be weighed by position, if I were to change the primary position of a player (example: Peter O'Brien has moved to the outfield from catcher in the Yankeees' organization, probably for good), would that mess up the offensive ratings that you gave him because now he's not at catcher and he'd need different ratings for a different position? Thanks!

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