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  • JODYE
    JB4MVP
    • May 2012
    • 4834

    #106
    Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

    This thread was pretty much doomed from the beginning. However to toss in my two cents about it, because, why the hell not? lol And this may be lengthy, so I apologize in advance.

    Honestly, I don't hate the Heat. Why? Because as a Bulls fan, I can sympathize with the amount of unwarranted attention the team gets. It's sensationalized in 2014 with the non-stop media onslaught we endure today, but it's in the same vein.

    My issues lie with one, the way the team was constructed. Four years later, I've been waaaay over it, but I'm not a fan of the conspiring to form a team and it was heavily publicized that these guys had made this decision 2 years prior when they played together in China. And it makes sense, seeing they all structured their extensions to line up in 2010. I don't like that and to me, that is not how a team should come together IMO. Seems scripted and fabricated. There is nothing organic about the Heat in that sense. That is why I think this Finals is so great, because you have two organizations that couldn't be more different. On one hand, you have the Spurs who built their roster from essentially the ground up, through the draft and picking up role players along the way. Sort of a nod to the old school in that regard. Then on the other hand you have the Heat, that has a roster full of guys that all gathered in one place looking to accomplish the same thing. It works. Whether people like it or not, we need a polarizing team like the Heat to root against. It makes basketball more fun. Hell, it makes this forum more fun. If everyone liked each other, the league would be boring and no one would care. Yeah people get mad, people troll, and things like that, but for most, it's part of our passion for sports and wanting to see the underdog prosper. Just as people rooted against the Bulls for that very reason as well.

    My other issue, and this is mainly a LeBron issue (although applies to a couple other players on their roster as well), is the way he conducts himself on the court. You can be arrogant and cocky. That is fine, because we like our superstar players to be that. But the sense of entitlement he possesses, the constant whining about what seems like every play when there may be contact, and the flopping around like a soccer player, to me is inexcusable as a superstar. As an ambassador of the game and seemingly the face of the NBA, you can't be promoting that type of on-court behavior. However, there is one thing you cannot knock and that is his work ethic and character as a human being. I respect the hell out of his game, and how he has developed himself into a complete basketball player. Now, was The Decision a bad choice? Yes, it was ****ing awful (brilliant from a marketing perspective, but in terms of showing some class to his former team/city/fans, not so much) but that doesn't erase all the good things this man has done in his community. The millions of dollars donated to charity. The countless foundations he supports and the one he has started. The guy genuinely cares about helping people, and that is admirable.

    Everyone has their own reasons for not liking the Heat, but the reality is, the league needs them, or someone like them to root against. When it isn't the Heat, it will be someone else. And at the end of the day we need to remember, it's just basketball.
    Last edited by JODYE; 06-05-2014, 10:34 AM.
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    • The 24th Letter
      ERA
      • Oct 2007
      • 39373

      #107
      Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

      Well put post 13, whether I agree with all of it or not, I can respect your opinion.

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      • NDAlum
        ND
        • Jun 2010
        • 11453

        #108
        Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

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        • stlducks
          MVP
          • Mar 2010
          • 2885

          #109
          Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

          America does not hate the Heat. According to a poll that ESPN did, the Heat are America's favorite NBA team, just passing the Lakers. LeBron is the most popular NBA player that is active, just passed Kobe. However MJ is still number 1 among all athletes.


          Not sure where these polls are posted online, I am listening to Mike and mike currently at work as was surprised when this was announced.
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          • Segagendude
            Banned
            • Aug 2008
            • 7940

            #110
            Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

            To be honest, I cannot explain (nor pinpoint) my hatred of Miami. I didn't mind when the first "big three" formed in Boston, so that's not it.

            I knew James was leaving. Cleveland couldn't get him the help he needed (Shaq!? Really??) so no, that's not it.

            Bosh joining forces? Who cares. Nope..

            But I do hate Miami. I just don't know why. So when they lose (like they did tonight) I smile.

            Ah well. Maybe there's something to this "hating on success". After all, I hated the Patriots, Yankees, Lakers and Bulls during their dynasty runs..........

            Hmmm.........

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            • OhioCub
              Rookie
              • Apr 2014
              • 409

              #111
              My biggest problem with the Heat is that I now view them like I do the Yankees. In other words they bought their championships. As for Lebron, I don't dislike him leaving Cleveland but moreso "The Decision" and the way all his buddies pre-arranged to all go to Miami of all places. If they all wanted to play together why not go somewhere with an already established basketball history of greatness like Boston, the Lakers, Chicago, and even though they've never been great, the Knicks. Instead they chose Miami and South Beach with its stuck up, we're better than you cause we get to sit on the beach all day and not suffer through winters appearance.

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              • Scofield
                Pro
                • May 2014
                • 523

                #112
                Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                Most of these issues arise from people not recognizing that many of their biases and preconceived notions are based on completely arbitrary premises. There's supposedly a "right way" to build teams, a "right way" to win. And sometimes folks just knee jerk to their biases without even trying to test them against the evidence and contrary points of view.

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                • jeremym480
                  Speak it into existence
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 18198

                  #113
                  Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                  Originally posted by Segagendude
                  To be honest, I cannot explain (nor pinpoint) my hatred of Miami. I didn't mind when the first "big three" formed in Boston, so that's not it.
                  Boston's Big Three were acquired through trade (obviously PP was already there). They didn't buddy up with one another to form a team, so the two aren't really comparable.

                  Back to the topic at hand, I didn't really mind "The Decision", so much... Sure it was obnoxious and all, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the "Not 1, not 2, not 3" high school pep rally they had. Looking back on that it was really LOL worthy.

                  I don't really dislike Lebron as much as some. I respect his talent, but the way he followed Dwade around like a little puppy that first year was a little pathetic. Not to mention how he quit on Cleveland in that Boston series. Speaking of that's Dwade, that's my #1 reason for disliking The Heat - him and his dirty antics. The rest of the team isn't really likable to me either. Ray for being a traitor(even though I get it, but still doesn't mean I have to like him), Battier and Birdman for obvious reasons and the rest are meh.

                  I don't get why this is such a big deal though, doesn't most of America dislike the top teams (unless they're "your team")? Didn't we hate the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe? Don't most people hate Alabama, the Patriots, Yankees, Red Sox, etc? This is isn't anything new or special, just par for the course.
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                  • VDusen04
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 13027

                    #114
                    Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                    Originally posted by Scofield
                    Most of these issues arise from people not recognizing that many of their biases and preconceived notions are based on completely arbitrary premises. There's supposedly a "right way" to build teams, a "right way" to win. And sometimes folks just knee jerk to their biases without even trying to test them against the evidence and contrary points of view.
                    I think it could be argued that professional sports team fanhood in general is quite arbitrary in practice. At its core, I like the Pistons because they're based in my region. I liked Ben Wallace because it looked like he gave his all on the basketball court and his afro perfectly complemented his ferocious dunks and monster blocks. Still, it's all kind of arbitrary.

                    Regarding the Heat, I believe it's all arbitrary just as well. Some may like the Heat because they're from Miami. More power to them. Others may like the Heat because they love winning, and they believe winning is all that ever matters, and the Heat are winning, so it's great. Others may find the playing styles of James, Wade, and/or Bosh quite enjoyable, thus preferring them as players, resulting in a favortism toward the Heat.

                    Meanwhile, others may find three Dream Teamers successfully planning to collect in one location in an attempt to overwhelm each and every opponent to a significant degree - thus minimizing or eliminating nearly all competition - to be relatively unsavory, leading one to not favor the Heat.

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                    • brent3419
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 1612

                      #115
                      im gonna be upfront i dont like the heat. part big 3 part media and part some of the fans. with the big 3 i just dont like how they came together. it was fun seeing them complete against each other and i was a big chris bosh fan when he was in toronto. after the decision, i dont get the same enjoyment from basketball with them joining forces, off the court i respect what they do, on the court i just roll my eyes. secondly the media primarily espn. i get soooooo freakin tired of espn shoving the heat down our throats. i mean seriously its just about everyday almost every topic. its like when dallas won the finals it was always how the heat lost and not how dallas won. i remember when cuban was on first take saying they wasnt getting credit for winning and i agreed with him.lastly some of the heat fans is annoying and i mean the ones that joined when lebron came. i mean if you was a fan since wade joined or even when hardaway was there i respect you. but sometimes when im at work or with my cousin, all they say is three-peat. like thats it just threepeat. ive been a spurs fan since i was a kid, even if duncan went to orlando i would stay a spurs fan. thats pretty much why i dislike the heat...well the "big 3"
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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #116
                        Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                        Originally posted by VDusen04
                        I think it could be argued that professional sports team fanhood in general is quite arbitrary in practice. At its core, I like the Pistons because they're based in my region. I liked Ben Wallace because it looked like he gave his all on the basketball court and his afro perfectly complemented his ferocious dunks and monster blocks. Still, it's all kind of arbitrary.

                        Regarding the Heat, I believe it's all arbitrary just as well. Some may like the Heat because they're from Miami. More power to them. Others may like the Heat because they love winning, and they believe winning is all that ever matters, and the Heat are winning, so it's great. Others may find the playing styles of James, Wade, and/or Bosh quite enjoyable, thus preferring them as players, resulting in a favortism toward the Heat.

                        Meanwhile, others may find three Dream Teamers successfully planning to collect in one location in an attempt to overwhelm each and every opponent to a significant degree - thus minimizing or eliminating nearly all competition - to be relatively unsavory, leading one to not favor the Heat.
                        This. I also would like to point out that I and I'm sure many others take issue with how they screwed over a lot of teams, which is why people "outside" of Cleveland are entitled to be upset. Teams spent years making decisions on their franchises based on the idea that they would have a legitimate chance at landing one of the three of them, while they had planned out pretty much the same amount of time that they were going to team up together.

                        The Bulls for example, shipped Kirk Hinrich out of town in order to free up the cap space to have a shot at LeBron or Wade or Bosh. Ben Gordon was let go to keep flexibility for the summer of 2010. The Knicks completely blew up a roster with the hopes of landing LeBron in 2010. A lot of teams made financial decisions when those guys signed short extensions in order to become free agents in 2010. Decisions that made their teams weaker for a chance at them and really, they never had a shot. An argument could be made that they knew that would happen and further **** on the idea of competition by weakening the landscape of the league before getting together to stomp on everyone. I just personally don't like the fact that they did it with the idea in mind that it would be easy. While it ended up being a tougher task than anybody thought, the fact that they were doing it FOR the easiest way possible just doesn't sit right.

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                        • DIESEL
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 1426

                          #117
                          Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                          This. I also would like to point out that I and I'm sure many others take issue with how they screwed over a lot of teams, which is why people "outside" of Cleveland are entitled to be upset. Teams spent years making decisions on their franchises based on the idea that they would have a legitimate chance at landing one of the three of them, while they had planned out pretty much the same amount of time that they were going to team up together.
                          King is 100% right about fans of other teams feeling screwed by the fact that they never really had a shot to sign these guys and I can understand that.

                          My problem is that these same bitter fans will complain about "the way they came together" when the truth is they're more bitter that they didn't come together on their team.
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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #118
                            Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                            This. I also would like to point out that I and I'm sure many others take issue with how they screwed over a lot of teams, which is why people "outside" of Cleveland are entitled to be upset. Teams spent years making decisions on their franchises based on the idea that they would have a legitimate chance at landing one of the three of them, while they had planned out pretty much the same amount of time that they were going to team up together.

                            The Bulls for example, shipped Kirk Hinrich out of town in order to free up the cap space to have a shot at LeBron or Wade or Bosh. Ben Gordon was let go to keep flexibility for the summer of 2010. The Knicks completely blew up a roster with the hopes of landing LeBron in 2010. A lot of teams made financial decisions when those guys signed short extensions in order to become free agents in 2010. Decisions that made their teams weaker for a chance at them and really, they never had a shot. An argument could be made that they knew that would happen and further **** on the idea of competition by weakening the landscape of the league before getting together to stomp on everyone. I just personally don't like the fact that they did it with the idea in mind that it would be easy. While it ended up being a tougher task than anybody thought, the fact that they were doing it FOR the easiest way possible just doesn't sit right.

                            They should know better putting all of their eggs in one basket.

                            It was awful watching teams trade players and not compete just at a chance at either of them with no assurances.

                            I don't hate the Heat or anything myself and never did. They really seem to like eachother and have fun while playing good basketball with eachother...("well besides Mario Chalmers" - Kash)

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                            • VDusen04
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 13027

                              #119
                              Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                              Originally posted by DIESEL
                              My problem is that these same bitter fans will complain about "the way they came together" when the truth is they're more bitter that they didn't come together on their team.
                              With respect, I think that is a bit of an over-generalization. As a Pistons fan, I never thought Detroit had a chance to sign any of those fellers, but I am still not in favor of their Captain Planet maneuver.

                              As a whole, I'm generally not in favor of crazy star team-ups. Even when the Red Wings acquired aged and older hall of famers back in 2001 (sort of like the NHL version of the '04 Lakers) I admit winning the Cup that year felt a little bit emptier and more artificial in nature. The Cup Finals basically felt like Bates Battaglia versus Sergei Fedorov, Steve Yzerman, Nicklas Lidstrom, Luc Robitaille, Brett Hull, and Dominik Hasek.

                              In the Heat's case, at the risk of sounding repetitive, it was the best player of our era - and a top 10 guy of all-time - grouping together with two other Dream Teamers in their prime, eventually surrounded by one of the best shooters of all-time (Ray Allen), one of the best defenders (Shane Battier), and a grab bag of former volume scorers (Rashard Lewis, Mike Miller). I tend to not mind super team-up attempts if their success still seems relatively uncertain. I'm just not sure much of anyone wants the championship decided by three to four hall of famers all getting together prior to the season and opting to group together for the next half decade, guaranteeing nothing short of a runner-up finish for as long as they exist.
                              Last edited by VDusen04; 06-06-2014, 05:28 PM.

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                              • ojandpizza
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #120
                                Re: Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

                                Meh, I never had a problem with how they came together, whether is was planned beforehand or not. Even before LeBron signed on, I had no problem with Bosh leaving to go to Miami. They all played out their contracts and left after they had fulfilled their duties with their prior teams. They didn't demand a trade, pull a Vince in Toronto or Dwight in Orlando. I thought if they were going to leave they went about it the right way.

                                I don't necessarily have a problem with them "joining forces" either. Boston had a big 3, LA had a big 3, San Antonio had a big 3, and now pretty much any team that makes the playoffs (especially the West) have 3 All-Star caliber guys.. They needed all 3 to currently compete and as we've saw over the years it has been far from a cake walk for them, even with all 3.


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