Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

[The 24th Letter]

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It's all within the realm of the conversation...point it understood.

Fact is, we rarely get a public declaration to be traded from a player. We have no direct quotes either way, all we can do is speculate...

The direct quotes we do have don't point to a happy ending or understanding...all I was saying...

[ex carrabba fan]

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Right... so all we can go off of is speculation and fact. Fact is Garnett rode it out in Minnesota for a long time. He rejected the initial trade to Boston. He may not have been on good terms with the Wolves as his time there ended but from my view he did not actively seek out of Minnesota. He almost had to be forced out despite his relationship "souring" with the organization.

[The 24th Letter]

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So you think he went from being so loyal to an organization that he refused to be traded despite their situation, to having nothing nice to say about the organization during his tenure with another team?

We can agree to disagree, just seems like an odd flip, lol

[ex carrabba fan]

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So you think he went from being so loyal to an organization that he refused to be traded despite their situation, to having nothing nice to say about the organization during his tenure with another team?

We can agree to disagree, just seems like an odd flip, lol

There is nothing suggesting he was not loyal and there is evidence he was refusing to be traded.

It's really simple actually, he soured on a situation but never forced his way out nor even really actively sought out to be traded. There is no evidence suggesting that KG was the one asking to be traded. Like I said, it became apparent to both KG and the Wolves that a trade was best for both parties. It wasn't so much KG actively saying "trade me".

There's nothing odd about the situation. Even though he has nothing good to say about the organization, that is a separate discussion than whether or not KG was asking to be traded, which was the initial topic to begin with.

[King_B_Mack]

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Wanting out and asking/demanding out are two different things. Thibs is allegedly unhappy in Chicago and has had his relationship sour with management. Despite the relationship souring, he signed a four year deal to stay in Chicago and if they did trade him, I'm sure he wouldn't have anything positive to say either, but that doesn't mean he asked out of town.

The Boston big 3 and Miami's is not the same, no matter how much we wanna try to make it so


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[The 24th Letter]

Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

They all agreed to play together, therefore it happened, if we want to squabble on differences after that, it's cool. Doesn't make one right or the other wrong.

[King_B_Mack]

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Three past their prime players agreed to play together. Okay, we'll cut all the context of the situation for just the end results. Still not the same thing as three in their prime all-stars conspiring four or five years prior.

Let's not forget that Chris Paul was apart of the pact as well. The plan was four the big 3 to come together in Miami and the Paul would join them when he became a free agent, but that plan went out the window when the rules were changed in the new CBA


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[ojandpizza]

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How would we know if those 4 guys ever had plans to join together?


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[The 24th Letter]

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I can't counter conspiracy theory's.

All I can speak on is what happened...

[King_B_Mack]

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Bosh confirmed it, but whatever. This is an old issue.


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[vtcha]

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I wonder what the reactions will be like if, hypothetically speaking, Melo teams up with the Big 3 this summer...

[VDusen04]

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I wonder what the reactions will be like if, hypothetically speaking, Melo teams up with the Big 3 this summer...

I was trying to stay away from hypotheticals like that but then I think such a notion may help illustrate the issue some folks may have with the original team orchestration.

I was thinking in regards to Kevin Durant. As in, he just completed his seventh year, he's in the heart of his prime, he's been the finals once, and his team recently won 60 games (sound familiar?). Alas, he hasn't been able to cash in on an NBA championship. If he happened to be a free agent this summer, it'd be well within his right to sign with the Miami Heat. Would that be at all objectionable? After all, to follow the familiar logic, he's ringless but he's worked hard, and winning is all that matters so joining the Miami Heat would be the only sensible move to make.

In fact, if one team slowly just became known as a championship factory where great times are had and incredible talent collected, thus leading to a legitimate Dream Team roster in the NBA (not just three real Dream Teamers but, say, eight), and they all agree to take pay cuts because they know they'll make it up in endorsements and otherwise, would that be a problem?

To be entirely clear, both of the above examples are zany (though I kind of thought the idea of James, Wade, and Bosh joining forces was also a little far-fetched prior to its occurrence). But I think it speaks toward the question DIESEL brought up a few pages back: where is the line? And I think it's apparent that for some people, that line has already been crossed. For others, maybe it'd take Carmelo Anthony & Marcin Gortat additions this summer. And maybe more believe there is no line, that players are free to do what they want (which is true) and winning is always winning, no matter the discrepancy in competition.

[Sportsbuck]

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I wonder what the reactions will be like if, hypothetically speaking, Melo teams up with the Big 3 this summer...

It would mean that the new CBA wasn't worth the paper it was written on, for one.

[ojandpizza]

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Durant shouldn't join Miami, he is on a team currently with just as much talent top to bottom.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Three past their prime players agreed to play together. Okay, we'll cut all the context of the situation for just the end results. Still not the same thing as three in their prime all-stars conspiring four or five years prior.

Let's not forget that Chris Paul was apart of the pact as well. The plan was four the big 3 to come together in Miami and the Paul would join them when he became a free agent, but that plan went out the window when the rules were changed in the new CBA


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I thought Paul's plan was to join Melo and Amar'e in NY and form their own Big 3 before the new CBA put a stop to that?

That's when he was at Melo's wedding and made a toast about that.