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  • treq21
    Banned
    • Mar 2005
    • 421

    #76
    The absolute worst thing is the tackling....why does one player make the tackle and the others stand around and watch? That completely kills the immersion for me. It seems like tackling was better 4-5 years ago. What happened to gang tackling????

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    • testudoaubreii
      Rookie
      • Jul 2013
      • 91

      #77
      Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

      I am just going add on to a few posts that I have read and that I have actually posted. Sorry for the redundancy.

      You know what would have been a great announcement? EA: "Hey all of you Madden fans! We would like to let you know that there will no Madden this year. Instead, we will continue to update Madden 25, including roster and technical updates for the next 2-3 years.. Before the boos start, let us just be clear about something. What we are doing is scrapping the code that we have now and building a brand new Madden from the ground up for this new generation of consoles..."

      Ahhh...one can dream.

      This looks like Madden with a pretty hefty facelift. Don't get me wrong, though. The graphics and presentation actually look pretty amazing. However, when the game starts moving is where I see the Madden of the past rear its ugly head.

      To me, the animations still seem herky-jerky, like in the beginning cut scene (coaches and sidelines) and pre and post play. The transition does not seem smooth to me. For instance, when the QB walks from the huddle to the line, it looks great. It is the transition from that point to the line for the play that jerks for a second. In my opinion, animations, locomotion and character interactions are key elements in any game, especially a sports game. Also, I did not see any WR/CB fights or interactions. I don't know how I feel about the little mini QTEs.

      The sidelines seem to be like last year...except the gigantic coach's headset. I would like to see if the camera crews actually pay attention to the game instead of looking the other way. It is also be interesting to see if they will be wearing different clothing, instead of looking like they are all going on a group safari.

      Oh...I would like to see if the post game "interview" with the player of the game is still conducted by a member of the training staff, equipped with their utility belt and tape. And, while on that subject, I would like to see the play and player of the game to be a play and a player that actually made a difference in the game and not some player that made two tackles.

      We will have to see about the crowds. Maybe, they will actually include women and children in the stands this year.

      I don't know...I am going to Gamefly this first this year. I have a feeling it is the same Madden, just prettier. I think that we are pretty much at the WYSIWYG stage of production, with the release date mere months away.

      However, with all of that stated, I will buy it if EA proves what I saw and what I feel is wrong.

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      • Armor and Sword
        The Lama
        • Sep 2010
        • 21548

        #78
        Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

        The game looks very nice. It always does.

        Things though that I want to see


        1. Drastically improved AI (supposedly the defense is going to be a big improvement this year...would love to see that).

        2. Auto Subs working properly

        3. Formation Sub menu ala NCAA Series vs what we have which does not stick week to week

        4. Penalties, penalties, penalties!!!!! Not a word on this yet again. Working Pass Interference, working illegal procedure, working defensive holding.

        5. Even more robust GM capabilities and draft presentation within CFM. I am talking player suspensions, dynamic injuries, dynamic play by play and color within your CFM, restricted free agency, far better GM AI for CPU controlled teams

        6. Replay system that works to a tee. This is huge in todays NFL it should be huge in Madden football.


        I am still playing M25 on the PS3!!! So until all these things are really addressed...I will stick with it and stick with a PS3 console as well for another year minimum.

        I always say...it takes 2-3 dev cycles to get sports games really hitting their stride. M25 was pretty much a port from all accounts. M15 seems like the first true step in the true development cycle. I know AI was tweaked and worked on for M25 for the current gen consoles but I hope the AI takes a bigger leap this year.

        It looks really good as far as animations (still some wonky stuff) and it looks like Madden. I think you know what your getting. I also play on slow and it does make a huge difference in the animations.

        I think online this game will probably shine. But offline I want to see big improvements with things that have not been working for like....forever now.
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        • extremeskins04
          That's top class!
          • Aug 2010
          • 3802

          #79
          Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

          Originally posted by treq21
          Its the same Madden prettied up. Right now I am leaning towards another no buy...that would be 3 years in a row....for a game i used to buy first day every year. sad...but I can't keep playing the same madden year after year.

          This franchise needs a complete overhaul.

          They already did a franchise overhaul. This is it. I doubt we'll see another.



          Originally posted by treq21
          The absolute worst thing is the tackling....why does one player make the tackle and the others stand around and watch? That completely kills the immersion for me. It seems like tackling was better 4-5 years ago. What happened to gang tackling????

          Gang tackling was kind of flawed too. It didn't really work. There was so much suction with all the tacklers that it was painful to watch.

          Like I said, I've considerably lowered my expectations for not just this Madden but for ANY future Maddens. EA just isn't the right company to do this. It doesn't matter how many years they try.

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          • tha_show256
            Rookie
            • Mar 2010
            • 391

            #80
            Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

            First off I must say the game looks GREAT from the graphics and presentation stand point. I can see the difference on this stream, which is a big deal in itself considering the quality of the video...with that being sad, I loathe reading some of the impressions people have with games...Madden and 2k basketball seem to have it the worse. Everyone seems to love to complain about these two games. While in other forums, like MLB the show for example I believe they give that team a pass every year!! It's time for something fresh with that series! Anyway, back on subject, I see a lot of good in this video. Is it the best sports game ever? Is it perfect? Of course not, but what can be said is that it's headed in the right direction. I see a lot of things, that can be improved upon, but we already some of these things (like WR DB interaction) we knew that wasn't touched this year so why even harp on it?

            I'm not too jaded to say that this even best sports simulation around, but I also chose to take a look on the brightside and see that the team is doing everything that they can to go in the right direction...or so it seems to me, I can only hope that the game brings you all as much as you hope...I just hope you all tender your expectations to reality and not some fantasy island. Did I just date myself with fantasy island reference?? Lol
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            • treq21
              Banned
              • Mar 2005
              • 421

              #81
              Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

              Originally posted by tha_show256
              First off I must say the game looks GREAT from the graphics and presentation stand point. I can see the difference on this stream, which is a big deal in itself considering the quality of the video...with that being sad, I loathe reading some of the impressions people have with games...Madden and 2k basketball seem to have it the worse. Everyone seems to love to complain about these two games. While in other forums, like MLB the show for example I believe they give that team a pass every year!! It's time for something fresh with that series! Anyway, back on subject, I see a lot of good in this video. Is it the best sports game ever? Is it perfect? Of course not, but what can be said is that it's headed in the right direction. I see a lot of things, that can be improved upon, but we already some of these things (like WR DB interaction) we knew that wasn't touched this year so why even harp on it?

              I'm not too jaded to say that this even best sports simulation around, but I also chose to take a look on the brightside and see that the team is doing everything that they can to go in the right direction...or so it seems to me, I can only hope that the game brings you all as much as you hope...I just hope you all tender your expectations to reality and not some fantasy island. Did I just date myself with fantasy island reference?? Lol
              The problem is, its been "heading in the right direction" for years, but it never seems to get there. I play a lot of NHL, and the player movement in that is fantastic. No herky jerky animations like in madden. There is terrible legacy stuff in these games that has been there for years, such as the lack of penalties, the bad stat sim engine...i could go on and on.

              If they fixed these things, I think people would give them a pass also. I know I would. but when I see 3 players tracking down a ball carrier, and one makes an attempt at a tackle while the others immediately stop and watch, I cant deal with that. this is basic stuff that should have been fixed years ago. The same goes for the WR/DB interaction. its a huge part of football, and it was done well on that other football game 10 years ago on a completely inferior platform. Why can't they do that now?

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              • wordtobigbird
                MVP
                • Sep 2008
                • 4392

                #82
                Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                Originally posted by treq21
                The problem is, its been "heading in the right direction" for years, but it never seems to get there. I play a lot of NHL, and the player movement in that is fantastic. No herky jerky animations like in madden. There is terrible legacy stuff in these games that has been there for years, such as the lack of penalties, the bad stat sim engine...i could go on and on?
                Honestly, FIFA and NHL give me hope for Madden because if those games can do it so can Madden. Madden seems like they just decided they wanted to last year. FIFA and NHL have been this 100% authentic SIM path for years and years. Last Madden Dev team was obviously on some bullsht.

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                • DeuceDouglas
                  Madden Dev Team
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 4313

                  #83
                  Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                  Can anybody familiar with NCAA explain to me how exactly the "Tempo" stuff works in regards to calling plays.

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                  • allstardad
                    Banned
                    • May 2014
                    • 238

                    #84
                    Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                    I think Madden's biggest issue over the past several years is that it had several different dev teams that it basically kept trying to start over year after year. Add to the fact that we had different dev teams with different ideas and there was never a "foundation" for the game to build off of.

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                    • wordtobigbird
                      MVP
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 4392

                      #85
                      Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                      Originally posted by allstardad
                      I think Madden's biggest issue over the past several years is that it had several different dev teams that it basically kept trying to start over year after year. Add to the fact that we had different dev teams with different ideas and there was never a "foundation" for the game to build off of.
                      Exactly. And now this dev team seems to be the right one but they are still building on a foundation of a bunch of other dev teams. So you can clearly see thew new smoother animations but that means the older ones stand out even more. Hopefully they will cycle them out Alpha and the final version of the game. We can only hope. They always claim to add hundreds of new animations, but they never prove it.

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                      • dat boi Q
                        Pro
                        • May 2009
                        • 612

                        #86
                        Originally posted by charter04
                        Wouldn't it be easy to hard count and draw them offsides? This was against the CPU on pro or rookie.
                        If you watch the video, all you have to do is wait for the white circle around your player to turn white and you can jump the snap every time. But you missed the point of my post.
                        Will jumping the snap automatically get you to the QB. Will a low rated player bowl through double teams just because he timed the snap.
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                        • bxphenom7
                          Pro
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 593

                          #87
                          Looks good, but there's still stuff gameplay-wise that they don't have that was achieved on the PS2/Xbox with NFL 2k5. Still, this could be my first Madden since Madden 08, probably pick it up when it drops in price. If not, I actually feel I can look forward to next year's Madden because this should have been the foundation they should have had early last gen.

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                          • wordtobigbird
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 4392

                            #88
                            Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                            Originally posted by dat boi Q
                            If you watch the video, all you have to do is wait for the white circle around your player to turn white and you can jump the snap every time. But you missed the point of my post.
                            Will jumping the snap automatically get you to the QB. Will a low rated player bowl through double teams just because he timed the snap.
                            Obviously not.. look at the video. Just because it says perfect doesn't mean he instantly won the battle and got the sack.

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                            • LovejoyOTF
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 414

                              #89
                              Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                              Originally posted by DeuceDouglas
                              Can anybody familiar with NCAA explain to me how exactly the "Tempo" stuff works in regards to calling plays.
                              well on ncaa you've got:

                              aggressive - uses less of the play clock and players get set quicker. drains more fatigue.

                              normal - what you're used to

                              conservative - chews the play clock up to around 6-7 seconds (?)

                              it's perfect in those kneel down situations when you get bored sitting there waiting to press A/X on :01 of the play clock.

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                              • DeuceDouglas
                                Madden Dev Team
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 4313

                                #90
                                Re: A Full 15 Minutes of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

                                Originally posted by LovejoyOTF
                                well on ncaa you've got:

                                aggressive - uses less of the play clock and players get set quicker. drains more fatigue.

                                normal - what you're used to

                                conservative - chews the play clock up to around 6-7 seconds (?)

                                it's perfect in those kneel down situations when you get bored sitting there waiting to press A/X on :01 of the play clock.
                                Gotcha. Thanks!

                                Any idea how something like this would work with accelerated clock? If it was set at 13 or 12 seconds, would moving the tempo to aggressive change that or would the accelerated clock negate that function?

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