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  • ggsimmonds
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2009
    • 11235

    #16
    Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

    That video was painful to watch. Was it in fast forward or something? And the cheese...god the cheese. This video is a good example of why the game needed that delay between adjustments.
    This is all well and good but understand at that point you are not playing football, you are playing video games. And I hate video gamers.

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    • carnalnirvana
      Pro
      • Jan 2007
      • 1981

      #17
      Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

      this vid is what madden head to head is all about.

      most of what he said is spot on but the GAMEPLAY in madden enables the cheesing.


      if you cant make realistic animations and spot on movement then let the ratings level the teams.

      there are few backs with great hands, yet in madden i can have a 65 cth HB make 10 catches for 100+yds EVERY GAME...

      if a player wants to run a/same play 50 times to megatron i dont mind that, and if he catches it 30 times i can live with that because i should be blanketing megatron. BUT if the entire team can make megatron type catches then there is no possible defense to cover 5 receivers capable of making 90% of all catch attempts...

      this is why head to head is trash unless its a sim gamer, every player can do everything, realisitcally if you wanted to pass all day you need to get a blocking back in the back field now you change you playbook.

      and a short passing game should get physically punished by hits after the catch but since every wr has kung fu grip they never fumble and never seen to get scared of soft up after multiple crushing hits.


      the game does not have fundamental counters to strategies cheese or otherwise...
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      • juduking
        Rookie
        • Apr 2010
        • 196

        #18
        Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

        How can he have the audacity to claim he is teaching how to be "better" at Madden by calling 15 audibles per play and dropping back 10 plus yards each play? Can someone clarify for me what I am missing?
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        • dat boi Q
          Pro
          • May 2009
          • 611

          #19
          No need to knock the guy for playing the game the way madden is suppose and meant to be played. When most of the gamechangers and guys that madden get feedback from play like this what kind of game do you expect madden to be. Now I didn't expect OS to post a video like this but maybe the tide is shifting here.
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          • Cableguyiiixii
            Rookie
            • Jun 2014
            • 11

            #20
            "Work on your reads..." You're so focused on your glitchy motioned slot receiver that you miss your wide open wide out every play.

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            • Jr.
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              • Feb 2003
              • 19171

              #21
              Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

              Originally posted by juduking
              How can he have the audacity to claim he is teaching how to be "better" at Madden by calling 15 audibles per play and dropping back 10 plus yards each play? Can someone clarify for me what I am missing?
              That's just it. He's showing how to play Madden well, not football.
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              • carnalnirvana
                Pro
                • Jan 2007
                • 1981

                #22
                Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                Originally posted by dat boi Q
                No need to knock the guy for playing the game the way madden is suppose and meant to be played. When most of the gamechangers and guys that madden get feedback from play like this what kind of game do you expect madden to be. Now I didn't expect OS to post a video like this but maybe the tide is shifting here.



                if you dont play like this you can never get close enough to EA to give feedback.

                but you are right this is how madden must be played online to win most games. thats why i play unranked when they had it..
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                • The JareBear
                  Be Good To One Another
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 11560

                  #23
                  Dat boi nailed it.

                  This is Madden Football. The guy is just doing what all the youtube/tourney/Skillz guys do every year. It's not his fault, this the product EA gives us. It's not about playing realistically it's about winning, finding every "best play" in every "best formation."

                  Lets be honest, they picked Gamechangers who are "Madden Pros" and tournament/head to head champs. Those guys get youtube hits. We aren't playing football, unfortunately, we are playing Madden. I fear it will always be like this. The "popular crowd" always wins.

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                  • jyoung
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 11132

                    #24
                    Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                    One of the best features that people rarely mention when they bring up 2K's football games was the limit they had for just one offensive hot route per snap. The defense, however, could make unlimited pre-play adjustments.

                    That system helped to make games like 2K8 and 2K5 much more balanced, instead of the unstoppable offensive highlight reel that Madden games have become.
                    Last edited by jyoung; 06-22-2014, 02:27 PM.

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                    • dat boi Q
                      Pro
                      • May 2009
                      • 611

                      #25
                      Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                      Lol. If us sim guys tried to play him with a realistic style he would thrash us. I NEVER play online. I had one madden 25 on ps4 since day one and I played one game for 1 quarter and quit because I ran into a guy that played like he does. EA can say they want a sim game but if 9 out of 10 guys they bring in as gamechangers are tourney and exploiters that tells me what kind of game we are getting before it comes out. And the only reason the few sim guys are still gamechangers are because they won't admit or say anything bad about EA. Now all we hear is the game is moving in the right direction or wait next year.
                      First it was three year plans now it's phase 1-3. All we have to look forward to are sliders,options,and other sim players to get by playing this game.
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                      • Jerros
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 118

                        #26
                        Originally posted by dat boi Q
                        Lol. If us sim guys tried to play him with a realistic style he would thrash us. I NEVER play online. I had one madden 25 on ps4 since day one and I played one game for 1 quarter and quit because I ran into a guy that played like he does. EA can say they want a sim game but if 9 out of 10 guys they bring in as gamechangers are tourney and exploiters that tells me what kind of game we are getting before it comes out. And the only reason the few sim guys are still gamechangers are because they won't admit or say anything bad about EA. Now all we hear is the game is moving in the right direction or wait next year.
                        First it was three year plans now it's phase 1-3. All we have to look forward to are sliders,options,and other sim players to get by playing this game.
                        Couldn't have said it better man. Madden was built for cheesers. I laugh every time someone tries to say Madden is working to be a Sim. If by sim they mean it's like watching the sims play football then they might be right.

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                        • underdog13
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 3222

                          #27
                          I hope there are not more 'guest post' like this, this was terrible.
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                          • ggsimmonds
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 11235

                            #28
                            Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                            Originally posted by jyoung
                            One of the best features that people rarely mention when they bring up 2K's football games was the limit they had for just one offensive hot route per snap. The defense, however, could make unlimited pre-play adjustments.

                            That system helped to make games like 2K8 and 2K5 much more balanced, instead of the unstoppable offensive highlight reel that Madden games have become.
                            But I don't like that as a solution either. That is a limitation on the user that is not realistic.
                            Add a delay and make crowd noise a factor on the road. If, and I am aware of how unlikely this is, but if they ever add playbook knowledge from HC to Madden then that opens up the possibility of miscommunication and adjustments gone wrong.

                            But this does remind me of the silly house rule I started using which has now become second nature. I play my games while sitting on a dining room chair (eyes are too bad for the couch). When I go to make an adjustment I lean forward in a way that (I think) mimics QBs. Think Peyton leaning forward to bark an order to the line. After I make my adjustment I go back to a straight posture and take a breath as if looking over the field. When I am ready to snap I slightly lean forward again to mimic the ready for the snap posture. Ridiculous? Yes, but that little presentation I do helps to make adjustments a bit more realistic. In case you are wondering, I draw the line at shouting out Omaha. I'm not that far gone.

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                            • Big FN Deal
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 5993

                              #29
                              Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                              Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                              But I don't like that as a solution either. That is a limitation on the user that is not realistic.
                              Add a delay and make crowd noise a factor on the road. If, and I am aware of how unlikely this is, but if they ever add playbook knowledge from HC to Madden then that opens up the possibility of miscommunication and adjustments gone wrong.

                              But this does remind me of the silly house rule I started using which has now become second nature. I play my games while sitting on a dining room chair (eyes are too bad for the couch). When I go to make an adjustment I lean forward in a way that (I think) mimics QBs. Think Peyton leaning forward to bark an order to the line. After I make my adjustment I go back to a straight posture and take a breath as if looking over the field. When I am ready to snap I slightly lean forward again to mimic the ready for the snap posture. Ridiculous? Yes, but that little presentation I do helps to make adjustments a bit more realistic. In case you are wondering, I draw the line at shouting out Omaha. I'm not that far gone.
                              Not to cherry pick the bold but C'mon man, User limitation should be used to achieve realism, in certain context. I refuse to type out much because it won't matter one bit, so I'll keep my point simple. There's a whole host of things that are missing in relation to making audibles realistic in Madden so providing an OPTION to limit preplay adjustments like that other game did would be a good move. Any limitation in Madden that is placed there to prevent exploiting the game in an unrealistic way I generally would count as a realistic limitation.

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                              • ggsimmonds
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 11235

                                #30
                                Re: Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

                                Originally posted by Big FN Deal
                                Not to cherry pick the bold but C'mon man, User limitation should be used to achieve realism, in certain context. I refuse to type out much because it won't matter one bit, so I'll keep my point simple. There's a whole host of things that are missing in relation to making audibles realistic in Madden so providing an OPTION to limit preplay adjustments like that other game did would be a good move. Any limitation in Madden that is placed there to prevent exploiting the game in an unrealistic way I generally would count as a realistic limitation.
                                I understand where you are coming from, but I prefer the time restriction.

                                However, it also would depend on what adjustments are limited. Say I come out and read a overload blitz coming from the weakside. Say I shift protection and hot route a slant. Then I hot route my RB to a block and release. Or just block, whatever. Nothing wrong with those moves right? Well under the other game I could not do that.

                                That is why I prefer that each time you make an adjustment the QB goes into an animation during which you cannot snap the ball. In effect it would be a 2 or 3 second delay between adjustments.

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