Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Why do you keep saying this? Just because you believe it doesn't make it a fact! We have factual information. Look at the quotes and links provided earlier. It's a FACT, regardless of what you believe, that the last three year plan started with Madden 12!

Cam wasnt even there for most of Madden 12, FACT

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/04/the-future-of-madden.aspx

[FBall Life]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Cam wasnt even there for most of Madden 12, FACT

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featur...of-madden.aspx

And yet HE stated HIMSELF that 12 was the first year of the three year plan! HE SAID IT! Why can't you accept that?

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

And the one before that started in 09 and the one before that started in 06.

That's why I don't put much credence to these 3 yr plan crappola's.

Whenever a new regime comes in, a new and improved 3 yr plan is mapped out.

It's all marketing.

I don't judge 3 yr plans, I take it year by year.

PS- Also, Cam Weber came in the middle of 12. Heck, the ideas were already hatched out and the game was already in Beta by then.

I don't really consider 12 Cam Weber's vision of Madden.

I don't really consider the 3 year plans of the past legit. Where was the follow through, what did they build off of? Every year back then Madden felt different and never seemed to go anywhere. Regardless of how you look at it, only now are we seeing the game progress and build off of each title. 13 was the first year Cam was around, but I believe his plan was something that was only possible on next gen consoles. So for 25 to be the first year they started to implement his plan, makes perfect sense. 15 clearly is building off of 25 and 16 will build off of 15. 25 built off of 13, but that doesn't mean they implemented the things that were part of cam's plan then. Going back to Cam's first interview after he was hired, he talked about improving pre and post play animations, 15 is the first time we're really seeing that happen, he also talked about O/D line interactions, 25 was the first year for that. WR/DB interactions are also part of his plan, as are improved player movement animations.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

And yet HE stated HIMSELF that 12 was the first year of the three year plan! HE SAID IT! Why can't you accept that?

No


Some of the work on Madden NFL 13 started before development of Madden 12, and yet that content didn't appear in that game. Was Madden NFL 12 hamstrung?

I don't know. I came in late in the year last year. We formed a new leadership team and a new business unit, and spent last February, March, April, and May forming a new long-term strategy and where we need to go and what technology we need to build. At that time, we really didn't want to disturb the teams in development and blow things up. They were at the end of the cycle at that point and taking the game to the finish.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

No


Some of the work on Madden NFL 13 started before development of Madden 12, and yet that content didn't appear in that game. Was Madden NFL 12 hamstrung?

I don't know. I came in late in the year last year. We formed a new leadership team and a new business unit, and spent last February, March, April, and May forming a new long-term strategy and where we need to go and what technology we need to build. At that time, we really didn't want to disturb the teams in development and blow things up. They were at the end of the cycle at that point and taking the game to the finish.

Hold up, wait a minute, so according to this, M13 was Cams first full year, so if I can count that still would make M15 the 3rd game under him. M13, M25 and M15, so what am I missing?

[SamuraiX]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Hold up, wait a minute, so according to this, M13 was Cams first full year, so if I can count that still would make M15 the 3rd game under him. M13, M25 and M15, so what am I missing?

Blind faith

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Hold up, wait a minute, so according to this, M13 was Cams first full year, so if I can count that still would make M15 the 3rd game under him. M13, M25 and M15, so what am I missing?

Exactly why this 3 year plan talk is bull****.

[The_Balm]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

I don't really consider the 3 year plans of the past legit. Where was the follow through, what did they build off of? Every year back then Madden felt different and never seemed to go anywhere. Regardless of how you look at it, only now are we seeing the game progress and build off of each title. 13 was the first year Cam was around, but I believe his plan was something that was only possible on next gen consoles. So for 25 to be the first year they started to implement his plan, makes perfect sense. 15 clearly is building off of 25 and 16 will build off of 15. 25 built off of 13, but that doesn't mean they implemented the things that were part of cam's plan then. Going back to Cam's first interview after he was hired, he talked about improving pre and post play animations, 15 is the first time we're really seeing that happen, he also talked about O/D line interactions, 25 was the first year for that. WR/DB interactions are also part of his plan, as are improved player movement animations.

Then why should we believe this plan/team is any different!? Going by what you said, if M25 was the first year of the plan, how do we know they're sticking with it? This plan/team has a one year track record, how can you call it legit!?

If all you need is one decent year why aren't you calling M10 and M12's plans legit? They where higher points of the past decade (especially M10 IMO).

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Exactly why this 3 year plan talk is bull****.

I always think of that quote "the best laid plans of mice and men" whenever this 3 year plan stuff is mentioned about Madden. What's even more telling about how much of a different animal Madden apparently is than other sports games, I think EA's NHL and FIFA had similar plans but they actually worked out, if I'm not mistaken.

Also to be clear, I don't mean this as a slight towards Mr Weber or any of the team working on Madden because I would rather have these guys working on the game then people who clearly couldn't care less. Just pointing out that apparently 3 year plans aren't enough time to complete any team's vision for Madden, for whatever reason.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

What's even more telling about how much of a different animal Madden apparently is than other sports games, I think EA's NHL and FIFA had similar plans but they actually worked out, if I'm not mistaken.

Those games also aren't developed by Tiburon, lol. Them dudes stink and have always stunk. They got exposed by NFL Gameday on PS1, and later exposed continuously by VC. The only reason Madden on PS2 was any good was because it was built on a solid base. They saw what 2k did on the dreamcast. They had to make a splash with PS2 since their bosses shunned the dreamcast. They knew they had to impress. Once 2k started to focus more on realism and authenticity they knew it was a wrap so they zeroed in on that license.

We've seen how bad these dudes are, and how bad their bosses don't care about making them any better at making this game. Madden is a lock now. They will keep chugging along making their bread and we're all along for the ride.

[Ovie832]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

What do people get out of defending madden? Out of defending absolute mediocrity?

EA and Tiburon have no excuse for this pathetic effort at a 'SIM' football game. It isn't sim.. and never will be. I'm sick of the sugar coating. It is is an arcade game targeted at casual football fans.

The engine is broken and severely outdated. Same animations.. same jerky movement. Even the overall 'aura' of the game has felt the same for years. We are two years into a new generation and it looks the same. And yeah yeah.. Graphics look good. but even they don't scream NEXT GEN.

look at all the animations.. just horrible. scripted and cheesy.
They are pushing the presentation really hard... but every video i watch.. same intro.. same player movements pre game.. no variety. They just don't get it

[TjJunior]

what happened to the signature throwing motions?. Its like they have been slowly phased out since 12. Although I am seeing that default throwing motion from Madden 06 on 360 alot. The one where the QB index and pinky fingers are extended. Seems like they would want to phase that out seeing how its about a decade old. Im gonna stick with APF again this year, hopefully they change the animations overall for this game before the rapture.

[MajorSupreme]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

No


Some of the work on Madden NFL 13 started before development of Madden 12, and yet that content didn't appear in that game. Was Madden NFL 12 hamstrung?

I don't know. I came in late in the year last year. We formed a new leadership team and a new business unit, and spent last February, March, April, and May forming a new long-term strategy and where we need to go and what technology we need to build. At that time, we really didn't want to disturb the teams in development and blow things up. They were at the end of the cycle at that point and taking the game to the finish.

Dude, everything you say is like a contradiction. I'm not sure what you're trying to do or say, but man you have me, and I'm sure others, completely lost. I'm gonna try and summarize what you've been saying: "wait till next year, it'll be better. THREE YEARS. Not the other three years from 12 to 25, no the three years of 25 to 16." Which is it, man?

[FaceMask]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Exactly why this 3 year plan talk is bull****.

Which 3-year plan? The first? Second? Or third one?

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

Regardless, Cam stated HIMSELF that 12 was the first year of a three year plan. So that's that.

Sure, he did, because he is the "new" leader.

What would you expect him to say coming in based on the past two leaderships that came in before him?

We don't have a three year plan? We don't have a vision?

What did the Bucks new owners come in and say?

We have a 3 to 5 year plan to get to the championship. Will they? Don't know.

They've had a lousy 25 year history as well.

My main point was/is, as Sage colorfully said better than I will/have, it's all a marketing statement to ease the consumers of a transition taking place.(ie, the article linked even has Pasta stating the same thing) Also, it doesn't matter what year that plan was laid out based on past history.

Just like the new Bucks owners want to put more fans back in the seats.