Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

**jpdavis82** · 07-04-2014, 12:51 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by MajorSupreme

What, exactly, have the game changers done for us? And I noticed you haven't replied to an of kehlis' post regarding your "blind optimism." Whenever someone tries to say a negative, you throw out the same excuses. "Phase one" "See this here, that means in two years..."

And then you try play Benedict Arnold and say "I want the same you guys want," but you won't address the issues and march around like you played the game thirty times over. Come on man.

I play the game all the time, have since 92. Why do I have to voice the same negative stuff when y'all do it everyday for me? I voice my criticism to the devs directly, follow me on twitter if you think I'm lying. I see the glass half full but I know what's missing, some of it, has never been done before that I want to see, so I don't bring up previous football games. I am wanting something much greater.

**Big FN Deal** · 07-04-2014, 01:25 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

It's the real NFL football footage like strawberryshortcake posted that really gets me frustrated because it makes me wonder what the heck is Tiburon looking at to simulate football. One of the reasons it's hard not to mention other football video games and sports sims in general concerning Madden, is because the best ones are considered the best because they seem to at least visually mimic their real life counterparts. I remember starting a thread one year asking if Madden devs are basing the game on real football and another on if they actually play Madden, none of which were to be a smart arse but it honestly doesn't seem like it sometimes.

@JP Davis, out of curiosity, why do you want to be an EAGC? I hope it's not because you believe you can change the game. I don't mean that as a slight either, it's just that plenty of "sim" minded, good intention people have been and are still going down to Tiburon, yet the game still is what it is. It took me awhile to realize this but if Tiburon needs gamers to help them simulate football, then there is no fixing Madden. The only thing gamers should be helping with is UI stuff, options, customization, etc and maybe some level of input on priority of fixes but they certainly shouldn't be influencing realism.

With all your optimism about this "new" team, how do you account for what they say they're going to do in comparison to the lack of polish and depth to the things they've already done?

**jmurphy31** · 07-04-2014, 01:34 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

These threads are great.

Some random thoughts.

1. If you like Madden you're probably going to keep liking it based on what I've seen. If you're on the fence I think the minor improvements will lead you to liking it. If you don't like madden, probably not going to like 15.

2. I understand EA loves saying the word phase or 3 year plan, but has any thing they implemented ever got passed phase 2. (Pro tack, extra point, etc). I know it's new leadership but it's a company problem. Plus developers usually don't stick around that long.

3. Until the demo and even more so the actual game comes out we won't know for sure how it feels to play. Then from that point forward see my first point. Some will be singing it's praises and others will cursing ea out.

4. I do wish the people making this game had the passion the posters on here have.

5. Madden is like any thing that you have for a while and doesn't change much. You start to notice the things wrong with it more than the good. It's like all the impression threads on here. At first everyone loves it. Then the bugs start showing up, then the minor things add up.

As I said in an earlier post I think the presentation is getting better, but still has a long way to go. I really hope they build on it rather than leaving it status quo and then updating it in 2 years.

**Big FN Deal** · 07-04-2014, 01:47 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

@jmurphy31, good post man, you make some good points and I'm trying to find a way to just get over this stuff and move on. It's easier said than done though when you have been playing football video games as a vice, as long as I have.

It's just at this point, some of us have been around long enough to get that feeling Tiburon is taking us for a ride. It's like a native of a major city catching a cab versus a tourist or new resident, the native can tell when the cabbie is taking the long way to increase the fare. The issue here is a "cab" is the only way we can ever get to where we want to go and Tiburon is the only cab company, lol.

**jmurphy31** · 07-04-2014, 02:13 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by Big FN Deal

@jmurphy31, good post man, you make some good points and I'm trying to find a way to just get over this stuff and move on. It's easier said than done though when you have been playing football video games as a vice, as long as I have.

It's just at this point, some of us have been around long enough to get that feeling Tiburon is taking us for a ride. It's like a native of a major city catching a cab versus a tourist or new resident, the native can tell when the cabbie is taking the long way to increase the fare. The issue here is a "cab" is the only way we can ever get to where we want to go and Tiburon is the only cab company, lol.

Thanks. I understand people's issues with madden. The way I look at it I am more disappointed than mad on how Madden has failed to improve over the years. I still play 25 and I enjoy it most of the time. Some things bother me but there is no other choice. (For example I was playing the other night. The CPU kicks a fg and it was no good. But some how they got the ball back and it was first down. ) These issues upset me more than animation issues.

I think part of my disappointment lies in the fact I'm on here. Some of the stuff I notice now I would never even look for before. Another reason is my age. When I was in ms, hs, and college I played season upon season and I didn't care if I put my WR at TE and ran the same TE streak over and over again. Now that I'm 35 I want the chess game of football more than the stick skills type game which madden is. Finally my disappointment is I would think 20 years later we would be a lot better when it comes to football gaming.

**jpdavis82** · 07-04-2014, 04:11 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jmurphy31

These threads are great.

Some random thoughts.

1. If you like Madden you're probably going to keep liking it based on what I've seen. If you're on the fence I think the minor improvements will lead you to liking it. If you don't like madden, probably not going to like 15.

2. I understand EA loves saying the word phase or 3 year plan, but has any thing they implemented ever got passed phase 2. (Pro tack, extra point, etc). I know it's new leadership but it's a company problem. Plus developers usually don't stick around that long.

3. Until the demo and even more so the actual game comes out we won't know for sure how it feels to play. Then from that point forward see my first point. Some will be singing it's praises and others will cursing ea out.

4. I do wish the people making this game had the passion the posters on here have.

5. Madden is like any thing that you have for a while and doesn't change much. You start to notice the things wrong with it more than the good. It's like all the impression threads on here. At first everyone loves it. Then the bugs start showing up, then the minor things add up.

As I said in an earlier post I think the presentation is getting better, but still has a long way to go. I really hope they build on it rather than leaving it status quo and then updating it in 2 years.

1. I completely agree and posted something very similar to this last week.
2. There never was a Pro Tak or Extra Point 2. There has been a IE 2 and this year they are saying Player Sense 2.0, I guess we won't know until next year if there's a phase 3 of these features but the things they worked on last year have been improved upon this year.
3. Same as 1
4. I know Clint Rex and Cam are very passionate about making this game, Clint is as passionate as anyone on here, every time I talk to him he talks about how excited he is about the product they are making and every day are trying to eliminate legacy issues and exploits. He literally spends several days at a time trying to eliminate exploits and money plays.

5. I believe starting with Madden 15 people will stop feeling this way, that feeling is about to be a thing of the past, mark my words.

**jpdavis82** · 07-04-2014, 04:16 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by strawberryshortcake

It's a double edge sword. The community wants fresh information, but if the presented doesn't meet expectations, torches and pitch forks are ready to come out.

It just kind of hit me now ... ... Broken promises leaves a bad taste ... Team Madden should probably keep quiet on 3 year plans until they have actually completed year 3 of the feature, and are fully working at 100%. Don't mention anything about true step, living worlds, more catch animation, passing inaccuracies, halftime shows, better run blocking schemes, better coverage, better awareness, organic multiple meaningful consecutive hit tackles, working penalties, a working challenge system, variable dynamic presentation, proper replay angles, etc. etc. etc.

Let the game speak for itself.

If a product is great, it'll speak for itself. Don't need to hold the gamers' hand and tell him or her what's great about it. Let the game speak for itself.

Pushing an idea still straddled in phase 1 or 2 will only stir up negative connotations. Telling us that X is in the game but is poorly implemented because it's still in infancy and "we're still working on it" leaves a very bad taste. Blow the gamer away when true step actually affects all 22 players. Blow the gamer away when a real legitimate immersive pre halftime and post game show is complete and follows a real broadcast. Blow us away when WR/DB interactions are golden. Blow us away when signature animation are captured properly. Blow us away when there are multiple styles at various positions. Blow us away when animations are fluid, organic and realistic.

Let the game speak for itself. Let the game blow us away when everything represents football and represents everything we see on network TV, NOT EA Madden football, NOT EA Madden TV. Just football and all it's glory.

The gamer shouldn't have to pick up a controller and "feel" the difference. It should be visually apparent immediately. Do we question if football is football when watching the NCAA and NFL football on our HDTV every week?

Here's a short 30 second NFL football clip. Do we need to see the entire game to know that it's football? Entire game footage should not make a difference. Side note: That replay angle is terrible by the way.

<iframe src="//www.youtube.com/embed/_oOEWwBiZHs" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

The only problem with this theory is that no other football game can you watch 30 secs and get that football is football feel either. Every football game to date isn't even close to real football, lets call a spade a spade.

**SageInfinite** · 07-04-2014, 04:32 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

The only problem with this theory is that no other football game can you watch 30 secs and get that football is football feel either. Every football game to date isn't even close to real football, lets call a spade a spade.

These look like football though. They resemble what I feel like football should look like on a console.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MIxS7O6Zgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pqN7bvsOjA

This ain't there yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l45HImx7sLI

**kehlis** · 07-04-2014, 04:35 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

The only problem with this theory is that no other football game can you watch 30 secs and get that football is football feel either. Every football game to date isn't even close to real football, lets call a spade a spade.

I really, really want to get on your side, but you have to stop saying things like this.

You really need to understand the difference between optimism and blatant inaccuracies.

**jpdavis82** · 07-04-2014, 04:35 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by SageInfinite

These look like football though. They resemble what I feel like football should look like on a console.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MIxS7O6Zgw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pqN7bvsOjA

This ain't there yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l45HImx7sLI

We'll have to compare Madden 15 on BC cam when it releases, we already know presentation in M15 is much better.

**jpdavis82** · 07-04-2014, 04:40 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by kehlis

I really, really want to get on your side, but you have to stop saying things like this.

You really need to understand the difference between optimism and blatant inaccuracies.

I have an opinion and you have yours, I've never liked the way players run in 2k football games. They run pretty much the same way in APF, I guess that's how most feel about Madden run animations. It's subjective, that's why I think this animations stuff is secondary, the O line/ D line play in Madden is as good as I've seen in a football game, they just have to work on the WR/ DB play and remove the other legacy issues to have an awesome game. They will add new animations every year and the game will keep improving IMO.

**SageInfinite** · 07-04-2014, 04:42 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

We'll have to compare Madden 15 on BC cam when it releases, we already know presentation in M15 is much better.

The fact that this is even debatable is pathetic when this game is 7 years older and on older hardware only 2 years into its generation. Also we don't know because we haven't seen the final product. Still from what I've seen, it's debatable.

**kehlis** · 07-04-2014, 04:43 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

We'll have to compare Madden 15 on BC cam when it releases, we already know presentation in M15 is much better.

Josh, did you watch those clips at all?

Presentation had nothing to do with his point.

It's great and all and it certainly looks much improved for 15 but that is the last thing that people want fixed. Just actually watch those clips without the EA colored glasses on, everything about them is fantastic and is how a football game should PLAY.

Notice I said play instead of LOOK.

**Kramer5150** · 07-04-2014, 04:45 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

I believe starting with Madden 15 people will stop feeling this way, that feeling is about to be a thing of the past, mark my words.

Oh really now...this is the exact same thing you said about...

1-Madden 13
2-Madden 25
3-Madden 25 on next gen...

NOW it's Madden 15?

...yea,ok.

**kehlis** · 07-04-2014, 04:48 PM

Re: Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

Originally posted by jpdavis82

I have an opinion and you have yours

I agree, I find it amusing though that earlier in this thread your referred to our opinion as amusing to you.

So I guess a difference in opinion is okay when it benefits you but when it doesn't it's simply amusing???

Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (Smitty)

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