FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[Big FN Deal]

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I don't post about your ratings much anymore because it just frustrates me that Tiburon doesn't do something similar but as usual great discussion Dan. I can't believe how adamant that poster was about your ratings being wrong and them seeming like they think you owe them an explanation, lol. Maybe they misunderstood the thread title and somehow thought your ratings are being used in Madden by Tiburon, if I could only be so lucky.

Anyway man, just happened to stumble in here and read the last few pages, good job keeping it classy Dan, keep up the good work.

[DCEBB2001]

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I don't post about your ratings much anymore because it just frustrates me that Tiburon doesn't do something similar but as usual great discussion Dan. I can't believe how adamant that poster was about your ratings being wrong and them seeming like they think you owe them an explanation, lol. Maybe they misunderstood the thread title and somehow thought your ratings are being used in Madden by Tiburon, if I could only be so lucky.

Anyway man, just happened to stumble in here and read the last few pages, good job keeping it classy Dan, keep up the good work.

Thank you, Sir! I will continue to do my best.

[Yubbed]

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I don't care about the overall ratings if they play like they should then I'm happy. Unfortunately I have to do all the roster manually no internet sucks haha. I do play with the teams I have done so far on play now have to say I'm pleased!! Very well done job!


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[DCEBB2001]

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I don't care about the overall ratings if they play like they should then I'm happy. Unfortunately I have to do all the roster manually no internet sucks haha. I do play with the teams I have done so far on play now have to say I'm pleased!! Very well done job!


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Thank you. Should have another update done within the next week with updated player movement, ratings, etc.

[Knelltone]

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Scouting and film of a player is probably 80-90% of a teams data for drafting...and the remaining 10 or so % is combine measurables. By FBGP ratings, everything is based on the past if I understand the explanation...which is a terrible representation of the current player. Lesean McCoy was a highlight reel almost every game. His cut backs/vision while the play was broken was remarkable, but Ray Rice is more agile/faster/quicker...but he couldn't get out of his own way last year.

1. I doubt they will change, especially since I'm the only one that thinks they are broken. It's obvious they are broken

2. How can the players play as they should when they are over or under rated? I've given multiple examples and nobody can give a good explanation.

3. Because the ratings are so incredible wrong that it bothers me that nobody has issue...

Perhaps I can elaborate more on the lesean mccoy vs. ray rice stat comparison. Firstly, just because lesean mccoy was awesome to watch last year doesn't mean he is the more agile of the 2 runners. Every single NFL run is a culmination of situational factors and player skill. That is to say, if a running back never gets past the line of scrimmage, you may never see him go full speed or perform some of his most ankle breaking cuts. Also, If the offensive line can't open holes the running back will have a hard time showcasing his talent. Also, keep in mind injury has an effect on player skill. Statistically, ray rice was horrible last year, but if you watched his games he hardly ever made it into the open field. This can be explained by injury and offensive line troubles.

Lesean mccoy on the other hand is often gifted with nice, wide running lanes. Whether this is because of blocking/cohesion(all the eagles starting line went injury free last year)offensive scheme, or desean jackson pushing safeties back is unimportant; suffice it to say, lesean mccoy had a fair few opportunities to break ankles.

Now if you look at ray rice version 2012, there are many more opportunities to see how he cuts in open space. In my amateuristic opinion, ray rice is just as(if not more) gifted at yuking opposing defenders 1 on 1. He definitely isn't as flashy as mccoy, but his change of direction is just as potent.

What you need to realize is that stats are not completely representative of a players skill and ability. It is a team sport, and the eagles were a much better offense last year, resulting in lesean mccoy appearing to be the better running back(they are at least similar based upon ray rice version 2012). Similar to peyton manning making every wide receiver he's ever played with look like a HOF-er, a great team can make an individual have better stats than he would have without them(not saying mccoy isn't good).

The goal of a perfect player rating is to numerically describe his talent, not rate his production/ popularity.

[DCEBB2001]

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Perhaps I can elaborate more on the lesean mccoy vs. ray rice stat comparison. Firstly, just because lesean mccoy was awesome to watch last year doesn't mean he is the more agile of the 2 runners. Every single NFL run is a culmination of situational factors and player skill. That is to say, if a running back never gets past the line of scrimmage, you may never see him go full speed or perform some of his most ankle breaking cuts. Also, If the offensive line can't open holes the running back will have a hard time showcasing his talent. Also, keep in mind injury has an effect on player skill. Statistically, ray rice was horrible last year, but if you watched his games he hardly ever made it into the open field. This can be explained by injury and offensive line troubles.

Lesean mccoy on the other hand is often gifted with nice, wide running lanes. Whether this is because of blocking/cohesion(all the eagles starting line went injury free last year)offensive scheme, or desean jackson pushing safeties back is unimportant; suffice it to say, lesean mccoy had a fair few opportunities to break ankles.

Now if you look at ray rice version 2012, there are many more opportunities to see how he cuts in open space. In my amateuristic opinion, ray rice is just as(if not more) gifted at yuking opposing defenders 1 on 1. He definitely isn't as flashy as mccoy, but his change of direction is just as potent.

What you need to realize is that stats are not completely representative of a players skill and ability. It is a team sport, and the eagles were a much better offense last year, resulting in lesean mccoy appearing to be the better running back(they are at least similar based upon ray rice version 2012). Similar to peyton manning making every wide receiver he's ever played with look like a HOF-er, a great team can make an individual have better stats than he would have without them(not saying mccoy isn't good).

The goal of a perfect player rating is to numerically describe his talent, not rate his production/ popularity.

One of the best posts I have read in this topic. Very well said. This is exactly what I am aiming for. Millions of factors lead to production, but a trait like agility, "is what it is".

[dk6663]

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Where can I download this roster ??

[HC0023]

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Where can I download this roster ??

Unfortunately you cant download it from the site .Believe me i am waiting for it on PS4 LOL

[dk6663]

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How is it being done ?

[HC0023]

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How is it being done ?

You can input the rosters in manually if you own a PS4 I believe charter has them on XBOX1

[DCEBB2001]

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You can input the rosters in manually if you own a PS4 I believe charter has them on XBOX1

If I had a team of roster creators/editors, I could offer them for download. However, it takes so much time to properly edit the database, that I personally don't have time to do both.

[HC0023]

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If I had a team of roster creators/editors, I could offer them for download. However, it takes so much time to properly edit the database, that I personally don't have time to do both.

Well to make madden better for all us football maniacs out there in the words of rockys manage in the rocky movies Mickey WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR LETS DO THIS

[Chris Hitchens]

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probably just a publicity stunt.

[DCEBB2001]

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probably just a publicity stunt.

How do you figure that?

[Hooe]

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I've taken up the task of building a roster file with the ratings from the website on PS4 (charter04 is doing the same for XBOX One). I've played a couple games, and I've been writing up some detailed impressions to DCEBB as I play the games to give him some feedback.

Going forward, I'm going to cross-post those impressions as to my experiences with the FBGratings player re-rates on an individual game basis here. All my games played will be Play Now games against the CPU, 10 minute quarters with accelerated clock run-off to 15 seconds; slider changes will only be made as deemed necessary. I'll be adding to this thread shortly impressions of my first two games with these ratings.

Given that I'm on a PS4, I'll also see about broadcasting to Twitch going forward to let others watch the games I'm playing to get a glimpse for themselves as to what I'm seeing. Unfortunately, I did not do this for the first two games I played.

EDIT: just to preface my impressions - the game I'm playing is still Madden, and player interactions in the game still are bound by the rules defined by Tiburon; i.e. OL/DL pass blocking interactions are still very much win/loss affairs, the re-rates won't add LBs defending assigned gaps if that logic doesn't already exist in the game, etc. Rather, what the re-rates are attempting to accomplish is get player behavior within Tiburon's system producing more realistic results, under FBGratings' premise that consistently assigning all the players' ratings based on empirical data will yield a better-playing game that the media-influenced ratings Tiburon provides.