Frustration mounts over coaching carousel

[thedudescrew]

Any one get frustrated with the coaching carousel? I went 12-2 with the Washington State Cougars just to have my head coach leave and then on top of that i am not even considered for the new head coach vacancy? Bah! This will be the second dynasty that i have been stuck with a new head coach that is hands down worse then my OC David Yost. I couldn't leave my job. I just landed some awesome pocket passing QBs and good WRs. Hopefully this new coach doesn't mess with my mojo on offense.

Anyone else have this issue?

[Peacefrog]

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The AI teams don't give preference towards promoting coaches from within the program. If they don't hire another team's head coach, and opt to hire a coordinator, they'll pool all coordinators and offer to the best one. Statistically, someone must have put up better than you.

Your best bet, honestly, is to take a HC job at a school in a non-AQ conference (CUSA, Sun Belt, etc), get a few winning seasons and bowl wins under your belt and hope WSU is looking for a new head coach soon.

[thedudescrew]

Re: Frustration mounts over coaching carousel

The AI teams don't give preference towards promoting coaches from within the program. If they don't hire another team's head coach, and opt to hire a coordinator, they'll pool all coordinators and offer to the best one. Statistically, someone must have put up better than you.

Your best bet, honestly, is to take a HC job at a school in a non-AQ conference (CUSA, Sun Belt, etc), get a few winning seasons and bowl wins under your belt and hope WSU is looking for a new head coach soon.

See i would be okay with this if it's what happened, but truth be told the Utah State Ex HC Wells got the job after going 6-7 with 2 years as a head coach and a level 4.

[GamerDad48]

Re: Frustration mounts over coaching carousel

The AI teams don't give preference towards promoting coaches from within the program. If they don't hire another team's head coach, and opt to hire a coordinator, they'll pool all coordinators and offer to the best one. Statistically, someone must have put up better than you.

Your best bet, honestly, is to take a HC job at a school in a non-AQ conference (CUSA, Sun Belt, etc), get a few winning seasons and bowl wins under your belt and hope WSU is looking for a new head coach soon.

I will have to say that i have seen an OC on occasion get promoted to HC of the same school. I am in beginning of yr 2019 so in the previous yrs i think it might have happended once or twice during each coaching carousel go round. But like you mentioned OCs don't get that lucky to get promoted to HC of their current team.

[Skulletor]

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I will have to say that i have seen an OC on occasion get promoted to HC of the same school. I am in beginning of yr 2019 so in the previous yrs i think it might have happended once or twice during each coaching carousel go round. But like you mentioned OCs don't get that lucky to get promoted to HC of their current team.

it happens more when a coach leaves the team to take another job than when he is fired

[Peacefrog]

Re: Frustration mounts over coaching carousel

I will have to say that i have seen an OC on occasion get promoted to HC of the same school. I am in beginning of yr 2019 so in the previous yrs i think it might have happended once or twice during each coaching carousel go round. But like you mentioned OCs don't get that lucky to get promoted to HC of their current team.

The coordinators from that school are also in the pool of coordinators they're looking to hire from, so it makes sense that they're occasionally the one that the team picks. My point was that they're not given "hometown" preference, nor do they consider the coordinators' familiarity with the program. In other words, teams don't go out of their way to hire from within the program, but they don't exclude their own team's coordinators either.

[jello1717]

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The coordinators from that school are also in the pool of coordinators they're looking to hire from, so it makes sense that they're occasionally the one that the team picks. My point was that they're not given "hometown" preference, nor do they consider the coordinators' familiarity with the program. In other words, teams don't go out of their way to hire from within the program, but they don't exclude their own team's coordinators either.

Smaller programs (1*, 2*) who can't hire big name coaches do a pretty good job of promoting their coordinators. Larger schools will usually find another HC to fill the position, which I think is pretty realistic (in my 20+ years of my dynasty I've seen bunches of bunches or coordinators get promoted to HC of smaller schools when their HC gets hired somewhere more prestigious. IE. in real life if Nick Saban were to leave, Bama certainly wouldn't sign one of their coordinators, but they'd find another high profile HC for the job.

[thedudescrew]

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I get what you guys are saying. It was just frustrating because Mike Leech has a great playbook and the team was set up for the Air Raid after my recruiting, then we get a terrible HC who is running the spread. I don't like the spread and didn't like the disadvantages that this new HC has. Terrible at recruiting and one of my recruits transferred to Kansas because Leech went there. I could have left but I liked the recruits i got. Plus i hate leaving a school after one season.

[JustAnotherGamer]

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I get what you guys are saying. It was just frustrating because Mike Leech has a great playbook and the team was set up for the Air Raid after my recruiting, then we get a terrible HC who is running the spread. I don't like the spread and didn't like the disadvantages that this new HC has. Terrible at recruiting and one of my recruits transferred to Kansas because Leech went there. I could have left but I liked the recruits i got. Plus i hate leaving a school after one season.

If you want to cheat a little - making your OC/DC an alma mater of the school will make it more likely they will get offered the HC job before other candidates.

[thedudescrew]

Re: Frustration mounts over coaching carousel

If you want to cheat a little - making your OC/DC an alma mater of the school will make it more likely they will get offered the HC job before other candidates.

That's a good idea. I like that. I will try that if it happens again

[Robo COP]

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If you want to cheat a little - making your OC/DC an alma mater of the school will make it more likely they will get offered the HC job before other candidates.

Yea I noticed that a lot of the "in house" promotions are of coordinators whose alma mater is the school

In my dynasty I was OC of Idaho and Paul Petrino left to go to Maryland. Interestingly Bobby Petrino (his father) came and took the HC job after leaving Arkansas State. Although it isn't his true alma mater (he went to some small college) I believe Bobby's alma mater was set as Idaho in my dynasty, which is why they ended up hiring him over me

[thedudescrew]

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Yea I noticed that a lot of the "in house" promotions are of coordinators whose alma mater is the school

In my dynasty I was OC of Idaho and Paul Petrino left to go to Maryland. Interestingly Bobby Petrino (his father) came and took the HC job after leaving Arkansas State. Although it isn't his true alma mater (he went to some small college) I believe Bobby's alma mater was set as Idaho in my dynasty, which is why they ended up hiring him over me

At least they hired a good proven head coach.

[jello1717]

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If you want to cheat a little - making your OC/DC an alma mater of the school will make it more likely they will get offered the HC job before other candidates.

That's a good idea. I like that. I will try that if it happens again

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[Son of Sam99]

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It is definitely easier to get a higher level HC job after being a HC at a lower school. I was OC @ La Tech, OC @ Bama, HC @ Troy, (offered HC @ La Tech but stayed w/ Troy), HC @ Arkansas.

The reasoning I put to it is that schools want guys with head coaching experience.

[Robo COP]

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At least they hired a good proven head coach.

True, which is why I didn't mind that much. Although he was at Ark St for like 3 years and while he was still putting up winning seasons each year I don't think they ever won the conference.

But of course his past accomplishments are much greater. Idaho probably also considered the fact that it's freaking Idaho and there's no way he finds an attractive secretary in those parts so they don't have to worry about the off field issues