Madden NFL 15 Video & Blog - War In The Trenches 2.0

[hanzsomehanz]

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Im done w the sales talk: its either right or left and up to EA to field.

About that pocket fire: imagine the user gettig in their in 2s or less and multiply that jump start outcome by 3,4,5,6 because that is the potenial it holds if the CPU used this same mehanic and we called engage eights.

I see folks already moaning and groaning about the effect of one and am left to wonder the outcome when the spoil want that coutcome of one to the power of 4,5,6? :o

I understand the need for tackles to flank and entrench but we do not see this perfect discipline play out on every play in the pros either but we do see it sometimes in Madden.

Likewise, players fatigue and some just plain lack motivation to go hard on every down and get that *** in motion and get those feet shuffelled and hips swiveling so when they are beat: they are beat - no 2nd effort given.

If only every coach could get the perfect discipline out of all 22 starters but yet it seems that is what we clamor for: the same stars and moon that the marketers point to and we know they will not deliver on those aims.

There are many miniaturized gains we can look forward to before a full out, full fledged, The Art of Football Fundamentals, football video game is delivered to us.

It really tickles my tentacles that sometimes we put so much onus on Madden to develop a videgame that plays so unrealistically real that the players animate and perform more perfectly disciplined than the pros themselves do.

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[TTD71]

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It really tickles my tentacles that sometimes we put so much onus on Madden to develop a videogame that plays so unrealistically real that the players animate and perform more perfectly disciplined than the pros themselves do.

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I think most people are looking at this slightly different, though I could be wrong about that. Personally, I don't want perfection at all - I want imperfections, randomness and unpredictability that is in some way statistically tied to the ratings.

I would love to see players perform crazy moves and great tackles and pancake blocks and diving blocks to save a QB's backside....but I don't want to see them ALL the time.

The thing that makes Madden get stales so fast is the lack of these variable outcomes in the trenches. Its either A- total win for Offense and the Defense is stonewalled or B - total win for the Defense and the Offense falls down or simply does nothing.

The ratings for awareness, stamina and overall should figure into the probability of certain outcomes AND animations by now...a rookie with low awareness should miss blocks more, or be out of position or just get beat more frequently than an All-Pro veteran. An undisciplined doofus like an Alex Barron-type mess (great measurables, HORRIBLE OT though...) should get nailed for illegal motions and holding more frequently...player ratings and abilities are a fraction of the realism that is possible though.

Maybe that's off the wall and too realistic, but that could be adjusted with separate game modes - Freestyle/Arcade and Simulation/Realistic. It will never happen from EA, but it could if they wanted it to...

[Illustrator76]

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2) At what point will Player Sense be fleshed out enough so blockers show awareness of being beat? Maybe it's because there aren't any good "beat" animations for blockers but the fact that as soon as a blocker is beat, they just instantly keep looking ahead/heading forward, with no awareness of a defender just got by them, really stands out, in a bad way.

To this point. I do like the new moves for/attention on pass rushers and the general direction EA is trying to go in here, but why are these big, strong, 300+ lb Offensive Linemen just being thrown to the ground like little kids half the time when they get beat? It's not realistic and it looks downright silly. Most of the time when the O-Lineman ends up on the ground it's because he gets beat, and then (to Big FN Deal's point), he realizes it and tries to make a last gasp reach/attempt to trip/hold/do anything to keep the pass rusher from killing the QB. I don't see anything like that at all in any of those Madden videos, as all the O-Linemen do when they get beat is helplessly stumble foreword like a drunk, or just get flat tossed to the ground like a rag-doll. Neither of which looks the least bit realistic.

Again, I like that we (finally) got some attention focused on beefing up the pass rush, but EA really needs to flesh this out some more and add more realistic animations to BOTH sides of the ball (e.g. OL and DL/pass rusher) before we get things looking and feeling more fluid and realistic.

[Darth Aegis]

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I know right. It's about 100 guys coming here complaining everyday about this game. They already know what kind of game there are getting from EA.
DONT BUY IT.
So simple but it won't happen. It doesn't matter if it matters to EA. Your hard earned money should matter to you.

Really this again? the phrase DONT BUY IT. I love football and football games so me not buying it is not going to happen. And if I didn't buy it it wouldn't matter since 4 million other people are buying it. So to say speak with your wallet makes no sense when there is no other brand to buy from. Make sense? EA didn't smash the competition they bought the rights to take out the competition. That's usually how it works you don't like Brand A you speak with your wallet and buy from brand B. If EA is so confident in there product year in and year out open it up to everyone. Competition moves the needle and without it we are left with the past 10 yrs of madden.

[hanzsomehanz]

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I think most people are looking at this slightly different, though I could be wrong about that. Personally, I don't want perfection at all - I want imperfections, randomness and unpredictability that is in some way statistically tied to the ratings.

TTD, I can get on with this campaign and that is ultimately what to spatially look for in terms of weighing the fundamental gains.

A stiff arm from Gore that knocks a DRC on his butt and another that recoils into the RB's chest due to the force and size of the LB pursuing him (Patrick Willis on Lamar Millar).

Ratings that invite more range for error and ineffectiveness will also invite a new bridge of outcomes.

As Rex alluded to: We were not seeing a richer range of animations due to how effectively accurate QBs were by default - couple that w tethered passing and DB backpedal momentum being exaggerated and we expereience the side effects of a sweet tooth in the passing game.

It would be amazing to see offensive tackles have their backpedal momentum delay their response on certain cuts like DBs do. It would be nice to see that as a start so we can see DEs and Rush Backers attempt jukes and generic shimmy dances.

I am not blind to the fact that EA does serve us too many junk sweets over nutritional substance which later create early signs of cavity and decay in the said components of gameplay: some bitter-fruit (lemon) can be a good compliment to the sugarcane.

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[BA2929]

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Coming from a guy who hasn't played Madden in 5 years (me), this looks pretty good. I'm a big defensive guy and in years past in Madden and NCAA (which I spent most of my time on) defense seemed like an afterthought. Glad to see they're putting some time and effort into at least attempting to make it more fun.

[RandyBass]

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Based on what this video shows, they still need to branch it out, so that there isn't always an obvious win or loss by the lineman. They need a lot more animations. Most line battles don't result in such a clear advantage, and they certainly don't result in one lineman getting tossed to the side or pancaked with such frequency.

Combine this with all the rest of the goofiness in Madden and it looks too cartoonish. Yeah, I guess it's kind of cool that you can steer linemen now, but these line battles need a lot more work like pretty much everything else in the game.

[countryboy]

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Glad to see they improved OL/DL interactions. Like what I am seeing.

Looking forward to August and getting some hands on time with the game.

[Jr.]

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I finally watched the video and heard something really funny/ridiculous; Rex stating this was the first edition in Madden franchise history with the player lock/defensive cam.

That's just not true at all.

[The_Balm]

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I finally watched the video and heard something really funny/ridiculous; Rex stating this was the first edition in Madden franchise history with the player lock/defensive cam.

That's just not true at all.

Really? It must have been from before I started playing Madden, what year(s) had it?

[mestevo]

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This camera is unique, looks like jumping is gone, can move from defensive player to player, and it flows to each as it adjusts. I'm sure many will take the name of it and imply they just re added a feature, but that's obviously not the case.

What we've seen of the new defensive camera looks outstanding so far.

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[Jr.]

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Really? It must have been from before I started playing Madden, what year(s) had it?

It was 4-5 years ago.. Madden '08 or '09 I believe. It was a part of the Superstar mode. This "defensive camera" is the same exact camera as that mode used. It's the same camera as the defensive lock camera from NCAA.

This camera is unique, looks like jumping is gone, can move from defensive player to player, and it flows to each as it adjusts. I'm sure many will take the name of it and imply they just re added a feature, but that's obviously not the case.

What we've seen of the new defensive camera looks outstanding so far.

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The ability to switch players with it is definitely new. But the actual view has been a part of NCAA for years and was in Madden before. Of that, I am 100% positive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely excited it's in and I will use it exclusively while playing defense. I just thought it was comical that Rex said it was the first time in Madden franchise history that this camera has been available.

EDIT: Here we go.. Madden '07 had the Superstar Cam: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/mad.../1100-6154796/

[Skyboxer]

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It is the first that doesn't require the superstar or whatever you want to call it "mode".
This is something we've been asking for it since that time especially after NCAA got it. Glad it's finally in.
Now August needs to get here.

[Hooe]

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I could have done without being reminded of how hideous Madden 07 looked.

That said I'm looking forward to playing Madden with the new defensive perspective.

[Skyboxer]

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I could have done without being reminded of how hideous Madden 07 looked.

That said I'm looking forward to playing Madden with the new defensive perspective.

Same here (on both counts lol ).