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utahman19 · 07-12-2014, 11:46 AM

The problem that I see with this mode as described is the translation error of real life concepts to Madden.

Madden is such a poor representation of even some of the most basic football fundamentals that it could end up confusing people as what they see in Madden and in the trainer is not reflected in real life.

For example, a smash route against Cover 2 zone. It works almost all the time in Madden because the corners play their zone regardless of what is going on around them. In real life, however, if there is not a receiver threatening the corner's zone, he will drop back to take away a smash route, something that doesn't happen in Madden.

Other things such as defenders forcing plays, setting the edge, true pass rush containment, zone blocking, combo blocks, blitz pickup, trap blocking... even a quarterback going through receiver progressions is not represented well in Madden. How can you teach things that aren't represented in the game?

Even something as simple as an out route is poorly represented in Madden, because of the way the passing game is coded. In real life, it would go something like this: "This is an out route. It is run at multiple depths. The receiver needs attempt to sell a deep route before making his break, which needs to be sharp and quick. The quarterback needs to throw the ball when the receiver starts his break, and needs to throw the ball toward the sideline ahead of the receiver. If the throw is late, or if the ball is not thrown ahead of the receiver, the quarterback needs to be ready to make a tackle because it will be an interception. The receiver needs to turn his head and locate the football as soon as he starts his break, with his hands ready to catch the ball. A well timed and run out route is extremely difficult to defend." Etc. In Madden it's like this: "This is an out. It is a 5-yard route, unless it is a deep out, which is more like 12. Receiver, don't worry about a good route, as the defender will beat you to your spot because he knows what you're running. Quarterback, you have to wait and throw the ball after the receiver completes his break or else you will throw a streak route, or maybe a seam, or maybe a comeback; who knows where the ball will go. You can try to lead the receiver, but it doesn't make a big difference. Corners jump the out all the time, it is not a difficult route to defend. And don't try to run an out-and-up double move, because the corners read that every time now matter how often you run the out."

07-12-2014, 11:46 AM	#43
utahman19 Rookie OVR: 4 Join Date: Jul 2006	Re: Madden NFL 15 Gauntlet Mode Teaches You How to Play Football, Get Better at Madde The problem that I see with this mode as described is the translation error of real life concepts to Madden. Madden is such a poor representation of even some of the most basic football fundamentals that it could end up confusing people as what they see in Madden and in the trainer is not reflected in real life. For example, a smash route against Cover 2 zone. It works almost all the time in Madden because the corners play their zone regardless of what is going on around them. In real life, however, if there is not a receiver threatening the corner's zone, he will drop back to take away a smash route, something that doesn't happen in Madden. Other things such as defenders forcing plays, setting the edge, true pass rush containment, zone blocking, combo blocks, blitz pickup, trap blocking... even a quarterback going through receiver progressions is not represented well in Madden. How can you teach things that aren't represented in the game? Even something as simple as an out route is poorly represented in Madden, because of the way the passing game is coded. In real life, it would go something like this: "This is an out route. It is run at multiple depths. The receiver needs attempt to sell a deep route before making his break, which needs to be sharp and quick. The quarterback needs to throw the ball when the receiver starts his break, and needs to throw the ball toward the sideline ahead of the receiver. If the throw is late, or if the ball is not thrown ahead of the receiver, the quarterback needs to be ready to make a tackle because it will be an interception. The receiver needs to turn his head and locate the football as soon as he starts his break, with his hands ready to catch the ball. A well timed and run out route is extremely difficult to defend." Etc. In Madden it's like this: "This is an out. It is a 5-yard route, unless it is a deep out, which is more like 12. Receiver, don't worry about a good route, as the defender will beat you to your spot because he knows what you're running. Quarterback, you have to wait and throw the ball after the receiver completes his break or else you will throw a streak route, or maybe a seam, or maybe a comeback; who knows where the ball will go. You can try to lead the receiver, but it doesn't make a big difference. Corners jump the out all the time, it is not a difficult route to defend. And don't try to run an out-and-up double move, because the corners read that every time now matter how often you run the out."