NHL 15 Video and Screenshots - Next-Gen Hockey Player

[giantsharks]

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actually when Kane scores around the 1:04 mark in the first sizzle trailer with the overlay of commentary from Doc, the puck does come back out of the net pretty quick after. on a good goal. When you go out of your way to hate every year however I can understand how the little details could be missed.

The puck actually doesn't come out at all, just bounces around the net which actually looks pretty good for that backhand goal. The goal in the newest trailer with ovi you can see the puck fluttering straight down instead of out. I know you hate people nitpicking and seem to defend ea on every front but cmon, what do you expect when all they've show us is fluff, touting extremely authentic this and every detail that and there are extremely simple things that are just wrong. Fact is we haven't seen enough of anything yet so those simple mistakes are glaring, looks good but ea does this every year and the game has been stale for like four years if not more.

[SpectralThundr]

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The puck actually doesn't come out at all, just bounces around the net which actually looks pretty good for that backhand goal. The goal in the newest trailer with ovi you can see the puck fluttering straight down instead of out. I know you hate people nitpicking and seem to defend ea on every front but cmon, what do you expect when all they've show us is fluff, touting extremely authentic this and every detail that and there are extremely simple things that are just wrong. Fact is we haven't seen enough of anything yet so those simple mistakes are glaring, looks good but ea does this every year and the game has been stale for like four years if not more.

I dunno it looked like it came out to me but I only watched it again once. Again, I get some of the complaints, especially in regards to AI and actual gameplay. But when it devolves into "well the fabric on the numbers should be different it's not authentic being all one surface" Or "it's too dark in the upper bowl" when it's obviously done that way to keep a solid frame rate. That I start just eye rolling and thinking wow, how entitled as gamers have we truly become?

There are people though, and meep is a prime example that every year around this time, it's one bitch post after another and then you don't hear from them at all for 10 months til the next version is about to come out. At some point it's like obvious agenda is obvious. I get it, EA's done some scummy things over the years and continues to do scummy things. But they actually seem to have a team in the NHL team that at least TRIES to put out a good product with the obviously smaller budget they have compared to a Madden or an NBA2k.

I'd like to think they would at least get a few breaks here and there rather than a constant stream of hate every year, if people realistically looked at the hardware specs of the last gen machines and applied that logic to why the series somewhat stagnated, its very easy to see why.

At the end of the day I enjoy playing the game even with it's warts, it still to me is the best hockey product in video game form. NHL2k3 is about the one single game that could still give it a run imo. Other than that? it's not even close.

[giantsharks]

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I dunno it looked like it came out to me but I only watched it again once. Again, I get some of the complaints, especially in regards to AI and actual gameplay. But when it devolves into "well the fabric on the numbers should be different it's not authentic being all one surface" Or "it's too dark in the upper bowl" when it's obviously done that way to keep a solid frame rate. That I start just eye rolling and thinking wow, how entitled as gamers have we truly become?

There are people though, and meep is a prime example that every year around this time, it's one bitch post after another and then you don't hear from them at all for 10 months til the next version is about to come out. At some point it's like obvious agenda is obvious. I get it, EA's done some scummy things over the years and continues to do scummy things. But they actually seem to have a team in the NHL team that at least TRIES to put out a good product with the obviously smaller budget they have compared to a Madden or an NBA2k.

I'd like to think they would at least get a few breaks here and there rather than a constant stream of hate every year, if people realistically looked at the hardware specs of the last gen machines and applied that logic to why the series somewhat stagnated, its very easy to see why.

At the end of the day I enjoy playing the game even with it's warts, it still to me is the best hockey product in video game form. NHL2k3 is about the one single game that could still give it a run imo. Other than that? it's not even close.

You cant say people are entitled just because they want more authenticity from the game. As time goes on and the systems get more powerful you should expect more from them and of course they have the best hockey game, they are the only hockey game! i respect that you like it, thats fine but no need blast people that want more from the game. I honestly think that they're trying and its not a lazy thing but maybe fresh eyes need to be working on this game. I understand theres not gonna be huge differences made year to year, but honestly the differences for the past 4 years have been so small, the difference between 10 and 14 is barely anything and that gets so frustrating. I dont wanna hear about budget, logic would say madden and nba have bigger budgets but how much bigger? how much bigger does the show have? How much bigger budget does any game thats put out thats higher quality then the nhl series? If its honestly specs like you think it is, then this game should be amazing because the specs on ps4 and xb1 should be good enough, or maybe ill wait for ps8

[SpectralThundr]

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You cant say people are entitled just because they want more authenticity from the game. As time goes on and the systems get more powerful you should expect more from them and of course they have the best hockey game, they are the only hockey game! i respect that you like it, thats fine but no need blast people that want more from the game. I honestly think that they're trying and its not a lazy thing but maybe fresh eyes need to be working on this game. I understand theres not gonna be huge differences made year to year, but honestly the differences for the past 4 years have been so small, the difference between 10 and 14 is barely anything and that gets so frustrating. I dont wanna hear about budget, logic would say madden and nba have bigger budgets but how much bigger? how much bigger does the show have? How much bigger budget does any game thats put out thats higher quality then the nhl series? If its honestly specs like you think it is, then this game should be amazing because the specs on ps4 and xb1 should be good enough, or maybe ill wait for ps8

I hope you do wait for PS8, you'll likely still be disappointed. And like many have NO idea about the perils of software development at all, on a 10 month yearly cycle vs hardware and what can be realistically done with the limitations of said hardware. Things like expecting different fabric for numbers vs the jerseys themselves IS nitpicky, I hate to burst your bubble.

They were up against it last gen spec wise. Period. 256 megs is NOTHING to play with. That they even got the skating engine to the point they did last gen was actually amazing given the circumstances.

But no, it's so much better to be a group of negative sallys year in year out and then wonder why EA doesn't bother to engage on OS anymore in regards to NHL.

[Jattbreed]

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NHL 15: Jelly Edition...seriously the ways the jerseys move it looks like they are all made of jelly. Never seen a jersey react like that when a puck hits a goaltender.

[giantsharks]

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I hope you do wait for PS8, you'll likely still be disappointed. And like many have NO idea about the perils of software development at all, on a 10 month yearly cycle vs hardware and what can be realistically done with the limitations of said hardware. Things like expecting different fabric for numbers vs the jerseys themselves IS nitpicky, I hate to burst your bubble.

They were up against it last gen spec wise. Period. 256 megs is NOTHING to play with. That they even got the skating engine to the point they did last gen was actually amazing given the circumstances.

But no, it's so much better to be a group of negative sallys year in year out and then wonder why EA doesn't bother to engage on OS anymore in regards to NHL.

The PERILS of software development? thats being a little dramatic. i said before i dont expect a ton done year to year but after four or five years i expect a little more. I agree the skating engine is the one thing i do like about the game. And i guess i will just bow down to you and your superior knowledge of operating systems, i guess ea was dealing with a different operationg system then other people because i played a lot of quality games on ps3. We are all a bunch of negative nancys and you know everything and we should just expect crap from ea and be happy with what they give us.

[SpectralThundr]

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The PERILS of software development? thats being a little dramatic. i said before i dont expect a ton done year to year but after four or five years i expect a little more. I agree the skating engine is the one thing i do like about the game. And i guess i will just bow down to you and your superior knowledge of operating systems, i guess ea was dealing with a different operationg system then other people because i played a lot of quality games on ps3. We are all a bunch of negative nancys and you know everything and we should just expect crap from ea and be happy with what they give us.

If you only knew, seriously. Software development is NOT a cakewalk anything you do or change can affect everything else. And given the budget and yearly cycle that compacts the whole process.

[Money99]

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I'm kind of hoping the jersey flapping will be toned down by release.
It's nothing that's going to prevent me from buying the game or enjoying it, but it reminds of MLB2K8(?) which had the jersey's flapping so much that it was like the game is being played in the middle of a hurricane.

I recall the first Fight Night Beta having extreme giggling as well. James Toney's moobs jiggled and bounced so much, I was hoping there was a 'manzier' reward.
By release, it was really toned down to the point it barely was recognizable.
So perhaps the same thing will happen with NHL15 as well.

[SpectralThundr]

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I'm kind of hoping the jersey flapping will be toned down by release.
It's nothing that's going to prevent me from buying the game or enjoying it, but it reminds of MLB2K8(?) which had the jersey's flapping so much that it was like the game is being played in the middle of a hurricane.

I recall the first Fight Night Beta having extreme giggling as well. James Toney's moobs jiggled and bounced so much, I was hoping there was a 'manzier' reward.
By release, it was really toned down to the point it barely was recognizable.
So perhaps the same thing will happen with NHL15 as well.

It will be no doubt. We're looking at a build that's at least 2+ months from being the gold master. They'll tweak before then.

[CaptainSuperman]

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Did someone say 10 is no different from 14?

After playing the 14 demo I couldn't even go back to playing 13 it was so different.

More authenticity? From a goalie net? That has absolutely 0 impact on gameplay? If it goes in, it goes in, there is nothing a net can to do impact gameplay. You try getting a goalie net to act the way it really should. There are so many more things in hockey to bring over into the game world than there are in baseball (The Show) and basketball (NBA2K). Contact from equipment, the puck, other players, the net, and the boards. Physics for a flat puck, which I'm sure is a lot harder than for a round baseball or basketball.

People constantly and yearly complain about everything, and it's not like it goes unheard. They are trying to make skating as great as they can, or have you not noticed the changes over the past 2-3 years? The hitting is still being worked on and fine tuned, but they are going in the right direction. You can't expect it to be perfect just because they said it was something they were adding that year. They seem to be trying to get puck physics right this year with the hire of that physicist or scientist, whatever. They are taking a step in the right direction with the 3 separate layers for players. But no, everyone dismisses all of it simply cause it's not perfect out the gate and year 1 into the next gen.

So yes, the lot of gamers seem to have become entitled. I'd rather them work on and fix gameplay before working on pointless graphics, but because so many people complain year after year, we get new commentary and crowd, more player faces, and the like before gameplay improvements. And the likes of those who have complained about the graphics who are complaining yet again this year, will also, in time, complain that they didn't also work on the gameplay. Well, EA hears all the bitching and tries it's best, but it seems more people care about aesthetics than real gameplay.

[pm83]

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So yes, the lot of gamers seem to have become entitled. I'd rather them work on and fix gameplay before working on pointless graphics, but because so many people complain year after year, we get new commentary and crowd, more player faces, and the like before gameplay improvements. And the likes of those who have complained about the graphics who are complaining yet again this year, will also, in time, complain that they didn't also work on the gameplay. Well, EA hears all the bitching and tries it's best, but it seems more people care about aesthetics than real gameplay.

I'm pretty sure a lot of gamers have been asking EA to fix retreating AI because it's been one of their biggest problems of the series when talking about gameplay and they haven't delivered. A lot of gamers have been asking about replacing robotic and they-are-all-the-same goalies (which been there for ages) but they haven't delivered. Instead they've been focusing on aspects that look good but have no effect on gameplay itself.

One thing that bothers me year after year is the "it's authentic" talk. When they say that jersey will move like real one and give authentic experience then I'm assuming it will do that. When they say that arenas look authentic I'm assuming that they will be really close to real ones. But what we've seen so far is not authentic. You have to understand that fans will notice stuff like benches on the wrong side, banners at the wrong place, printed logos on a jersey, wrong colour hair on a certain player etc. If EA markets their game with "it's authentic" then it should be no surprise if they have complaints about things that are not authentic as promised.

To be honest I think it's a little bit naive to say that EA is trying it's best. EA is a big company that wants to sell as many products as possible with certain sum of money to been put for the work. I'm sure that team will try to do good work with resources that have been given to them though. And yes there are some really good ones along this year like lifelike-broadcast, updated arenas, improved puck physics and seperation between upper and lower body. I'm personally happy for the improvements but will still continue to point out errors (with my own style) if I see one. Because critic drives for changes.

[CupCrazyManiac]

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I'm pretty sure a lot of gamers have been asking EA to fix retreating AI because it's been one of their biggest problems of the series when talking about gameplay and they haven't delivered. A lot of gamers have been asking about replacing robotic and they-are-all-the-same goalies (which been there for ages) but they haven't delivered. Instead they've been focusing on aspects that look good but have no effect on gameplay itself.



One thing that bothers me year after year is the "it's authentic" talk. When they say that jersey will move like real one and give authentic experience then I'm assuming it will do that. When they say that arenas look authentic I'm assuming that they will be really close to real ones. But what we've seen so far is not authentic. You have to understand that fans will notice stuff like benches on the wrong side, banners at the wrong place, printed logos on a jersey, wrong colour hair on a certain player etc. If EA markets their game with "it's authentic" then it should be no surprise if they have complaints about things that are not authentic as promised.



To be honest I think it's a little bit naive to say that EA is trying it's best. EA is a big company that wants to sell as many products as possible with certain sum of money to been put for the work. I'm sure that team will try to do good work with resources that have been given to them though. And yes there are some really good ones along this year like lifelike-broadcast, updated arenas, improved puck physics and seperation between upper and lower body. I'm personally happy for the improvements but will still continue to point out errors (with my own style) if I see one. Because critic drives for changes.

I absolutly AGREE!!!!!!!!!

[meep316]

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actually when Kane scores around the 1:04 mark in the first sizzle trailer with the overlay of commentary from Doc, the puck does come back out of the net pretty quick after. on a good goal. When you go out of your way to hate every year however I can understand how the little details could be missed.

On the backhand? No it doesn't. It hits the back crossbar and then flips down off of the post and stays into the net in a canned, cheesy pre-rendered animation.

[CaptainSuperman]

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I'm pretty sure a lot of gamers have been asking EA to fix retreating AI because it's been one of their biggest problems of the series when talking about gameplay and they haven't delivered. A lot of gamers have been asking about replacing robotic and they-are-all-the-same goalies (which been there for ages) but they haven't delivered. Instead they've been focusing on aspects that look good but have no effect on gameplay itself.

One thing that bothers me year after year is the "it's authentic" talk. When they say that jersey will move like real one and give authentic experience then I'm assuming it will do that. When they say that arenas look authentic I'm assuming that they will be really close to real ones. But what we've seen so far is not authentic. You have to understand that fans will notice stuff like benches on the wrong side, banners at the wrong place, printed logos on a jersey, wrong colour hair on a certain player etc. If EA markets their game with "it's authentic" then it should be no surprise if they have complaints about things that are not authentic as promised.

To be honest I think it's a little bit naive to say that EA is trying it's best. EA is a big company that wants to sell as many products as possible with certain sum of money to been put for the work. I'm sure that team will try to do good work with resources that have been given to them though. And yes there are some really good ones along this year like lifelike-broadcast, updated arenas, improved puck physics and seperation between upper and lower body. I'm personally happy for the improvements but will still continue to point out errors (with my own style) if I see one. Because critic drives for changes.

But for every one person criticizing gameplay, there are 10-20-30 more people complaining about graphics, goalie masks, sticks, helmets, and now arenas, goal horns, benches, lighting, this, that, someones face from 2009 instead of yesterday, no wonder they only fix the graphics!

Do you expect EA to say "This year we overhauled every arena in the league to be authentic as possible to real life...but we only got it half complete and you will have to wait until next year to get the complete package of real life arenas"? NO! Cause then they would be thrown under the bus by all the same people saying they are lazy asking why they just couldn't get it done for this year, or why include it at all if it's not complete. Well, it's the first year of next gen and they are putting in what they can.

And EA is still a business. What is the purpose of a business? To make a profit. Spend as little as possible and gain as much as possible. That means regardless of how big the company is, they want their separate studios to be as small as possible while still putting out a good enough game to rake in more money than what they put into it. But let's not act like EA NHL over the past 6 years or so hasn't been one of the best sport games out there. They set the bar so high that us fans have definitely started to feel entitled. We've seen vast improvements to the game in a few short years from, say, '07 to '10. So we expect quite a lot out of them, but it just so happens that they hit the nail on the head with what they did in those years, so you can't just keep fixing what isn't broke, expecting more out of it (for the good features) and also expect EVERY other aspect of the game to raise in standards as well.

[andayaman]

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I've loved this series since I started playing it in 09. I going to love it even more now that EA was able to incorporate Cuban shirts into the game.