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  • bad_philanthropy
    MVP
    • Jul 2005
    • 12176

    #256
    Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

    Originally posted by GiantBlue76
    I think everyone is putting the cart before the horse here. We are all excited to see a team actually pushing in the right direction, but by no means has this football game eclipsed the games of the past even. There are still a lot of eye sores that are in Madden 15, even by the devs admission. The real proof is in the product and what gets delivered. Good will and transparency is great and all, and it is appreciated, but at the end of the day, we aren't going out for beers together or anything. The product is what matters, and it still has a long way to go.
    Agreed. I think a lot of us have prefaced our excitement with reserved judgment until the final product though. It is encouraging to see Madden's development direction at this point through an allegedly more fundamental approach to football mechanics, and acknowledging legacy issues. Perhaps the most important thing in any of this is the admission of the game's shortcomings and flat out terrible aspects from its developers, and professing a real drive to sort that crap out.

    IMO having the devs admit these things, account for them, and express a desire to solve them over the long-term gives some hope as a customer that core gameplay has a long-term direction I'm interested in. The "Madden" style of gameplay has been stale to me for years now. I can accept some aspects taking a while to change because Rex and team are still confined to the revenue strategies of EA and the annual release cycle, but more detailed gameplay will freshen things up and get me more engaged.

    The game may turn out to be a disaster, but still, it hasn't been often we've seen Madden devs host a livestream like this pre-release where they've shown gameplay, and "labbed" improvements for us, and even been willing to go into replay mode to show stuff off. We'll know fairly soon if this was genius marketing, but I don't see the logic in peddling this stuff to a small portion of the consumer base (the "hardcore" OS-type communities) as a marketing deception.

    One other little aside. For the most part I was impressed with the collision detection in the box in the run game. It mostly seemed/looked quite fluid, and the RB navigated traffic quite well.

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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33173

      #257
      Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

      I'm not even willing to give the entire team a pass yet. Rex and the gameplay guys have chosen to move in a more sim direction and repair issues from the past and I applaud them for that.

      Now...Josh Looman and the franchise team? Nah. They dont get a pass. They singlehandedly destroyed franchise by choosing to focus on Twitter feeds, hot dog prices and leveling up than things that people here are looking for. The fact that CFM doesnt have realistic stats, CPU v. CPU, individual defensive matchups, out of game formation subs or CPU controlled teams that play like they do in real life (without major tweaking) is ridiculous.

      I'm interested in what they will present around August but I'm not hopeful based on the casual focus they've had in past years.

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      • Big FN Deal
        Banned
        • Aug 2011
        • 6076

        #258
        Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

        Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
        One thing I forgot to mention in my previous praise was the beauty of seeing a defender attack the correct shoulder instead of simply engaging the blocker straight on like it has always been. I just wanted to cry it was so beautiful. This sort of logic not only improves the game overall, but should also improve the efficacy of the 3-4 defense.
        This a great example of what posters like LBz, Bezo, Senator Palmer, Giantblue76 and others have been talking about for years, that this kind of stuff, like attacking the outside shoulder, has nothing to do with User control or casuals, since it's in-game it should be implemented realistically. No casual gamer is going to get frustrated because different dline fronts attacking in different ways, if anything they'll quickly pickup on and be glad that x play can defend outside runs. Implement real football when possible and it becomes much easier for everyone to understand and learn the basics of what's effective against what. The way it stands right now, you need a Phd in Maddenology to stop something as basic as an outside sweep and I'm glad that seems to be changing.

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        • bad_philanthropy
          MVP
          • Jul 2005
          • 12176

          #259
          Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          I'm not even willing to give the entire team a pass yet. Rex and the gameplay guys have chosen to move in a more sim direction and repair issues from the past and I applaud them for that.

          Now...Josh Looman and the franchise team? Nah. They dont get a pass. They singlehandedly destroyed franchise by choosing to focus on Twitter feeds, hot dog prices and leveling up than things that people here are looking for. The fact that CFM doesnt have realistic stats, CPU v. CPU, individual defensive matchups, out of game formation subs or CPU controlled teams that play like they do in real life (without major tweaking) is ridiculous.

          I'm interested in what they will present around August but I'm not hopeful based on the casual focus they've had in past years.
          Very true. The leveling XP system as a means to simulate player development is a narrow concept and just a disaster. The stats curve for passing completion/yards in simmed games is laughable with like a third of the league hitting under 40% completions. Obviously passing stats aren't the only problem either.

          I'll harp on my most hated visual aspect of last year's gen 4 offering; the damned "living worlds" where the crowd/sideline media/camera guys are wearing shorts and t-shirts in the cold. I haven't seen any evidence this is fixed yet.

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          • bucky60
            Banned
            • Jan 2008
            • 3303

            #260
            Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            Now...Josh Looman and the franchise team? Nah. They dont get a pass. They singlehandedly destroyed franchise by choosing to focus on Twitter feeds, and leveling up than things that people here are looking for. The fact that CFM doesnt have realistic stats, CPU v. CPU, individual defensive matchups, out of game formation subs or CPU controlled teams that play like they do in real life (without major tweaking) is ridiculous.

            I'm interested in what they will present around August but I'm not hopeful based on the casual focus they've had in past years.
            You just mentioned my biggest problems with Madden. The unrealistic off field stuff. Especially the XP progression. If CFM were to become more realistic, which I believe a team oriented sports sim should strive for, I would have very few complaints with Madden.

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            • jpdavis82
              All Star
              • Sep 2005
              • 8697

              #261
              Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

              Here's the entire 1hr 20 mins in YT version thanks to Simfballcritic http://youtu.be/w27YWRV-n1Y


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              • BlueNGold
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2009
                • 21830

                #262
                Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                This has to be the most positive Madden thread I've read in 4-5 years.
                Originally posted by bradtxmale
                I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                • jpdavis82
                  All Star
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 8697

                  #263
                  Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                  Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                  Very true. The leveling XP system as a means to simulate player development is a narrow concept and just a disaster. The stats curve for passing completion/yards in simmed games is laughable with like a third of the league hitting under 40% completions. Obviously passing stats aren't the only problem either.

                  I'll harp on my most hated visual aspect of last year's gen 4 offering; the damned "living worlds" where the crowd/sideline media/camera guys are wearing shorts and t-shirts in the cold. I haven't seen any evidence this is fixed yet.
                  We haven't seen any evidence either way yet, hopefully during the presentation livestream it will be shown or at least discussed.


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                  • Flamehead
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 1502

                    #264
                    Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    I'm not even willing to give the entire team a pass yet. Rex and the gameplay guys have chosen to move in a more sim direction and repair issues from the past and I applaud them for that.

                    Now...Josh Looman and the franchise team? Nah. They dont get a pass. They singlehandedly destroyed franchise by choosing to focus on Twitter feeds, hot dog prices and leveling up than things that people here are looking for. The fact that CFM doesnt have realistic stats, CPU v. CPU, individual defensive matchups, out of game formation subs or CPU controlled teams that play like they do in real life (without major tweaking) is ridiculous.

                    I'm interested in what they will present around August but I'm not hopeful based on the casual focus they've had in past years.
                    I remember even just a few years ago, someone (Josh himself maybe?) mentioned perhaps bringing in more of the offseason features from Head Coach into Madden's franchise mode. I wonder whatever happened to that.

                    If I were a bettin' man, I'd bet most fans would be willing to sacrifice the owner stuff for a deeper general manager mode. For example, what if they scrapped everything related to owner mode and swapped in everything from Head Coach's offseason mode? A pipe dream, I'm sure, but I wouldn't be able to fork over my money fast enough.

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                    • SECElit3
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 5562

                      #265
                      Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                      In the sales world, there is a saying. Quote: " people buy from those they like"

                      You have my business Rex. Offers hand.

                      Rex is the best thing that could have happened to Madden. I just hope he sticks around...
                      Last edited by SECElit3; 07-19-2014, 02:51 PM.

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                      • bucky60
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3303

                        #266
                        Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                        Originally posted by Flamehead
                        I remember even just a few years ago, someone (Josh himself maybe?) mentioned perhaps bringing in more of the offseason features from Head Coach into Madden's franchise mode. I wonder whatever happened to that.

                        If I were a bettin' man, I'd bet most fans would be willing to sacrifice the owner stuff for a deeper general manager mode. For example, what if they scrapped everything related to owner mode and swapped in everything from Head Coach's offseason mode? A pipe dream, I'm sure, but I wouldn't be able to fork over my money fast enough.
                        Why scrap owner mode? Just add Head Coach type features to the existing CFM modes, both Owner and Coach.

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                        • Danimal
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 2214

                          #267
                          Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                          Rex,

                          One thing I noticed and like during the presentation is the fatigue system seemed to be working properly at least from a visual stand point.

                          3rd play both WR's ran fly routes and in the next play they were both yellow.

                          My question is has this been addressed or tweaked in any manner? If so how does this affect players in game besides the visual yellow, orange , red in play call?
                          <a href="http://www.operationsports.com/Danimal/blog/6756-going-old-school-v1/">Read my blog Going Old School v1 GridIron! football.

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                          • MrPinkBlackrose
                            Rookie
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 33

                            #268
                            Really impressed by the candor...I echo what I've read in the comments, seems like he's talking to you...not just giving you company speak. I was thinking I would sit this years out, but slowly changing my mind. I just want to see a real Coach Mode in CCM...where you settle your depth charts, play books, subs (that you don't have to do EVERY single game...like it used to be in Madden 12) and call the plays...not control the players...not kick the field goals or kick offs. The current Coach Mode is really no different than actually playing the game. They HAVE to know this.

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                            • FaceMask
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 847

                              #269
                              Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                              Originally posted by jpdavis82
                              Joshua Henschke of Michigan Bleacher Report just posted this on Twitter, this could be good news guys.

                              @JoshuaHenschke: Per his Facebook account, Tate Forcier will be doing QB motion capture for Madden 15. That comes with a $1000 daily rate, not bad.


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                              Madden 15? Madden 15 is finished, so perhaps their patch tech has made some significant strides.

                              Anyway, no offense to Tate Forcier, but Tiburon should consider hiring pros instead. There was another game made a long time ago that actually did that (they in fact hired Tom Brady), and it happened to work out fine.

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                              • DNMHIII
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 2363

                                #270
                                Re: Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream Starts at 4:30 PM EST, Watch it Here

                                Originally posted by FaceMask
                                Madden 15? Madden 15 is finished, so perhaps their patch tech has made some significant strides.

                                Anyway, no offense to Tate Forcier, but Tiburon should consider hiring pros instead. There was another game made a long time ago that actually did that (they in fact hired Tom Brady), and it happened to work out fine.
                                Hard to believe that in this day and age the technology to take actual gameplay footage and use it for player models and movement hasn't replaced mocap.

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