Madden NFL 15 Blog and Screenshots - War in the Trenches 2.0

[roadman]

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I'll say it again about this team of Rex, Clint and the rest of the gang, they seem to talk the talk.

That interview from November I asked if them if they will create a feature and take it out the next year and Rex stated, those days are gone.

Looks like they are holding to that at this time.

[Dirk5049ers]

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Kind of off topic, but will therebe daytime/nighttime progression like MLB the Show? I haven't bought Madden in a few years and wasn't sure if it's been added yet.

[khaliib]

Will any info be released for folks still on Current Gen Consoles (vid's, any differences between current and Next Gen)?

Just curious as to how things will look/run on current Gen consoles.

Other than visuals, will the concepts presented in this and other Next Gen info releases be "Exactly" the same?

If not, what differences can we expect.

[StefJoeHalt]

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I just went back to watch a couple pass plays from the stream and I notice that while the Tackles do seem to dropping back deeper to form a better pocket, it doesn't seem to be effecting the drop back depth of the QB, forcing them to utilize or step up in that pocket. So my question is, considering what they stated about having "wide" dline calls have defenders attack the outside shoulder, shouldn't that theoretically apply on pass plays or be tuned to?



So when playing someone that has a habit of dropping back outside the of the pocket, not just rolling out of it, shouldn't that wide attack by the end rushers be made to easily get around blockers to make the sack and deter deep drop backs or no?

Big I been thinking this and saying it..but u wrote it much better then I have ever..my belief is there is NO explosion off the line by DE and OLB's..it's all one speed


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[MAGboyswifT27]

Good blogs so far but I've seen these types of blogs in the past. I hope that all the moves listed will be in the game and not just a few of them.

[GiantBlue76]

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Just got this response from Clint...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/tazdevil20">@tazdevil20</a> and yes, the CPU utilizes the same everything as the user except for block-steering. Your 4 studs will be studs.</p>&mdash; Clint Oldenburg (@ClintOldenburg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClintOldenburg/statuses/491314025226338304">July 21, 2014</a></blockquote>

[Big FN Deal]

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Just got this response from Clint...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/tazdevil20">@tazdevil20</a> and yes, the CPU utilizes the same everything as the user except for block-steering. Your 4 studs will be studs.</p>&mdash; Clint Oldenburg (@ClintOldenburg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClintOldenburg/statuses/491314025226338304">July 21, 2014</a></blockquote>

Well that's odd, that's the main thing LBz, Bezo, etc have been harping on for forever, engaged player movement, so don't really see why CPU/AI "steering" would be left out. A User can only control 1 dlineman, so the other engaged defenders will be stuck in the usual patty cake?

Would be great to get further details on this, if possible, not to harp on it but to at least find out if adding this for CPU/AI is an immediate intention.

[StefJoeHalt]

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So based on that info..you have to play DL to set edge..that is a let down


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[GiantBlue76]

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Well that's odd, that's the main thing LBz, Bezo, etc have been harping on for forever, engaged player movement, so don't really see why CPU/AI "steering" would be left out. A User can only control 1 dlineman, so the other engaged defenders will be stuck in the usual patty cake?

Would be great to get further details on this, if possible, not to harp on it but to at least find out if adding this for CPU/AI is an immediate intention.

I asked him if they planned on adding that. It's baffling to me as well as to why they would omit that. Engaged player movement is what they need to expound upon in order to rid themselves of the "win/loss" type of line interactions. Just because I am engaged with an offensive lineman does not mean I "lost". It seems they've adopted this when it comes to user control, but not for the AI. What really sucks about this is that guys who play only against the computer will never once see this done against them. Have to admit, this is an absolute head scratcher.

[The JareBear]

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So based on that info..you have to play DL to set edge..that is a let down


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Yeah, not to be all Doom and Gloom, but that is a little disappointing. That would add a lot to the immersion for me seeing CPU players set the edge like they should.

Oh well, maybe it will come in along with all-22 true step next year

[MajorSupreme]

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Yeah, not to be all Doom and Gloom, but that is a little disappointing. That would add a lot to the immersion for me seeing CPU players set the edge like they should.

Oh well, maybe it will come in along with all-22 true step next year

"Next year." Man, I've never hated and loved two words more.
"Yay! Christmas and my birthday comes next year."
"EA didn't have ______________ this year, hopefully next year along with _________." Man that hurts.

[mestevo]

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Well that's odd, that's the main thing LBz, Bezo, etc have been harping on for forever, engaged player movement, so don't really see why CPU/AI "steering" would be left out. A User can only control 1 dlineman, so the other engaged defenders will be stuck in the usual patty cake?

Would be great to get further details on this, if possible, not to harp on it but to at least find out if adding this for CPU/AI is an immediate intention.

I think the missing piece is the line playing as a unit, rather than individual units dealing with the player in front of them. OL/DL play isn't a trench, it's a bunch of 1 vs n battles to get to the ball. Perhaps the next step is the defense better working together (only seen previously to my knowledge last year or the year before when they'd pass players to other defenders in zone coverage, even had an animation for it?) and the entire line playing more defined role in any given play, rather than an individual with the only options being cover another player, play contain (so really a little zone to the side and stare at the QB on a pass) or just go crush the QB - with some more tools for that last bit this year.

That make sense?

[therizing02]

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Yeah, not to be all Doom and Gloom, but that is a little disappointing. That would add a lot to the immersion for me seeing CPU players set the edge like they should.

Oh well, maybe it will come in along with all-22 true step next year

Makes sense, but in the developer Twitch didn't they show a Saints DE set the edge to stop D Williams on a sweep, or was that a replay of a USER controlled action?

[GiantBlue76]

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Makes sense, but in the developer Twitch didn't they show a Saints DE set the edge to stop D Williams on a sweep, or was that a replay of a USER controlled action?

Yeah they did, but I don't remember if it was user controlled or not. I actually don't think it was because they were showing off how he did it on his own in the replay. That is encouraging.

[Mr.Smif]

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I asked him if they planned on adding that. It's baffling to me as well as to why they would omit that. Engaged player movement is what they need to expound upon in order to rid themselves of the "win/loss" type of line interactions. Just because I am engaged with an offensive lineman does not mean I "lost". It seems they've adopted this when it comes to user control, but not for the AI. What really sucks about this is that guys who play only against the computer will never once see this done against them. Have to admit, this is an absolute head scratcher.

This goes along with them only adding True Step to user controller players. Seems like a core engine limitation to me. Since they are building on top of a broken football engine they have to take short cuts. Really, these types of mechanics should be built in the core game-play code so they won't need to use as much resources for them. But since they are basically implementing new programs/mechanics, its takes up way too many resources, that's my theory anyway.