Madden NFL 15 Top 5 Quarterbacks

[charter04]

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If anything doing the ratings releases gives us an opportunity for some friendly debat. It's not like there is much else to do this time of year. Lol

[mrprice33]

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Well stand is one of the best ever. So below his standard is still better than Wilson who clearly doesn't have the same responsibility as Brady. Numbers lie.

I agree about the overall. EA has a very strange system. I'm not even trying to knock Wilson. He's really good but, if Brady and Wilson would have switch teams last year Seattle becomes even better but, NE might not make the playoffs. That's my Opinion based on complete hypothetical's.

They lie in many different ways, especially raw numbers, which is why I'm staying away from them. But when you look at the other offenses that throw as much as the pats, and how much better they were at it than the pats, it's alarming, is all I'm saying. Sure, their receivers were a mess, but his receivers have been a mess before. Their running game, however, was better than it has been in a long time (they had a better YPC and lower fumble rate than the Seahawks, for example).

[mrprice33]

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If anything doing the ratings releases gives us an opportunity for some friendly debat. It's not like there is much else to do this time of year. Lol

For sure.

I think the way I look at it is this: the overall rating is the sum total of all of the player's capabilities. Even if we allow that Brady is the better passer than Wilson (which is almost impossible to say at this stage of his career, considering their respective workloads), Wilson is obviously the better athlete to such a ridiculous degree that it may make up for the difference. I think we'd agree that, at most, Brady is 1.5x as good of a passer as Wilson. He's definitely not twice as good, but probably better, right? How much better of an athlete is Wilson? 3x? 4x? The balancing out is pretty fair, then, when you consider what the rating represents.

[MajorSupreme]

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If anything doing the ratings releases gives us an opportunity for some friendly debat. It's not like there is much else to do this time of year. Lol

I just think it would be better if there were more traits for each position, which dictated how the AI played to really differentiate players from each other. Like for QBs:
-Throws Tight Spiral: Yes/No
-Forces Passes: Rarely/Sometimes/Often/Sporadically/Frequently
-Ability to Throw on the Run: Poor/Decent/High/Very High
-Arm Strength: Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Ball Velocity: Low/Decent/High/Very High
Touch: Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Pocket Mobility: Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Footwork: Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Ability to Read Coverage: Poor/Decent/High/Very High
-Consistency: Poor/Decent/High
-Clutch: Yes/No
-Composure (how a QB reacts to turnovers, three and outs, etc.): Poor/Decent/High
-Deep/Medium/Short Pass Tendency: Rarely/Often/Frequently
-Ability to Complete Deep/Medium/Short Throws: Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Throw Ball Away Tendency: Rarely/Often/Frequently
-Durability: Poor/Decent/Good
-Tuck-and-Run Tendency: Rarely/Often/Frequently
-Red Zone Efficiency: Poor/Decent/High
-Leadership (affects other players): Poor/Decent/Good/Excellent
-Potential: 1-6 (1. Won't improve much/Veteran regression, 2. Very little to improve/ veteran winding down, 3. Some improvement can be made or has intangibles (project players)/Vets reaching peak, 4. A lot of potential there to make into something great/ vet hitting peak, 5. Can easily be molded into something great with a high ceiling/Vet hitting his prime.)

That, and I wish there was no overall period.

[charter04]

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They lie in many different ways, especially raw numbers, which is why I'm staying away from them. But when you look at the other offenses that throw as much as the pats, and how much better they were at it than the pats, it's alarming, is all I'm saying. Sure, their receivers were a mess, but his receivers have been a mess before. Their running game, however, was better than it has been in a long time (they had a better YPC and lower fumble rate than the Seahawks, for example).

I have that NFL.com rewind subscription were you get to watch every game in 30 min and I would say the first of the year was the struggle. His accuracy wasn't great but, it seemed to be mostly drops, young guys with bad route running, and their lack of confidence. Once that was improved the last part of the season and playoffs you saw the old Brady.

I would love to see his numbers in the last 8 games and playoffs compared to the first 8. It's not all about numbers but, I need to look it up.

I mean really in Madden how much difference is 98 to 93?

[jmurphy31]

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Yep. 41 drops, 6.6 % drop rate. The average for the NFL was 4.6%. Let's say you give him those 13 receptions back (4.6 of 619 attempts is 28 drops).

His completion % rises to 62.5.
TD% rises to 4.1
YPA rises to 7.15

Rating probably goes up a little because of all of these factors.

He still doesn't sniff the top 15 in terms of qb performance last year. 93 is a great rating, and if he didn't have the body of work that he does, it'd probably be too high considering his age and dropoff.

It's not just the drops. I've watched every game multiple times. It was a lot of mistakes from young WRs. Tompkins leaving his feet on almost every catch plus catching with his body. Guys running wrong routes. Toss in his o line was beyond awful and hurt.

Again brady didn't have a great stat year, but he won games. Jaws had him number 2 on his qb list and the nfl had him as the number 2 player.

His deep ball has declined but that's not the teams strength. He plays to the teams strength.

[NicVirtue]

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Welp....I'll be downloading FBG rosters yet another year and staying away from CFM. Like seriously, Idk how they can make a simulation football game with this current rating system. It's horrible.

[mrprice33]

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I have that NFL.com rewind subscription were you get to watch every game in 30 min and I would say the first of the year was the struggle. His accuracy wasn't great but, it seemed to be mostly drops, young guys with bad route running, and their lack of confidence. Once that was improved the last part of the season and playoffs you saw the old Brady.

I would love to see his numbers in the last 8 games and playoffs compared to the first 8. It's not all about numbers but, I need to look it up.

I mean really in Madden how much difference is 98 to 93?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/splits/2013/

that at least has by month.

[bsurocksrule]

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I find it hilarious about the fans arguing against Wilson's rating. Most of you are fans against the teams that got beat and that could've/should've beaten the Seahawks.

"I can't believe Wilson's rating"
"Wilson won because of the team"
"Wilson's a terrible QB"

Well of course Seahawks haters will say that when Seattle wins. If you don't like his rating just change it when the game is released. I realize that as a Hawks fan myself people will think I'm biased but please, settle down. Some of your complaints are just... stupid.

Just my opinion. /end rant.

[mrprice33]

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It's not just the drops. I've watched every game multiple times. It was a lot of mistakes from young WRs. Tompkins leaving his feet on almost every catch plus catching with his body. Guys running wrong routes. Toss in his o line was beyond awful and hurt.

Again brady didn't have a great stat year, but he won games. Jaws had him number 2 on his qb list and the nfl had him as the number 2 player.

His deep ball has declined but that's not the teams strength. He plays to the teams strength.

He's not rated as an 83, though. He's a 93. It's an elite rating. It's 4th best among QBs. Could you argue for him ahead of Manning, Rodgers, or Brees?

You'd have the best argument to put him ahead of Brees, who's gotten sloppy with the ball the past couple of years, but he seems to be rated about where he should be, no?

[mrprice33]

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I find it hilarious about the fans arguing against Wilson's rating. Most of you are fans against the teams that got beat and that could've/should've beaten the Seahawks.

"I can't believe Wilson's rating"
"Wilson won because of the team"
"Wilson's a terrible QB"

Well of course Seahawks haters will say that when Seattle wins. If you don't like his rating just change it when the game is released. I realize that as a Hawks fan myself people will think I'm biased but please, settle down. Some of your complaints are just... stupid.

Just my opinion. /end rant.

[leathrneck34]

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They are all too muscular. I mean look at Peyton Manning his arms are freaking huge and we all know he aint that big in RL. Russell Wilson while being to dark and being the popular kid in school this year ratings wise looks the best.

And as far as ratings go.. After what 20 something years using rating they need to find a new way to decide how to recreate how good a player is without rating them.

[MajorSupreme]

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He's not rated as an 83, though. He's a 93. It's an elite rating. It's 4th best among QBs. Could you argue for him ahead of Manning, Rodgers, or Brees?

You'd have the best argument to put him ahead of Brees, who's gotten sloppy with the ball the past couple of years, but he seems to be rated about where he should be, no?

Overall aside, yes ,his 99 awareness is well welcomed.

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Tom Brady is the product of the system he is in,,,Nothing more...Bilichick (sp?) is the key to the success, I hate to say, cause I can't stand him....Put Brady on any team Matt Casell ended up on and watch Brady fold just as Cassell did...

[Bootzilla]

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For sure.

I think the way I look at it is this: the overall rating is the sum total of all of the player's capabilities. Even if we allow that Brady is the better passer than Wilson (which is almost impossible to say at this stage of his career, considering their respective workloads), Wilson is obviously the better athlete to such a ridiculous degree that it may make up for the difference. I think we'd agree that, at most, Brady is 1.5x as good of a passer as Wilson. He's definitely not twice as good, but probably better, right? How much better of an athlete is Wilson? 3x? 4x? The balancing out is pretty fair, then, when you consider what the rating represents.

I agree with this. It's kind of like the "Styles make fights" argument. Kaepernick and Wilson aren't better quarterbacks than Manning or Brady. However, against the Seahawks Kaepernick is better than Manning because of his athleticism and ability to match up physically to the Seahawks. Who was better? Manning in the Superbowl or Kaepernick in the NFC championship game vs the Seahawks? And no I'm not speaking of pure stats. I'm speaking of effectiveness, i.e. a tipped pass away from winning vs getting blown out.

Same can be said for Wilson. He was better against the Broncos in the Superbowl than Brady was vs the Broncos in the AFC championship game. Why? Because when Brady got pressured he was rendered pretty much helpless because he can't move. When Wilson got pressured vs the Broncos he escaped the pocket, bought a little extra time and converted several crucial 3rd downs.