FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Overall the speed has held contant but what about restricting it to just o linemen?

OL 1997:
Average 40: 5.30

OL 2014:
Average 40: 5.32

Pretty constant there as well.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

So in other words, you are basically doing what you accuse EA of doing, manipulating ratings to reach a desired OVR. What I'm pointing out is that it makes no sense to have Dion Jordan and Robert Mathis having different "multipliers" for the exact same suspension. And any system that can honestly have guys like Cortland Finnegan (ranked 109/110 CB's last year in the league that took enough snaps), Derek Cox, Shareece Wright, and a bunch of other decent CB's above an elite CB such as Joe Haden is kind of a joke IMO. And don't tell me look at the individual ratings. All of Haden's important ratings are below these guys, which is not right. You can't tell me Tramon Williams is 15 points better than Joe Haden in MCV, or that Derek Cox is 6 points better. Derek Cox was benched midseason last year due to struggles and was cut from his team in the offseason in the middle of a 4 year deal. Haden just got one of the highest CB contracts in the league after being an All-pro.

In the case of injury, yes. When a player is improving or regressing based on performance, we simply look at the data. No manipulation involved. If I had it my way, I would not include OVR ratings, but once again, when I did that 2 years ago people freaked out.

Once again, look at the whole, not the individual score. Hayden was a bright spot on a bad team, but before he got injured at the end of last season, he gave up 4 TDs in 4 consecutive games. That isn't what ELITE CBs do. Odds are, the scouts saw that, reevaluated him, and gave him the grade he has now. His OVR grade has not changed since May, so it could have been higher/lower before that.

I will explain this for the final time again. No player has the same result on their ratings than any other player, no matter the injury, suspension, whatever. Every case is different.

Haden is a better athlete than both Williams and Cox, but his technical skills are still a bit behind, especially in the AWR category. So yes, I am telling you that.

[charter04]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

So in other words, you are basically doing what you accuse EA of doing, manipulating ratings to reach a desired OVR. What I'm pointing out is that it makes no sense to have Dion Jordan and Robert Mathis having different "multipliers" for the exact same suspension. And any system that can honestly have guys like Cortland Finnegan (ranked 109/110 CB's last year in the league that took enough snaps), Derek Cox, Shareece Wright, and a bunch of other decent CB's above an elite CB such as Joe Haden is kind of a joke IMO. And don't tell me look at the individual ratings. All of Haden's important ratings are below these guys, which is not right. You can't tell me Tramon Williams is 15 points better than Joe Haden in MCV, or that Derek Cox is 6 points better. Derek Cox was benched midseason last year due to struggles and was cut from his team in the offseason in the middle of a 4 year deal. Haden just got one of the highest CB contracts in the league after being an All-pro.

I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Let me check.

Well, they didn't start doing the cone drill until 1999, so let's start that year.

1999:
Cone 7.48, Shuttle 4.36

2014:
Cone 7.33, Shuttle 4.50

Rotational Agility has improved while lateral agility has not. Very interesting.

To be honest I expected both numbers to show improvement.

I am not that knowledgeable in blocking schemes so maybe someone more qualified than I can answer this, but has zone blocking become more popular within the specified years? That was my original thought behind the strength numbers along with other spread concepts, but if it does provide a explanation I would expect OL shuttle drill numbers to improve.

For the entire population's drill times, has it been a consistent trend in the appropriate direction or does it fluctuate?

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

To be honest I expected both numbers to show improvement.

I am not that knowledgeable in blocking schemes so maybe someone more qualified than I can answer this, but has zone blocking become more popular within the specified years? That was my original thought behind the strength numbers along with other spread concepts, but if it does provide a explanation I would expect OL shuttle drill numbers to improve.

For the entire population's drill times, has it been a consistent trend in the appropriate direction or does it fluctuate?

It fluctuates by draft class typically. This year's class was actually a bit less athletic as compared to other years. Otherwise, the rate of change is pretty small or constant.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.

I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that.

BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

[michiganfan8620]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that.

BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

I don't see what's ironic. Haden covered number 1 WRs 65% of the time (more than most CB's), faced arguably the toughest WR slate in the league, never gave up a 100 yard game, 11 games under 50 yards, only gave up 2 30+ yard plays, and only 6 td's the whole year against him. He was top 10 in passes defended/ints per target last season.The guy played extremely well. You can't tell me Derek Cox has better technical skills, the guy was cut for a reason, he struggled. These "scouting people" you use don't have a clue if they don't see that. The only way to judge a corners coverage skills is to watch him face top WRs, and Haden was one of the best at stopping them.

[michiganfan8620]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

I can't understand why there is so much negative passion about this. You can't compare what Dan does to EA anyway. He does it for free. LOL They charge us $60. So really if you don't like it so much why spend so much time commenting on something that won't change. You either like it or don't. Make your own site and rate guys how you want to.

Wrong, they charge us $60 for the game not the ratings. The ratings are given out for free on the internet by EA as well. Id like more realistic ratings as well, I'm just pointing out that these are no better than EA's. Too many inconsistencies in this set, at least EA is consistently too high in their ratings.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

I'm used to it, but TBH, I just interpolate and report on the data. I don't grade the players. I think much of this is more a beef with this particular personnel department than with me...at least it should be. I just convert the grades to Madden ratings and offer what explanation I can. I can't tell you which team they come from, but I can tell you that if you call all 32 front offices you will speak with this one eventually by process of elimination. Maybe this guy needs to do that.

BTW...There is something VERY IRONIC in his whole argument for Joe Haden. I will leave it up to you to guess what that irony is. I say no more.

Well I am clueless. But my curiosity is off the charts.

[charter04]

FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Wrong, they charge us $60 for the game not the ratings. The ratings are given out for free on the internet by EA as well. Id like more realistic ratings as well, I'm just pointing out that these are no better than EA's. Too many inconsistencies in this set, at least EA is consistently too high in their ratings.

But the ratings are useless without their game. Donny Moore gets paid. What does Dan owe you? He really doesn't have to explain anything.

If they are so bad then your waisting a lot of time on here.

If you want you could just make your own. Use the time your using Trolling this thread. Just saying


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[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

These "scouting people" you use don't have a clue if they don't see that.

This part right here makes it even more funny!

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Use the time your using Trolling this thread.

I may have to use a typical response for my email inquiries for people like this:

"Consider this my last communication to you in this regard, as attempting to explain anything further will only prove to be a waste of my time."

[DCEBB2001]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Well I am clueless. But my curiosity is off the charts.

Hey man, just read what he is saying and who he is saying it about. Then think what might be ironic about it. That is all I will say about that on a public forum. Off the record, I would explain it. In print, I just can't do it.

[michiganfan8620]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

This part right here makes it even more funny!

How does that make it funny? Any scout who thinks Derek Cox is better than Joe Haden has no clue what he's talking about. A corner who struggled to cover WRs is better at man coverage than one of the best cover corners in the league. You act like this scouting department knows everything, and dismiss anyone else's opinions on a player. If you asked every single coach in the NFL who he'd want as a cover corner, all 32 would say Haden.

[Hooe]

Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

Okay guys, it's clear there's an irreconcilable disagreement here. Drop it and move on from this discussion.

Thanks.