Madden NFL 15 Top 5 Quarterbacks

[Cavicchi]

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First off, having an effective running game will help any QB. Second, I would take a WR group of Balwin, Rice, and Harvin in a heartbeat over the ever so injured and inexperienced Patriots receivers of last year.

So how many games did Rice and Harvin play last year during regular season?

[vrtkolman]

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First off, having an effective running game will help any QB. Second, I would take a WR group of Balwin, Rice, and Harvin in a heartbeat over the ever so injured and inexperienced Patriots receivers of last year.

Rice barely played last year and Harvin only played in 1 regular season game. Golden Tate was Seattle's top WR last year which says a lot about the lack of receiving options Seattle had to work with. Wilson also didn't really have a receiving threat at tight end as Zach Miller is a blocker at this point of his career.

Brady is a better QB than Wilson yeah, but if Brady were on Seattle last year he would have been on IR after week 2. Seattle's offensive line was that bad and their receivers had a really hard time getting separation.

I think Wilson's rating is deserved. Wilson pulled a bunch of wins out of his *** by keeping plays alive with his legs. They played a lot of top 10 and even top 5 defenses last year and Wilson still managed to keep his rating above 100.

To the comment where he can't carry a team, that's a load of bull. He completed 75% of his passes and had over 300 yards passing against Carolina, had 230 yards and 3 TD's at Arizona, and in maybe the biggest regular season game of the year had over 300 yards and 3 TD's against New Orleans. All three of those teams were top 5 defenses last year (or right around there).

[charter04]

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I agree with this. It's kind of like the "Styles make fights" argument. Kaepernick and Wilson aren't better quarterbacks than Manning or Brady. However, against the Seahawks Kaepernick is better than Manning because of his athleticism and ability to match up physically to the Seahawks. Who was better? Manning in the Superbowl or Kaepernick in the NFC championship game vs the Seahawks? And no I'm not speaking of pure stats. I'm speaking of effectiveness, i.e. a tipped pass away from winning vs getting blown out.

Same can be said for Wilson. He was better against the Broncos in the Superbowl than Brady was vs the Broncos in the AFC championship game. Why? Because when Brady got pressured he was rendered pretty much helpless because he can't move. When Wilson got pressured vs the Broncos he escaped the pocket, bought a little extra time and converted several crucial 3rd downs.

I'm not sure if you can make those assessments based on how player A played agains a team versus how player B played against that same team. Every week is different. For example Romo had 506 yards and 5 TDs against that Denver D. That doesn't mean he's better than Brady. So much can change from game to game.

[HingleMcCringleberry]

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Rice barely played last year and Harvin only played in 1 regular season game. Golden Tate was Seattle's top WR last year which says a lot about the lack of receiving options Seattle had to work with. Wilson also didn't really have a receiving threat at tight end as Zach Miller is a blocker at this point of his career.

Brady is a better QB than Wilson yeah, but if Brady were on Seattle last year he would have been on IR after week 2. Seattle's offensive line was that bad and their receivers had a really hard time getting separation.

I think Wilson's rating is deserved. Wilson pulled a bunch of wins out of his *** by keeping plays alive with his legs. They played a lot of top 10 and even top 5 defenses last year and Wilson still managed to keep his rating above 100.

To the comment where he can't carry a team, that's a load of bull. He completed 75% of his passes and had over 300 yards passing against Carolina, had 230 yards and 3 TD's at Arizona, and in maybe the biggest regular season game of the year had over 300 yards and 3 TD's against New Orleans. All three of those teams were top 5 defenses last year (or right around there).

The defense held Carolina to 7 pts, and held the high powered saints offense to 7 points. Oh and the Arizona game the score was 31-13 by the 4th Q. To me that sounds like the team carries itself. Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Romo, Brees, to name a few, have consistently carried depleted teams into the playoffs throughout their careers. Wilson hasn't had to... yet.

I need to see what Wilson does without a top 3 ALL TIME defense before I can make the claim that he is elite. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying he hasn't needed to yet.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

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LOL! Russel Wilson...

Anyway I agree, there should not be 4 QB's ahead of Brady, and I'm a Colts fan.

Manning 98
Rodgers 97
Brady and Brees 96
Rivers 94

That sounds about right to me.

Wilson should be an 89-91, same for my boy Andrew Luck, and I guess Cam Newton also.

[Bootzilla]

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I'm not sure if you can make those assessments based on how player A played agains a team versus how player B played against that same team. Every week is different. For example Romo had 506 yards and 5 TDs against that Denver D. That doesn't mean he's better than Brady. So much can change from game to game.

Agreed. Every week is different. And I never said Wilson is better than Brady. That's why I didn't use examples from a week 5 match up like the Tony Romo example. I used the very next game. Same with Manning vs Seattle's defense vs what Kaepernick was able to do against it.

Just trying to show that a certain players' skill set may be more conducive to having success against certain defenses. Where has Brady struggled? Against the Giants and Ravens or any team that could get him off his mark with a pass rush. Primarily a rush in his face. I'm saying vs those types of teams maybe a Russell Wilson is better suited to defeat them because of his mobility/escapability. And it may just be those one or two plays that Wilson is able to keep a drive alive by using his feet or buying that extra second that allows his team to sustain a drive or keep his defense fresh and off of the field that dictates whether or not they win or lose the game.

[Hiro1]

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That's my big question. What scheme are these overalls based on? With the introduction of schemes in madden overalls fluctuate from system to system.

[bucky60]

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That's my big question. What scheme are these overalls based on? With the introduction of schemes in madden overalls fluctuate from system to system.

Then there is the question of whether scheme really means anything as far as production on the field. The 85 that drops to a 75 due to scheme, does there production drop as well? If not, then what good are schemes in CFM? If the production doesn't drop, then it makes it advantageous to get players out of your scheme for the lower contracts. My 70 D.Harris was actually more productive than my 85 Lacey.

[charter04]

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That's my big question. What scheme are these overalls based on? With the introduction of schemes in madden overalls fluctuate from system to system.

Overalls aren't affected by scheme in play now. These are base ratings. They only change in CFM. Even then you can look at your depth chart in game and see the real ratings.


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[hoopla32]

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Russell Wilson having the same overall rating as Tom Brady is so comical, and so obviously bad that it's not even really worth discussion. Anyone with a brain would agree that it's just embarrassingly facepalm worthy.

Having him rated higher than guys like Rivers and Luck is a slap in the face, too, in my opinion. I'm sure you could make a case for a handful of other QBs to have a higher rating than Wilson, too.

[Hiro1]

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Then there is the question of whether scheme really means anything as far as production on the field. The 85 that drops to a 75 due to scheme, does there production drop as well? If not, then what good are schemes in CFM? If the production doesn't drop, then it makes it advantageous to get players out of your scheme for the lower contracts. My 70 D.Harris was actually more productive than my 85 Lacey.

By production are you talking CPU simmed games or user games?

Overalls don't affect anything in user played games as far as I know. Overall is more used as a cheat sheet to tell you who's the better player in your system.

If I have my WR scheme set to (deep threat) my faster wr will have a higher overall than my slow wrs. It doesn't make my fast wr better, it's just a visual so I don't have to go through every attribute.

[bucky60]

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By production are you talking CPU simmed games or user games?

Overalls don't affect anything in user played games as far as I know. Overall is more used as a cheat sheet to tell you who's the better player in your system.

If I have my WR scheme set to (deep threat) my faster wr will have a higher overall than my slow wrs. It doesn't make my fast wr better, it's just a visual so I don't have to go through every attribute.

Production in played games. Overalls are used in salaries. I'm on the fence with how schemes should be implemented. If a player doesn't fit a scheme, shouldn't his production be affected (in played games)? But then, a deep threat scheme would still want "some" possession receivers. How do you create a balance between salary, scheme and player production?

[hanzsomehanz]

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The audicity to put Wilson on the same rank as Brady has created quite a stir - credit the marketing team for that publicity stunt.

We gotta stop nitpicking this matter for its brainy worth (lol) it dont make sense on paper but it is making cents for them in dollars.

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[vrtkolman]

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The defense held Carolina to 7 pts, and held the high powered saints offense to 7 points. Oh and the Arizona game the score was 31-13 by the 4th Q. To me that sounds like the team carries itself. Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Romo, Brees, to name a few, have consistently carried depleted teams into the playoffs throughout their careers. Wilson hasn't had to... yet.

I need to see what Wilson does without a top 3 ALL TIME defense before I can make the claim that he is elite. I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying he hasn't needed to yet.

You have a point with the Carolina game, but the other two games Wilson put up the stats and points to carry them. He's not in control of what the defense does, just because a score was 34-7 and not 34-28 doesn't mean the team is relying on the defense more than the offense. They both did a tremendous job.

[oneamongthefence]

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With Russel Wilson, in order to get his overall where many of you think it's should be, without knowing them all obviously, what stats do you lower? Maybe it is an accurate representation of how he is. Do we drop his ratings just so he "fits" in the scheme of how we perceive him compared to Tom Brady. We would be complaining if it was the other way around. We should rate players how they are and not compared to their peers.