Madden NFL 15 Connected Franchise Details, Trailer and Screenshots

[bucky60]

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I'm not going to touch the scheme should effect production. You have it wrong, and I will leave it at that.

What good is scheme if it doesn't effect production? There is a reason some players are better in certain schemes. And it shows in their production. If my RB's, WR's DT's production is not effected by scheme, then what good is scheme? I could just have 65 rated RB, WR, and DT and pay them peanuts with their production being the same as an 85 rated RB, WR, DT.

You either ignored what I said about front end overall determining salary or are having a hard time processing it. I honestly do not know which it is.

I didn't ignore this. It's just flat out wrong. Scheme overall does effect salary. I saw it on my team, in my franchise.

You never answered my questions as to what run plays you ran andwhat kind of runner is this 65 overall guy. That matters.

And why should it matter? If a 65 guy doesn't fit in the teams scheme and that's why he's 65, why should he be just as productive as an 85 that fits your teams scheme running the exact same plays? I saw the same thing at WR and DT.

Schemes are not ineffective, they work rather well. The shortcomings that are present are due to other gameplay related issues. If you want to take that as some moral victory in this little debate you and I are having go ahead but I just think you do not understand the purpose of schemes.

I understand the purpose of schemes. Whatever is causing the schemes to be ineffective (gameplay related issues) the schemes are still ineffective. You can say my cars just fine, my problem is a flat tire. But the car still isn't moving and won't until the tire gets fixed. Makes my car ineffective.

[lopey986]

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1. EA says they fixed that this year and now the in game overall will match the menu overall (the scheme overall)

2. To be honest I am not sure how overall affects the simulation engine. I remember you (at least I assume it was you) mentioned the Hester thing before but I never noticed that problem so I cannot speak on it.

3. Front end overall is the default rosters that are used in play now. They are the "true" overall. Your trick of changing scheme would not work for two reasons: Once a AI team makes an offer your lowball offer will get declined.More importantly, your scheme does not affect the free agent's asking price. His base overall determines how much money he wants.

1. That's great news.

2. Yeah, I mentioned the Hester example a few times. Someone else mentioned JJ Watt going from like a 99 to a 78 based on scheme which is crazy, he'd be good in anything.

3. I felt like it worked when resigning your own guys before they hit free agency. I feel like I did this with a defensive tackle every time. Set my scheme to the opposite of his and signed him on the cheap because he showed as like a 62 then went back and changed it and he shows as an 80+. I believe it was amobi okoye this always worked with (of course, this is just me gaming the system and I stopped doing so, but that's still a dumb thing).

[bucky60]

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3. Front end overall is the default rosters that are used in play now. They are the "true" overall. Your trick of changing scheme would not work for two reasons: Once a AI team makes an offer your lowball offer will get declined.More importantly, your scheme does not affect the free agent's asking price. His base overall determines how much money he wants.

You can still resign your own players cheap before they go into free agency.

[bucky60]

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3. I felt like it worked when resigning your own guys before they hit free agency. I feel like I did this with a defensive tackle every time. Set my scheme to the opposite of his and signed him on the cheap because he showed as like a 62 then went back and changed it and he shows as an 80+. I believe it was amobi okoye this always worked with (of course, this is just me gaming the system and I stopped doing so, but that's still a dumb thing).

The thing is, you wouldn't even have to change your scheme back because I found the 62 DT was still very productive since his actual ratings don't change.

[ggsimmonds]

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1. That's great news.

2. Yeah, I mentioned the Hester example a few times. Someone else mentioned JJ Watt going from like a 99 to a 78 based on scheme which is crazy, he'd be good in anything.

3. I felt like it worked when resigning your own guys before they hit free agency. I feel like I did this with a defensive tackle every time. Set my scheme to the opposite of his and signed him on the cheap because he showed as like a 62 then went back and changed it and he shows as an 80+. I believe it was amobi okoye this always worked with (of course, this is just me gaming the system and I stopped doing so, but that's still a dumb thing).

Okoye has a "true" overall of 75 I think. So what was happening is that he wanted salary of a 75 overall player even though you viewed him as 80+.
So yeah, you got him cheaper than what you think he may have been worth but it wasn't because you changed to a scheme that undervalued him.

[ggsimmonds]

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What good is scheme if it doesn't effect production? There is a reason some players are better in certain schemes. And it shows in their production. If my RB's, WR's DT's production is not effected by scheme, then what good is scheme? I could just have 65 rated RB, WR, and DT and pay them peanuts with their production being the same as an 85 rated RB, WR, DT.

I have answered this question before. We are talking in circles. You say you do but you actually do not get schemes at all.

I didn't ignore this. It's just flat out wrong. Scheme overall does effect salary. I saw it on my team, in my franchise.

And in my franchise I did not see it. Out of curiosity though I did a google search on the issue and found nothing. So such a obvious exploit of the game and the internet knows nothing?? I would think I would find complaints from online CFM guys wouldn't you??

And why should it matter? If a 65 guy doesn't fit in the teams scheme and that's why he's 65, why should he be just as productive as an 85 that fits your teams scheme running the exact same plays? I saw the same thing at WR and DT.

So it does not matter. Then answer the question. What running plays did you call?

I understand the purpose of schemes. Whatever is causing the schemes to be ineffective (gameplay related issues) the schemes are still ineffective. You can say my cars just fine, my problem is a flat tire. But the car still isn't moving and won't until the tire gets fixed. Makes my car ineffective.

I really don't think you do. You have asked this same question about three times :What good is scheme if it doesn't effect production?
I have answered multiple times yet it continues to be asked.

[lopey986]

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Okoye has a "true" overall of 75 I think. So what was happening is that he wanted salary of a 75 overall player even though you viewed him as 80+.
So yeah, you got him cheaper than what you think he may have been worth but it wasn't because you changed to a scheme that undervalued him.

We're we able to view TRUE OVERALL in the menus of cfm? I felt like there was a way but it was really convoluted and required going through multiple screens. I'm working on getting a copy on eBay so I'll have to check some of these things out again if I do before trading it in.

[lopey986]

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The thing is, you wouldn't even have to change your scheme back because I found the 62 DT was still very productive since his actual ratings don't change.

So what's the point of the scheme then? Why not just stick with true overall and scrap schemes if it isn't going to make any type of adjustment on the game?

(though, as I said, it did make an adjustment for me especially when it came to Hester, so we had a different experience with schemes I guess)

[ggsimmonds]

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We're we able to view TRUE OVERALL in the menus of cfm? I felt like there was a way but it was really convoluted and required going through multiple screens. I'm working on getting a copy on eBay so I'll have to check some of these things out again if I do before trading it in.

Previously we were able to view true overall by using the in game depth chart but EA fixed this.

True overall is simply the overall used in play now. The recent ratings reveal? Those were the true overalls.

I also traded in M25 but am regretting it now lol.

So what's the point of the scheme then? Why not just stick with true overall and scrap schemes if it isn't going to make any type of adjustment on the game?

(though, as I said, it did make an adjustment for me especially when it came to Hester, so we had a different experience with schemes I guess)

It is a roster management assist. More so for the AI but it helps the user too. Take defensive ends as they are the best example. A 4-3 DE is different from a 3-4 DE. Previously a DE would be rated 88 but he could be a horrible fit for a 3-4 defense. So if you ran a 3-4 defense that overall was misleading. Now you get a better indication of how well a player fits your team.

If I still had the game I would run the test with Hester. (scheme)Overall may have an impact on the simulation engine and if it does that was an oversight on the part of EA.

[lopey986]

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Previously we were able to view true overall by using the in game depth chart but EA fixed this.

True overall is simply the overall used in play now. The recent ratings reveal? Those were the true overalls.

I also traded in M25 but am regretting it now lol.


It is a roster management assist. More so for the AI but it helps the user too. Take defensive ends as they are the best example. A 4-3 DE is different from a 3-4 DE. Previously a DE would be rated 88 but he could be a horrible fit for a 3-4 defense. So if you ran a 3-4 defense that overall was misleading. Now you get a better indication of how well a player fits your team.

If I still had the game I would run the test with Hester. (scheme)Overall may have an impact on the simulation engine and if it does that was an oversight on the part of EA.

Fair points. I guess to me the whole thing ended up being way the hell more complicated than it should have been and they should have just kept madden 13s franchise setup instead. Hopefully it all makes more sense this year, at least to me.

[ggsimmonds]

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Fair points. I guess to me the whole thing ended up being way the hell more complicated than it should have been and they should have just kept madden 13s franchise setup instead. Hopefully it all makes more sense this year, at least to me.

They did a pretty bad job of explaining it so quite a few people were confused as to what it was and did. The biggest problem was with how buggy it has been with schemes not sticking after changes. The first year was understandable but it also happened in M25 Owner mode lol.
I can understand why that alone would leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

[lopey986]

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They did a pretty bad job of explaining it so quite a few people were confused as to what it was and did. The biggest problem was with how buggy it has been with schemes not sticking after changes. The first year was understandable but it also happened in M25 Owner mode lol.
I can understand why that alone would leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

Yeah, agreed. I wasn't planning to buy it on release this year but with the best buy trade deal I probably will now since I can get it for 25 bucks.

[bucky60]

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I have answered this question before. We are talking in circles. You say you do but you actually do not get schemes at all.

Yes I do understand schemes. My god. That's why I can see there are deficiencies in how they are represented in the game as opposed to the real NFL.

And in my franchise I did not see it. Out of curiosity though I did a google search on the issue and found nothing. So such a obvious exploit of the game and the internet knows nothing?? I would think I would find complaints from online CFM guys wouldn't you??

I wouldn't know. I don't play online. Just offline CFM.

So it does not matter. Then answer the question. What running plays did you call?

The same for both RB's, Harris and Lacy, with no difference in production. If they are both running the same plays, shouldn't the one fit for the scheme (Lacy) have better production?

I really don't think you do. You have asked this same question about three times :What good is scheme if it doesn't effect production?
I have answered multiple times yet it continues to be asked.

You haven't answered it satisfactorily. That's why it keeps being asked. My 65 RB, WR, DT should not have the same production as my 85 RB, WR, DT. Why do they if they if they don't fit the scheme and schemes are working correctly? Either the GB default schemes are setup incorrectly and don't match the GB default playbook, or schemes don't work correctly.

[bucky60]

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So what's the point of the scheme then? Why not just stick with true overall and scrap schemes if it isn't going to make any type of adjustment on the game?

(though, as I said, it did make an adjustment for me especially when it came to Hester, so we had a different experience with schemes I guess)

I think you are talking about simmed games and I'm talking about played games. It might make a difference in simmed games and not in played games. They both use a different engine.

[BreakingBad2013]

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I was hoping that in CFM they would've change the different tiles (roster management, trades, trade block, settings, depth chart, etc.) to a team specific theme. If I'm the Eagles maybe each one is a different Eagle, or something related. . . Instead its loaded with 49ers and Seahawks I'm sure lol.