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  • Hooe
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 21555

    #1546
    Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

    So I finally had some time to play Madden a bit this weekend, and I spent some time messing around in a Madden 25 CFM, basically doing roster moves and simulating seasons.

    I'm going to have to look into it further, but I'm not entirely convinced that that FBGratings true mean ratings are completely incompatible with CFM based on the rookies I'm seeing the game spit out. The players on the FBGratings website right now are rated on the equal interval method, thus are obviously not going to work with CFM because the OVR ratings are all over the place and that's likely going to throw the CPU contract / free agency / drafting logic for a loop (regardless how the game may play with them, I don't think that's been tested by anyone yet unless Charter04 has completed some teams). That's not faulting the way Dan is rating the players based on the scouting data, not at all; just a fundamental incompatibility.

    Granted, how Madden 15 generates the random draft classes obviously will have some effect on this as to how much of this applies to this year's game, if at all. But my initial impression is that the custom-made rookies in M25 aren't rated on the same scale as the one Donny Moore uses for the base roster file.

    At the very least, I wanna take some time and look at the rookies from the M25 draft classes in detail and see if the attributes come close to matching (i.e. the mean and standard deviation is close; I don't know what I define as "close" yet, though, any ideas?).

    Definitions for refresher:
    - FBGratings equal interval ratings: every player is graded in every field on a 0-100 scale, ignoring entirely how the game functions. This is how the website is currently rating players.
    - FBGratings true mean ratings: the equal-interval ratings are scaled to better match expected values within the Madden NFL game. This is how the website was rating players earlier this summer, back in May and June.

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    • charter04
      Tecmo Super Bowl = GOAT
      • May 2010
      • 5740

      #1547
      Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

      Originally posted by CM Hooe
      So I finally had some time to play Madden a bit this weekend, and I spent some time messing around in a Madden 25 CFM, basically doing roster moves and simulating seasons.

      I'm going to have to look into it further, but I'm not entirely convinced that that FBGratings true mean ratings are completely incompatible with CFM based on the rookies I'm seeing the game spit out. The players on the FBGratings website right now are rated on the equal interval method, thus are obviously not going to work with CFM because the OVR ratings are all over the place and that's likely going to throw the CPU contract / free agency / drafting logic for a loop (regardless how the game may play with them, I don't think that's been tested by anyone yet unless Charter04 has completed some teams). That's not faulting the way Dan is rating the players based on the scouting data, not at all; just a fundamental incompatibility.

      Granted, how Madden 15 generates the random draft classes obviously will have some effect on this as to how much of this applies to this year's game, if at all. But my initial impression is that the custom-made rookies in M25 aren't rated on the same scale as the one Donny Moore uses for the base roster file.

      At the very least, I wanna take some time and look at the rookies from the M25 draft classes in detail and see if the attributes come close to matching (i.e. the mean and standard deviation is close; I don't know what I define as "close" yet, though, any ideas?).

      Definitions for refresher:
      - FBGratings equal interval ratings: every player is graded in every field on a 0-100 scale, ignoring entirely how the game functions. This is how the website is currently rating players.
      - FBGratings true mean ratings: the equal-interval ratings are scaled to better match expected values within the Madden NFL game. This is how the website was rating players earlier this summer, back in May and June.

      I completely agree. This is what I brought up to Dan via PM.

      The main reason people complain about the rookies being rated so bad is because they are being compared to stock EA ratings. If compared to ratings done in the true mean method they fit better.

      I follow Matt Miller on Twitter and I'm pretty sure I remember him mentioning his work on Madden 25 rookie class ratings. He's a writer with scouting background and so maybe that explains why the rookies coming in seem to not be done by Donny Moore
      www.twitch.tv/charter04

      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPW...59SqVtXXFQVknw

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      • sword1986
        Banned
        • Nov 2011
        • 1041

        #1548
        Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

        I like these rosters a lot, but they will be meaningless in CFM if we cannot edit the rookies in Madden CFM. As someone pointed out, the generated rookies will go by Donny Moore's scale and be way out of proportion. Ratings have to go with contract size too.

        Oh well, it'd be nice to use for the Exhibition player, a shame these rosters can't be used after year 1.

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        • DCEBB2001
          MVP
          • Nov 2008
          • 2569

          #1549
          Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

          UPDATE:

          All player movement is updated as of this morning's transactions and ratings changes. You will now see players who have improved or regressed based on injuries, performance, and projection. Note that a player who has changed recently will have a + or - designation on each roster list when viewed by OVR ratings.

          Dan B.
          Player Ratings Administrator
          www.fbgratings.com/members
          NFL Scout
          www.nfldraftscout.com/members

          Petition to EA for FBG Ratings:
          https://www.change.org/p/ea-sports-t...bers-index-php

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          • charter04
            Tecmo Super Bowl = GOAT
            • May 2010
            • 5740

            #1550
            Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

            I finally finished the second team with the new ratings. I'll broadcast a game soon
            www.twitch.tv/charter04

            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPW...59SqVtXXFQVknw

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            • SiNsinNatti
              Pro
              • Jul 2014
              • 0

              #1551
              Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

              Yes. Eli 71... Thank you FBG. Lol. On a serious note keep up the good work. It would be dope if the rookies generated were based on in game player ratings so these could work long term in CFM.
              The Red Zone
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              • charter04
                Tecmo Super Bowl = GOAT
                • May 2010
                • 5740

                #1552
                Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                Originally posted by SiNsinNatti
                Yes. Eli 71... Thank you FBG. Lol. On a serious note keep up the good work. It would be dope if the rookies generated were based on in game player ratings so these could work long term in CFM.

                Wow. I never actually thought of that but, let's hope that's true. I doubt it but, I can still dream. I do wonder how they are being generated as far as ratings. I really hope it's based on the rosters that are in the CFM your actually in. We can't get that lucky though right? Lol
                www.twitch.tv/charter04

                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPW...59SqVtXXFQVknw

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                • WingWest36
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 44

                  #1553
                  Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                  I definitely agree with charter and the rest of you guys when it comes to having the attributes adjusted based on in game player ratings. The rosters prior to the recent overhaul made me optimistic about grabbing a copy of M15. It seems as if it would be unlikely that FBG would go back to the previous rating set (before 7/30), but I still enjoy the current model based off of what I've tested.
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                  • DCEBB2001
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 2569

                    #1554
                    Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                    Originally posted by WingWest36
                    I definitely agree with charter and the rest of you guys when it comes to having the attributes adjusted based on in game player ratings. The rosters prior to the recent overhaul made me optimistic about grabbing a copy of M15. It seems as if it would be unlikely that FBG would go back to the previous rating set (before 7/30), but I still enjoy the current model based off of what I've tested.
                    Yeah the last set before this was a trial from March to July. The distribution still had way too many 99s and things like that because Madden requires inflated attributes in order to bump their OVRs. The equal-interval ratings on the site presently are probably what I am going to stick with as it requires less post-source-data alteration.
                    Dan B.
                    Player Ratings Administrator
                    www.fbgratings.com/members
                    NFL Scout
                    www.nfldraftscout.com/members

                    Petition to EA for FBG Ratings:
                    https://www.change.org/p/ea-sports-t...bers-index-php

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                    • DCEBB2001
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 2569

                      #1555
                      Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                      Originally posted by SiNsinNatti
                      Yes. Eli 71... Thank you FBG. Lol. On a serious note keep up the good work. It would be dope if the rookies generated were based on in game player ratings so these could work long term in CFM.
                      Don't thank FBG - thank the scouts that bumped his ratings. I don't control what the scouting grades are, I just report the results as Madden ratings.
                      Dan B.
                      Player Ratings Administrator
                      www.fbgratings.com/members
                      NFL Scout
                      www.nfldraftscout.com/members

                      Petition to EA for FBG Ratings:
                      https://www.change.org/p/ea-sports-t...bers-index-php

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                      • DCEBB2001
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 2569

                        #1556
                        Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                        Originally posted by charter04
                        Wow. I never actually thought of that but, let's hope that's true. I doubt it but, I can still dream. I do wonder how they are being generated as far as ratings. I really hope it's based on the rosters that are in the CFM your actually in. We can't get that lucky though right? Lol
                        I haven't seen that happen yet even in the old PS2 days. Usually there are already set ranges for attributes, which would still have made the true-mean ratings off from the rookies. Madden doesn't rate all players on the same scale with the same data - they do it by position - erroneously I may add.
                        Dan B.
                        Player Ratings Administrator
                        www.fbgratings.com/members
                        NFL Scout
                        www.nfldraftscout.com/members

                        Petition to EA for FBG Ratings:
                        https://www.change.org/p/ea-sports-t...bers-index-php

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                        • PainTrain43
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 18

                          #1557
                          Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                          I honestly love FBG Madden ratings....much better than Donny Moore's garbage ratings....but the problem is it really doesnt work in franchise/CCM. As stated, since new rookies in the game come out so much higher, all players except elite and great players end up getting replaced, even though by FBG ratings, they are decent players.

                          I realized this was an issue on Madden 12 for PS3. Played a great first season, and then the second season, most CPU teams were filled with UDFAs and some free agents and rookies.

                          Sad, because they game plays so much more realistic with these ratings. Wish Donny Moore would get fired.

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                          • Knelltone
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 25

                            #1558
                            Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                            Originally posted by DCEBB2001
                            The interview I had, however, was in 2011, long after I took over rating players on the website and long after I started to become skeptical of EA's Madden series. I applied for the position at the request of an EA employee who found my site and recommended me to the brass at EA-Tiburon in Orlando. It was my hope that I could help change things for the better in regards to providing real data for rating Madden players.

                            What I found out in the interview was unexpected, and I left the conversation with the developers with more of a feeling of hopelessness. Hopelessness for an improved, realistic, true-to-life, Madden-gaming experience that mimics the NFL and lives up to EA's catchy slogan. What I found instead was utter disappointment. If EA asked me to join the team today and rate players with no restrictions and threat of amendment, I would take the job in a heartbeat. Not for my own personal goals (my current day job probably pays more than EA would offer), but for the sake of the community that desperately wants a game that represents real life.
                            Can you elaborate on your interview and why exactly you felt "hopeless" afterwards?

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                            • DCEBB2001
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 2569

                              #1559
                              Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                              Originally posted by Knelltone
                              Can you elaborate on your interview and why exactly you felt "hopeless" afterwards?
                              You can find the answer to this earlier in the thread circa August, 2011.
                              Dan B.
                              Player Ratings Administrator
                              www.fbgratings.com/members
                              NFL Scout
                              www.nfldraftscout.com/members

                              Petition to EA for FBG Ratings:
                              https://www.change.org/p/ea-sports-t...bers-index-php

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                              • bbuf0733
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 55

                                #1560
                                Re: FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

                                Originally posted by Knelltone
                                Can you elaborate on your interview and why exactly you felt "hopeless" afterwards?

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