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  • Bowinkle08
    Rookie
    • Mar 2014
    • 184

    #31
    -good vid. play and animations look smoother.
    -less clunky.
    -i didnt see any animations that leave the player control-less although i did see the same layup animation over and over where the guy would go up for a layup and put his shoulder into the defender then lean the other way and do a scoop layup.
    -you can definitely see the help defense but it looks too aggressive cuz it opens up huge passing lanes.
    -floor spacing didnt look that good. when #5 went to back down at 3:49 the post player looked like he just (ran to his spot) as usual instead of letting the player back down.
    -loose ball physics still look a bit iffy but rebounds and boxing out looks much better

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    • El_Poopador
      MVP
      • Oct 2013
      • 2624

      #32
      Re: Gamescom Euroleague Gameplay

      Originally posted by eko718
      They were playing zone in this vid at some points.
      True, but even when they played man to man, it was roughly the same positioning. It's hard to tell for sure, because the user rarely actually ran a half court set, but that was just the impression I got from what was there.

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      • Man2116
        Rookie
        • Jun 2012
        • 36

        #33
        Around the 5 min mark you can see that there is still no aggressiveness to get the ball when it hits the floor on a rebound, that was a major point for me as sim player. There is no way players can be that oblivious to the ball and where its at on loose balls and rebounds of that type. Looks better the more I see tho, its just the little things they need to fix for me to really immerse myself in the game.

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        • Krodis
          Rookie
          • Jul 2008
          • 491

          #34
          Re: Gamescom Euroleague Gameplay

          Originally posted by El_Poopador
          True, but even when they played man to man, it was roughly the same positioning. It's hard to tell for sure, because the user rarely actually ran a half court set, but that was just the impression I got from what was there.
          Players sagging off their man to help the paint is just modern defense though.

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          • El_Poopador
            MVP
            • Oct 2013
            • 2624

            #35
            Re: Gamescom Euroleague Gameplay

            Originally posted by Krodis
            Players sagging off their man to help the paint is just modern defense though.
            In some cases, yes. But not to the extent that it is in the game. And the offensive AI should take advantage of sagging defenders, which doesn't really happen. The offense handcuffs themselves by just standing in the same spot while the defense takes away the lane before the ball is even on the floor.

            In any case, my issue with it is that the same person can cover both the paint and the perimeter at the same time because of the closeout speeds and lack of a real momentum system.
            Last edited by El_Poopador; 08-15-2014, 01:35 PM.

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            • shmitty
              Rookie
              • Apr 2009
              • 208

              #36
              Re: Gamescom Euroleague Gameplay

              Originally posted by Man2116
              Around the 5 min mark you can see that there is still no aggressiveness to get the ball when it hits the floor on a rebound, that was a major point for me as sim player. There is no way players can be that oblivious to the ball and where its at on loose balls and rebounds of that type. Looks better the more I see tho, its just the little things they need to fix for me to really immerse myself in the game.
              Originally posted by El_Poopador
              In some cases, yes. But not to the extent that it is in the game. And the offensive AI should take advantage of sagging defenders, which doesn't really happen. The offense handcuffs themselves by just standing in the same spot while the defense takes away the lane before the ball is even on the floor.

              In any case, my issue with it is that the same person can cover both the paint and the perimeter at the same time because of the closeout speeds and lack of a real momentum system.




              2 of my biggest gripes. Almost makes MyPlayer unplayable.


              Everything else looks really good. Would just like for the AI to move the ball with purpose and attack the defense quicker.
              Did this dude just did this?

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              • luda06
                Pro
                • Sep 2008
                • 572

                #37
                Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Euroleague: Real Madrid vs. Bayern München

                Wow, 4 pages in and no-one mentions how spectacular the help defense appears compared to the HOT mess that is within 2K14? C'mon guys?

                I watched about a minute and some change into the footage, and there's a lot to take away from it.

                I love how defenses load up the strong side with help coming from the weak-side. Notice how the defense has time to close out on a floaty, cross-court pass @ 1:01. Also, notice how defenders move closer to their assignments as the ball rotates from the strong-side to the middle of the floor. Apparently, helping one pass away is now DEAD.

                I enjoyed seeing how the A.I. rotated the ball from strong to weak-side, before ending with an isolation, as time slowly expired. It's not efficient, but it's logical.

                The transition defense looks to be better, even though I'm not sure. Anyways, the ball gets pushed up the floor, and all five defenders rush back before the offense sets up. In 2K14, defenders would sometimes jog up the floor late, and those who are already back, are clueless as to who they should pick up. Generally, that led to exploitable situations by both the A.I. and user. Lots of cherry picked hail Mary passes, or wide open transition three pointers on the strong-side, since the defense decided to bunch up on the weak-side for no apparent reason.

                @ 1:21, the extra defender's assignment isn't there yet, so he helps out on the ball-handler. Poor spacing is also seen by the offense, as another wing crowds the ball-handler for no apparent reason, allowing a quasi triple-team to occur for a brief moment.

                Also, pay attention to the black guard at the top of the arc on the strong side. He's HELPING THE HELPER!!! Is this a first in the history of NBA 2K? Seriously. I've never seen such intelligence displayed by the A.I. EVER in 2K. Wow.

                Alright, what I don't like to see is right after the opening tip. I hate how the defense doesn't get in position to deny passes into the paint like that. There's an overall lack of awareness for a few seconds, and a few seconds is all an experienced player needs to take advantage.

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                • El_Poopador
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 2624

                  #38
                  Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Euroleague: Real Madrid vs. Bayern München

                  Here's an example I grabbed from the video regarding my issues with spacing and AI:



                  There is absolutely nothing that can be done on offense with that. The ball handler can't take his man 1v1 off the dribble, because there are already two other defenders in the lane. They're also in position to steal a potential pass to the post, and they're fast enough to close out on either pass to the wings. The off-ball teammates on the wings don't really move, until one of them decides to cut into the middle of the paint, clogging things up even more.

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                  • Sundown
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 3270

                    #39
                    NBA 2K15 Video - Euroleague: Real Madrid vs. Bayern München

                    Originally posted by El_Poopador
                    Here's an example I grabbed from the video regarding my issues with spacing and AI:







                    There is absolutely nothing that can be done on offense with that. The ball handler can't take his man 1v1 off the dribble, because there are already two other defenders in the lane. They're also in position to steal a potential pass to the post, and they're fast enough to close out on either pass to the wings. The off-ball teammates on the wings don't really move, until one of them decides to cut into the middle of the paint, clogging things up even more.

                    Um, drive on one side or the other to collapse the double team further and pass out for the shot? Agree on close out speeds however.
                    Last edited by Sundown; 08-15-2014, 02:20 PM.

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                    • hakeemdaprince
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 50

                      #40
                      Floaty passes,too many freethrows starting the game, and my favorite "leaning lay up cheese" is back

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                      • eko718
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 2257

                        #41
                        Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Euroleague: Real Madrid vs. Bayern München

                        Originally posted by El_Poopador
                        Here's an example I grabbed from the video regarding my issues with spacing and AI:



                        There is absolutely nothing that can be done on offense with that. The ball handler can't take his man 1v1 off the dribble, because there are already two other defenders in the lane. They're also in position to steal a potential pass to the post, and they're fast enough to close out on either pass to the wings. The off-ball teammates on the wings don't really move, until one of them decides to cut into the middle of the paint, clogging things up even more.
                        It remains to be seen if the AI will have the same habits when using NBA teams but the from the vids I've seen so far the NBA defense looks different. Of course, the no 3 seconds in the lane rule for international play allows crowding of the lane which is why similar to college ball, there is generally less opportunity to penetrate.. so its cool to see it simulated in this mode, though I do agree with some of your general concerns about player spacing.

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                        • KingofATL
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 84

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Mintsa
                          That was the best video so far. Can't wait to get the game. Cant wait for a demo (hopefully).

                          Was it just me or did that game really have a "euroleague" feel to it ???

                          It seemed different than the Heat/Spurs gameplay.
                          AGREED!!!!!

                          The game felt and looked like Euro League play. Nice job by 2K on that part.

                          Gameplay was fluid and the transition animations from dribbling to shooting were much smoother and more realistic than in previous years. Hopefully when the game is released we will see even greater and better improvements.

                          I just wish they would add more old school teams.

                          Like:

                          2000-2002 ~ L.A. Lakers (Championship Teams 3-Peat)

                          2011 ~ Dallas Mavericks (Championship Team)

                          2000 ~ Indiana Pacers (It's Miller Time)

                          1993 ~ Phoenix Suns (Sir Charles was a beast this year)

                          2003-04 ~ Detroit Pistons (Championship Team)


                          2007 Cleveland Cavilers (LeBron took Cavs to Finals)
                          Last edited by KingofATL; 08-15-2014, 07:55 PM.

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                          • Flightwhite24
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 12095

                            #43
                            Re: NBA 2K15 Video - Euroleague: Real Madrid vs. Bayern München

                            Game looks really good!!!
                            The poster formerly know as "FLIGHTWHITE"

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                            • bmgoff11
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 108

                              #44
                              would be dope if during your myplayer career you get to play for USA or the country you are from in the fiba championships.

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