EA Access Gives You Just Six Hours Of Madden NFL 15 Gameplay

[ubernoob]

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Is my fanboyism clouding my level of optimism?

Very much so, to put it bluntly.

I'm not saying it's impossible for that to happen - nothing is impossible. There's a very very small chance that it would ever happen though.

I'd say "hopefully it does" for those that want it... but I don't want EA to continue getting paid (for reasons other than sports games. Their sports games are just fine for what they are.)

Messed up what EA did, theirs no way to justify not disclosing all terms upon announcement of the program.

Uhh... They absolutely DID disclose the terms, to everybody, the day it was announced. Except they said two and over-delivered here.

[Beardown]

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So am I the only one that feels like EA just may reverse this decision based on all the negative feedback? Sure, it'd be reactive, but they have the power to this for Madden. A LOT of people canceled their subscription after hearing this news. I'm not arguing the value of thedeal, it's actually a great deal...but I think it's safe to assume that a lot of gamers would've held out for a while had the Madden specifics been known from the jump. Madden is on its own island, and for many of us, this is the only game we get AS HYPED for, every year. Am I alone in thinking there may be a reversal? Is my fanboyism clouding my level of optimism?

If EA had announced 6 hours in the beginning and there was backlash maybe there would be a chance but seeing as how they waited for no reason that tells you they knew gamers would not be happy. So this reaction is not unexpected and thus the chances for a reversal are low.

[Gorilla Glass]

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I know.

I even said this here, multiple times. Almost exactly 3 weeks ago. You know how long it took for someone (that's even in this thread defending this 'decision' [which it never really was]) to tell me I was wrong? Five. Five minutes.

Everyone got their hopes up for no reason. They did this to themselves, in all honesty. I know everyone wanted it early but that was never going to be part of EA Access.

Many were under the impression that this was a service to replace the Season ticket, especially since the service was pulled and EA stalled out on the Madden Demo.

I'm very curious on when the decision to come up with 6 hours of gameplay. In the context of Madden 15 what's the telemetry on that number 6.

[ubernoob]

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Many were under the impression that this was a service to replace the Season ticket, especially since the service was pulled and EA stalled out on the Madden Demo.

I'm very curious on when the decision to come up with 6 hours of gameplay. In the context of Madden 15 what's the telemetry on that number 6.

Unsure where the 6 hours decision came from, but those under that impression is only their own fault.

It was stated many times. Both by EA and Microsoft/Major Nelson and users here.

Mob mentality here had everyone drooling over getting the game early when that was never the case, and they didn't want to listen.

[aholbert32]

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I know.

I even said this here, multiple times. Almost exactly 3 weeks ago. You know how long it took for someone (that's even in this thread defending this 'decision' [which it never really was]) to tell me I was wrong? Five. Five minutes.

Everyone got their hopes up for no reason. They did this to themselves, in all honesty. I know everyone wanted it early but that was never going to be part of EA Access.

I think thats a little disingenuous. There were multiple reasons to get your hopes up.

1) With the exception of the Vault, this program is very similar to EA's Season Ticket. Its not unreasonable to assume that Access would be similar to Season Ticket when it came to game trials.

2) There is no reason to limit sports games to amount as low as a 6 hrs. This isnt Dragon Age where someone could beat the game within those hrs. Shoot, even with Season Ticket I wasnt able to complete a mode in any sports game with the entire weekend.

3) EA was being purposely vague about the length of time for sports games with the "no shorter than 2 hrs" line. They knew people would assume it would be similar to ST and Madden fans who were overeager would jump the gun and subscribe to the service. "No shorter" is open ended and could mean the entire weekend or 2 hrs and 1 minute. The only thing people had to go on was the time they give for ST.

Now should people have waited before purchasing? Sure. Thats why I'm not mad about the one month I paid for. But lets not act like EA didnt play a role in people getting their hopes up.

[ubernoob]

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I think thats a little disingenuous. There were multiple reasons to get your hopes up.

1) With the exception of the Vault, this program is very similar to EA's Season Ticket. Its not unreasonable to assume that Access would be similar to Season Ticket when it came to game trials.

2) There is no reason to limit sports games to amount as low as a 6 hrs. This isnt Dragon Age where someone could beat the game within those hrs. Shoot, even with Season Ticket I wasnt able to complete a mode in any sports game with the entire weekend.

3) EA was being purposely vague about the length of time for sports games with the "no shorter than 2 hrs" line. They knew people would assume it would be similar to ST and Madden fans who were overeager would jump the gun and subscribe to the service. "No shorter" is open ended and could mean the entire weekend or 2 hrs and 1 minute. The only thing people had to go on was the time they give for ST.

Now should people have waited before purchasing? Sure. Thats why I'm not mad about the one month I paid for. But lets not act like EA didnt play a role in people getting their hopes up.

I hate doing this, because (as I said above) I despise EA and I have to shower after 'defending' them... but they didn't really mislead anyone here. They may have been vague about the specific time, but not about what the program entails.

Their press release specifically said that it would be a trial of all games.

This is pulled directly from their press release on their site that was posted July 29.

Play First – Membership in EA Access lets you experience trials of new EA games up to five days before the release date.* It starts with Madden NFL 15, NHL 15, FIFA 15, NBA LIVE 15, and Dragon Age: Inquisition, but more are on the way. If you decide to buy the game, your progress will carry over so you can pick up right where you left off.

It's just a case of groupthink getting to people in this instance.

(edit: I don't despise EA Sports, just EA in general. Sports is actually the one part of EA I don't absolutely despise.)

[aholbert32]

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I hate doing this, because (as I said above) I despise EA and I have to shower after 'defending' them... but they didn't really mislead anyone here. They may have been vague about the specific time, but not about what the program entails.

Their press release specifically said that it would be a trial of all games.

This is pulled directly from their press release on their site that was posted July 29.



It's just a case of groupthink getting to people in this instance.

(edit: I don't despise EA Sports, just EA in general. Sports is actually the one part of EA I don't absolutely despise.)

I dont get your point here. A trial can be a whole weekend or 1 hr. Season Ticket was considered a trial too.

[Mauer4MVP]

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I hate doing this, because (as I said above) I despise EA and I have to shower after 'defending' them... but they didn't really mislead anyone here. They may have been vague about the specific time, but not about what the program entails.

Their press release specifically said that it would be a trial of all games.

This is pulled directly from their press release on their site that was posted July 29.



It's just a case of groupthink getting to people in this instance.

(edit: I don't despise EA Sports, just EA in general. Sports is actually the one part of EA I don't absolutely despise.)

A trial could be mean no time limit. There are 14 and 30 day trials for plenty of services. No reason it couldn't have been a full 5 day trial. That is a bad example.

[Gorilla Glass]

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I dont get your point here. A trial can be a whole weekend or 1 hr. Season Ticket was considered a trial too.

A trial period is a non specific time period and Season Ticket is more of a 'trial' because subscribers weren't afforded full access.

[speedtrucker]

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I think thats a little disingenuous. There were multiple reasons to get your hopes up.

1) With the exception of the Vault, this program is very similar to EA's Season Ticket. Its not unreasonable to assume that Access would be similar to Season Ticket when it came to game trials.

2) There is no reason to limit sports games to amount as low as a 6 hrs. This isnt Dragon Age where someone could beat the game within those hrs. Shoot, even with Season Ticket I wasnt able to complete a mode in any sports game with the entire weekend.

3) EA was being purposely vague about the length of time for sports games with the "no shorter than 2 hrs" line. They knew people would assume it would be similar to ST and Madden fans who were overeager would jump the gun and subscribe to the service. "No shorter" is open ended and could mean the entire weekend or 2 hrs and 1 minute. The only thing people had to go on was the time they give for ST.

Now should people have waited before purchasing? Sure. Thats why I'm not mad about the one month I paid for. But lets not act like EA didnt play a role in people getting their hopes up.

1. with the exception... that's like the main selling point they made about EA Access. the first thing promoted by EA was the Vault, then the 10% discount and then the early access.

2. I guess, I not really gonna argue the point with you but I'll say that if I had 5 full days with Madden that I would not be buying the game after that. granted, I'm not buying madden this year(I'll wait for it to be added to the vault) but 5 full days including a weekend and I'd have 6 months of play logged.

3. I'll rent you my car for $50, you can use it for at least 2 hours this weekend. do you think that there might be a possibility that you're only gonna be able to use it for 2 hours? I get what you are saying that there is a portion of the crowd that will jump to conclusions and right away think 5 DAYS UNLIMITED!!!! but that was never stated by anyone at EA. when I first bought it and looked at the early access, I actually thought it would be for those who bought madden digitally could play it early for 5 days. I was like welp I'm out, then I reread everything and found out that I would also get access but for 6 hours. fine print is a tricky thing if you don't read it.


for me, I bought EA Access for the vault. I sold my copies of BF4 and FIFA14 for $63, bought the EA Access and had the games back again plus whatever they add between now and next august. the early access thing is icing on the cake, however much time they allow for each title that they give early access to.

[ricky24]

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I dont get your point here. A trial can be a whole weekend or 1 hr. Season Ticket was considered a trial too.

A trial can be any amount of time. That is exactly his point.

[aholbert32]

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A trial can be any amount of time. That is exactly his point.

That doesnt make sense because thats exactly what I said in my original post and he used the trial statement as a counter to my post. My point is that they left it purposely vague knowing that people would assume it was similar to ST.

I'm not saying EA is completely in the wrong for this but lets not act like they didnt play a role in creating this confusion or anger from customers.

[ubernoob]

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I dont get your point here. A trial can be a whole weekend or 1 hr. Season Ticket was considered a trial too.

I definitely get your point, and I'm not trying to be argumentative (well, too much at least) or worse but...

A) It did say trial. Now you are correct in that nowhere does this imply a time limit.
B) The said a minimum of two hours. I had actually raised my guess to 8-12 hours on twitter when Scott and I talked about this recently. This implies a "relatively" short time period is what they were thinking for.
C) This isn't named Season Ticket, for a reason. Don't put it past EA to bring back Season Ticket before the next Madden in addition to EA Access. EA proper is the king of double dipping and money grubbing practices.

I don't really hang out in the sports games forums proper too much, but everything about this (at least when taken together) was pointing to getting a (relatively) limited time with both Madden and all the other games they will offer in the future on this service.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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It says gameplay hours so can i just browse the MUT menus without the 6 hours going by?

I am sure just the game being booted and being in the menu's constitutes gameplay time.

[Beardown]

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No reason to argue over this in my view, other than to pass the time, to me it is pretty simple. I just needed to answer one question;

Do you think EA would have sold more, the same or less subscriptions if they had said 6 hours at the announcement of the product?

If you answered more or the same you should keep it, if you answered less which is how I answered then you should cancel your renewal as I did. I think EA Access is good value but I cancelled anyway as I think what they did was not treating their customers, me, in the right way.

They will still have a chance to win me back but if not no skin off their nose or mine.