Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

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  • CT Pitbull
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    • Aug 2010
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    #61
    Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

    Originally posted by DETROITROB
    Stafford doesnt crack the top 10?


    If Cutler doesn't, Stafford definitely doesn't. How many playoff victories does Stafford have? And the whole Kaepernick issue is looking like he's gonna take a big step backwards this year. Its only preseason but he has looked pretty bad so far. Maybe because hes not running like he will during the real season.If they try to make him a throw it down the field guy I think he is gonna struggle. That's not what he does best. The niners were something like 30th in passing offense in 2013. They did NOT win all those games because of Kaep's ability to throw the ball and read defenses. They won on a power running game and a smothering defense.
    Last edited by CT Pitbull; 08-26-2014, 03:38 AM.
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    • coogrfan
      In Fritz We Trust
      • Jul 2002
      • 15646

      #62
      Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

      Originally posted by 9erFan4Life
      Romo and Rivers both better then Kaepernick?

      Absolutely. I'll go a step farther: SF would have hoisted a Lombardi Trophy last year if they had either one of these qbs instead of Kaep.


      Originally posted by 9erFan4Life
      A quarterback that has gotten to the last three NFC title games and he's the 10th best QB in the league. BS

      Let's compare what these qb's had around them using the parameters from my earlier post in this thread:


      2013 Dal def 26th in passer rating against; Dal off was 31st in rushing atts and 18th in rushing tds; Romo was 8th in qb rating; team finished 8-8

      2013 SD def 28th in passer rating against; SD off was 6th in rushing atts and 25th in rushing tds; Rivers was 4th in qb rating; team finished 9-7

      2013 SF def 4th in passer rating against; SF off was 4th in rushing atts and 3rd in rushing tds; Kaep was 10th in qb rating; team finished 12-4

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      • Sheba2011
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        • Oct 2013
        • 2353

        #63
        Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

        Originally posted by rojohpp




        Plus the infamous spy gate and the stolen playbooks. To me Brady is the overrated not Romo.
        Please provide a link to anything about the Patriots stealing playbooks. Mike Pettine made an allegation that Brady told him at Welker's wedding. He claims Nick Saban gave Belichick a copy, A rumor which everyone else involved denies including Rex Ryan who has no reason to defend the Patriots.
        Last edited by Sheba2011; 08-26-2014, 10:30 AM.

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        • Dr Death
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          • May 2009
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          #64
          Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

          Originally posted by coogrfan
          Absolutely. I'll go a step farther: SF would have hoisted a Lombardi Trophy last year if they had either one of these qbs instead of Kaep.
          Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me. Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???

          He's 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
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          • Sheba2011
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            • Oct 2013
            • 2353

            #65
            Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

            Originally posted by Dr Death
            Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me. Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???

            He's 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
            I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.

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            • Dr Death
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              • May 2009
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              #66
              Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

              Originally posted by Sheba2011
              I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.
              I still disagree though. Last year Kaep was without his personal favorite WR most of the year as Michael Crabtree was injured. That affected the entire passing game for the 49ers until Crabtree came back. My feeling is that if Rivers/Romo were on SF last year, they wouldn't have even made the play-offs. JMHO.
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              • coogrfan
                In Fritz We Trust
                • Jul 2002
                • 15646

                #67
                Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                Originally posted by Dr Death
                Well, Coogrfan, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. Romo and Rivers have never even led their team to a SB before, so how you can say that they would have won one with SF is beyond me.

                Umm...because SF's passing game was their only real weakness last year, and both Romo and Rivers are significantly better qb's than Kaep?


                Originally posted by Dr Death
                Some guys are clutch - Romo isn't. Never has been, never will be. Rivers has some nice clutch games in the regular season, but again, what has he done in the play-offs???




                source:
                http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=RomoTo00

                So much for Romo not being "clutch".




                Originally posted by Dr Death
                (Rivers is) 4-5 in the play-offs, not exactly a ringing endorsement. And Romo is 1-3 and last appeared in a play-off game in 2009! Since '09 he's 25-28 as a starting QB. Kaep, on the other hand, is 4-2 in play-offs, with 2 4th quarter comebacks and 3 of those 4 wins were on the road and is 17-6 in the regular season. Huge difference!!!
                Come on, you're better than this. Take a minute and go read post #49 of this thread.
                Last edited by coogrfan; 08-26-2014, 11:23 AM.

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                • coogrfan
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 15646

                  #68
                  Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                  Originally posted by Sheba2011
                  I think he was implying that if Romo or Rivers had the defense and talent that Kap has. Conversely if Kap was on the Chargers or Cowboys we wouldn't even be talking about him.

                  Exactly. Put Kaep on the miserable Cowboy teams of the last 3 seasons and he's Quincy Carter 2.0.

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                  • bc21045
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 105

                    #69
                    Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                    Originally posted by coogrfan
                    Absolutely. I'll go a step farther: SF would have hoisted a Lombardi Trophy last year if they had either one of these qbs instead of Kaep.
                    Despite the fact that Rivers and Romo have both been on very good teams and not gotten it done? Ok.

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                    • Sheba2011
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                      • Oct 2013
                      • 2353

                      #70
                      Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                      Originally posted by Dr Death
                      I still disagree though. Last year Kaep was without his personal favorite WR most of the year as Michael Crabtree was injured. That affected the entire passing game for the 49ers until Crabtree came back. My feeling is that if Rivers/Romo were on SF last year, they wouldn't have even made the play-offs. JMHO.
                      That is your opinion and your entitled to it. I just don't see how you can possibly think they wouldn't make the playoffs with a QB who can throw 4000+ yards, pass for 30+ TD's and have a completion percentage over 60%. With one of these guys they might have had a chance to beat Seattle in the playoffs.

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                      • coogrfan
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 15646

                        #71
                        Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                        Originally posted by bc21045
                        Despite the fact that Rivers and Romo have both been on very good teams and not gotten it done? Ok.


                        Neither has played on a team that was even remotely as talent laden (or as well coached) as the 2011-13 Niners.
                        Last edited by coogrfan; 08-26-2014, 11:38 AM.

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                        • bc21045
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                          • Mar 2004
                          • 105

                          #72
                          Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                          Originally posted by coogrfan
                          Neither has played on a team that was even remotely as talent laden as the 2011-13 Niners.
                          In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?

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                          • Sheba2011
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                            #73
                            Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                            Originally posted by bc21045
                            In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?
                            I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.

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                            • bc21045
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 105

                              #74
                              Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                              Originally posted by Sheba2011
                              I notice when quoting him you conveniently left out the "or as well coached' part.
                              13 win teams are poorly coached?

                              Also I didn't leave it out, it was an edit.
                              Last edited by bc21045; 08-26-2014, 11:57 AM.

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                              • coogrfan
                                In Fritz We Trust
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 15646

                                #75
                                Re: Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

                                Originally posted by bc21045
                                In 2009 the Chargers went 13-3 with the #4 offense and the #11 defense. That same year the Cowboys were 11-5 with the #2 defense and the #7 rushing offense, in 2007 the Cowboys were 13-3 with the #2 offense and #13 defense. They weren't good enough to win?


                                I can't speak to the '09 Chargers, but I can state categorically that neither of the Dallas teams you mentioned could hold a candle to the Harbaugh era Niners.


                                2007 Dallas was by far the best team Romo has played on, but it was also an aging team (especially on the OL). They lost in the divisional round to the Giants because they committed 11 penalties to NY's 3, and because of several critical drops that cost them scoring opportunities.


                                The 2009 Boys did manage to win a playoff game (the only playoff win for this one proud franchise since the end of the 96 season), but then went on to get the hell kicked out of them 34-3 by the Vikings on the road: 6 (!) sacks allowed, -3 in turnovers. The Vikings DL just completely overwhelmed the Boys un-athletic OL, and that was all she wrote.

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