NBA Live 15 Gameplay Videos (Instagram)

[da ThRONe]

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I feel myself actually getting frustrated with your point of view. It's been stated many times that you are the only one who thinks this way. When six people don't agree with you, that means you're WRONG, But you just can't accept that, can you.

Off ball movement and sliders are not even in the same galaxy of conversation. Just like Aholbert32 has said MANY times. That dude has been around since 2002! Your argument and point of view hold little credibility to his. Not to mention several others have laughed and pointed out the flaw in your argument.

Off ball movement should not be an option. That is something key and crucial that needs to be there. This shouldn't even be a debate. Unless NBA Live is trying to make a hybrid NBA Jam/NBA simulation then there's no need to toggle off ball movement. Run plays? Sure. But having your players stand around like statues is not what basketball is. Not even going to try and understand what the developers were thinking on this one.

Seriously Da Throne, you seem like an alright dude, but you need to drop this argument before everyone on this board starts avoiding you like the Ebola virus

1st I'm not going to change my opinion just because I'm the odd man out and shame on people for trying to force someone to buy into groupthink. Think like everyone else or face alienation. Really?



2nd are you even reading my post? I clearly state I have no idea why this would be in the game. I have only disagreed on really two points. Those are that you shouldn't need sliders in order to make the best "SIM" game possible and that "realistic" is far more universal than the masses here seem to think.


The point I'm making is if you are saying to me customer X should have the right to as many options as they can have and I shouldn't have the right to limit customization how is this different? If I can adjust a slider to play a game as unrealistic as I want. How is that different from giving someone the option to do something equally as unrealistic or undo it at the click of a button?


Sliders are far superior because they are so more far reaching and impact so many different areas of the game. However if you are going to tell me I can't dictate what's "SIM" to another person then later say an option should never be in the game because it's not "SIM". Where is that line? When shouldn't an option like this be in a sports title? I'm just trying to get clarity on the subject. I have no idea why somebody would want to not have realistic movement in the game. Likewise I have no idea why somebody would want to turn the slider on 3pointer all the way and never miss a 3 in the half court.

[aholbert32]

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1st I'm not going to change my opinion just because I'm the odd man out and shame on people for trying to force someone to buy into groupthink. Think like everyone else or face alienation. Really?



2nd are you even reading my post? I clearly state I have no idea why this would be in the game. I have only disagreed on really two points. Those are that you shouldn't need sliders in order to make the best "SIM" game possible and that "realistic" is far more universal than the masses here seem to think.


The point I'm making is if you are saying to me customer X should have the right to as many options as they can have and I shouldn't have the right to limit customization how is this different? If I can adjust a slider to play a game as unrealistic as I want. How is that different from giving someone the option to do something equally as unrealistic or undo it at the click of a button?


Sliders are far superior because they are so more far reaching and impact so many different areas of the game. However if you are going to tell me I can't dictate what's "SIM" to another person then later say an option should never be in the game because it's not "SIM". Where is that line? When shouldn't an option like this be in a sports title? I'm just trying to get clarity on the subject. I have no idea why somebody would want to not have realistic movement in the game. Likewise I have no idea why somebody would want to turn the slider on 3pointer all the way and never miss a 3 in the half court.

Sigh...so I guess we should add options to turn off rebounding. Lets add an option so that no one can steal the ball. We can also add options to turn off any kind of special dribbling because some people may find it difficult to do or defend against.

Stop acting like there cant be a line. There is a difference between eliminating fundamentals of a game and tweaking things to make a game less or more realistic.

[tha_show256]

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Well, for me, based off of these short videos that we've been shown. I can't really say that I'm impressed. They almost had me with the improved visuals trailer...then they released the short vids, and now these short vids. It looks like it suffers from the same thing as last year, lack of animations, no where near enough off ball movement, etc, etc...Man, I really want to give this series a chance. I want to have the option of having 2 great basketball games to chose from...but, it doesn't seem viable at this point.

[bkluvsm3]

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I'm not a fan boy of NBA live series or 2k I like both will be buying both as I always do but it just funny how much ppl analyze NBA Live gameplay we can do the same for both games 2k is a great tittle but it's has its flaws as well .....we need competition so let's not bash 1 game and not the other 2k is like madden their only great because it's the only game out live drop the ball yes they deserve everything but we as consumers win if we can get 2 great basketball games do let's look at this in positive prospective

[Money99]

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I own 2K12 and 2K13 and while I liked those games, I actually had more fun with Live 10.
I'm not a diehard and I barely watch basketball. But I've always found the video games to be enjoyable.

I hope Live can get back to where it was.

[WTF]

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Live is back to where it was. It's ahead of where it was. Do NOT base your opinion on what was shown here. There is a reason that a lot went into the onboarding process. GO through it, learn the controls, and enjoy.

And before you all say it, I know, you're basing it on the only thing that you have to base it on currently. I'm just saying, wait for the rest of the coverage coming out. Hell, wait til release and I can stream the game.

[da ThRONe]

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Sigh...so I guess we should add options to turn off rebounding. Lets add an option so that no one can steal the ball. We can also add options to turn off any kind of special dribbling because some people may find it difficult to do or defend against.

Stop acting like there cant be a line. There is a difference between eliminating fundamentals of a game and tweaking things to make a game less or more realistic.

So who determines where that line is though? Sure we can agree that this option should be no where near a videogame. My point again is what if somebody disagrees with both of us and would love to play this motionless game(for some ungodly reason)? What makes you or me the authority on where that line should be? The fair opinion should be the exact one I share of sliders. I don't care if it's in so long as it doesn't set back the "SIM" style of play that the Live team continues to tell me they are trying to create. Personally I have no use for anything outside of the best possible simulation a game developer can deliver.


It's funny because even though we debating each other we really again only share a very small difference of opinion. I just think you misunderstood my point(as initially I may not have expressed myself well enough) and have taken a defense stance on points I'm not trying to argue against. I'm ok with the principles of sliders and I think this whole option to turn off motion is a waste of any amount of development time.

[aholbert32]

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So who determines where that line is though? Sure we can agree that this option should be no where near a videogame. My point again is what if somebody disagrees with both of us and would love to play this motionless game(for some ungodly reason)? What makes you or me the authority on where that line should be? The fair opinion should be the exact one I share of sliders. I don't care if it's in so long as it doesn't set back the "SIM" style of play that the Live team continues to tell me they are trying to create. Personally I have no use for anything outside of the best possible simulation a game developer can deliver.


It's funny because even though we debating each other we really again only share a very small difference of opinion. I just think you misunderstood my point(as initially I may not have expressed myself well enough) and have taken a defense stance on points I'm not trying to argue against. I'm ok with the principles of sliders and I think this whole option to turn off motion is a waste of any amount of development time.

No thats not it at all. Your point has evolved as the conversation has gone on. This was your original post about sliders:

"I don't know why on a new gen system in 2014 why we would need sliders in the 1st place."

Then you spent 4 more posts trying to defend that point.

Now its "The game should be use stats to be Sim at default but give people sliders if they want to tweak the game".

Its not a misunderstanding....your position changed slightly.

I'm not gonna discuss the offball motion anymore because I've stated several times that there is a difference between tweaking a fundamental aspect of the game and completely eliminating it. Might as well give people the option to turn off dribbling.

[aholbert32]

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Live is back to where it was. It's ahead of where it was. Do NOT base your opinion on what was shown here. There is a reason that a lot went into the onboarding process. GO through it, learn the controls, and enjoy.

And before you all say it, I know, you're basing it on the only thing that you have to base it on currently. I'm just saying, wait for the rest of the coverage coming out. Hell, wait til release and I can stream the game.

Come on man. What are you basing this on? Gameplay wise, Live 10 was a better game than Live 14 even after the patch. We've only seen less than 2 minutes of 15 game play so how can you say its "ahead of where it was"? What are you basing that on?

[WTF]

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Cmon, aholbert32, look at my username color

I'm well aware that Live 10 played better than 14. I'm also stating that imho, Live 15 will play better than Live 10.

2 minutes of gameplay or not, I'll base my opinion on other things.

[da ThRONe]

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No thats not it at all. Your point has evolved as the conversation has gone on. This was your original post about sliders:

"I don't know why on a new gen system in 2014 why we would need sliders in the 1st place."

Then you spent 4 more posts trying to defend that point.

Now its "The game should be use stats to be Sim at default but give people sliders if they want to tweak the game".

Its not a misunderstanding....your position changed slightly.

I'm not gonna discuss the offball motion anymore because I've stated several times that there is a difference between tweaking a fundamental aspect of the game and completely eliminating it. Might as well give people the option to turn off dribbling.

Again I meant I don't know why sliders are need to produce the best simulation possible. It was a lazy comment and I owe that. My argument may seem like it "evolved" but that's only because I didn't express it as clear as I should have. As the discussion progress I was able to correct that mistake. You are the one that are holding on to that one comment to try and discredit everything I have said after.


Also saying motion is as important to the game as dribbling is hyperbole. We have had basketball videogames for years with dribbling and without motion yet we have never had a basketball videogame with motion and without dribbling.

[aholbert32]

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Cmon, aholbert32, look at my username color

I'm well aware that Live 10 played better than 14. I'm also stating that imho, Live 15 will play better than Live 10.

2 minutes of gameplay or not, I'll base my opinion on other things.

LOL. Totally forgot that you are a Game Changer.

[ThaLiveKing]

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I have no issues with the Rebounding and AI logic in the other game. Why? Because the game has sliders which can affect those areas.

The last update of Live 14, they fixed the rebounding logic, but in the leaked footage, it wasn't in there. O;Brien told me on Twitter during the Q and A said that everything updated in Live 14, will be in Live 15. This is one thing I'm going to hammer I'm if I don't see it in 15. Lol

[aholbert32]

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Again I meant I don't know why sliders are need to produce the best simulation possible. It was a lazy comment and I owe that. My argument may seem like it "evolved" but that's only because I didn't express it as clear as I should have. As the discussion progress I was able to correct that mistake. You are the one that are holding on to that one comment to try and discredit everything I have said after.


Also saying motion is as important to the game as dribbling is hyperbole. We have had basketball videogames for years with dribbling and without motion yet we have never had a basketball videogame with motion and without dribbling.

I only have your posts to go off of. But I will say, typically when people make a mistake in one post, they dont try to defend that point for three more posts before "clarifying" it. LOL. They usually recognize the misunderstanding after they see how people are reacting and say "Oh, I didnt mean that we should eliminate sliders".

It shouldnt take 3 more posts to get there if thats what you originally meant.

[aholbert32]

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The last update of Live 14, they fixed the rebounding logic, but in the leaked footage, it wasn't in there. O;Brien told me on Twitter during the Q and A said that everything updated in Live 14, will be in Live 15. This is one thing I'm going to hammer I'm if I don't see it in 15. Lol

Why isnt that rebounding logic in the Gamestop clips? That game is 15 and assumedly has all of the additions the patch for 14 added, right?