Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

[mr9inchesbpel]

Juan is worth 5.4 wins in WAR according to baseball reference but is only a 70 over all in this game, his best asset his defense hasn't been increased but they downgraded him else where in the recent roster update.

They also lowered Daniel Murphy down to an 80 as well.

If your going to change Mets attributes why haven't you boosted Zack Wheeler and Jacob DeGrom up and Juan Lagares and Eric Campbell and Familia and Vic Black as well while bringing Curtis Granderson and Bartolo Colon and Eric Young Jr down?

The Mets are now according to online ranked the 27th best overall in the game despite only being a few games behind the Atlanta Braves for second place in the division and while they aren't a good team they are atleast around mediocre.

[baseballphanatic]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

I think just being on the Mets gets players automatic downgrades....what kind of world would this be if they ever won sumthin? that's like saying the Cubs are a future contender....always find ways to lose. haha no, being serious though....Murphy's previous injury might be a reason

[Bobhead]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

first rule about roster updates:

stop caring about roster updates.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-released.html

Click, Download, enjoy.

[echotripper76]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

first rule about roster updates:

stop caring about roster updates.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-released.html

Click, Download, enjoy.

This.

Also, with this set...don't be overly concerned with overalls. Look closely at individual strengths and weaknesses of each player. Lagares, for example, has great D ratings. Match ups are important. Also, be sure to review the instructions for the set, in particular the notes regarding pitcher stamina sliders.

Very well done roster set. ;0)

[mr9inchesbpel]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

first rule about roster updates:

stop caring about roster updates.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-released.html

Click, Download, enjoy.

But I mostly play either online or The Show Live mode where you have to use the latest official rosters.

Also I don't really think the player attributes make a huge deal, just wondering why SCEA would downgrade good Mets players who could have used an upgrade, and avoid upgrading guys like DeGrom or Wheeler while keeping Granderson, Tejeda, and Young Jr overrated.

[KBLover]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

Also, with this set...don't be overly concerned with overalls. Look closely at individual strengths and weaknesses of each player.

I think this is what sports gamers should do for any sports game. Not just a roster with "funky" ratings like the Hybrids.

OVR is just an amalgamation based on some weighted factors. You could create your own and be just as "correct".

Skill ratings are what drive performance and the player's talent profile, not OVR.

The only useful thing about OVR is in comparing to POT to get an idea of possible general upside. 70 OVR vs A POT shows a top level prospect, but where he grows is more important than if he ends up as a 90 or 99 or 85.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

first rule about roster updates:

stop caring about roster updates.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-released.html

Click, Download, enjoy.

Eh you really missed the point. The dude was complaining about online. To some people, online is everything and you can only use SCEA's rosters.

I don't blame him. I'd be upset too. Using your own team is fun and rewarding, but now when SCEA cannot even make simple roster updates. SCEA has always been inconsistent with the roster updates. They'll be quick to downgrade a veteran after a shaky start, but won't upgrade rookies or sophomores that have been solid.

[mr9inchesbpel]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

Eh you really missed the point. The dude was complaining about online. To some people, online is everything and you can only use SCEA's rosters.

I don't blame him. I'd be upset too. Using your own team is fun and rewarding, but now when SCEA cannot even make simple roster updates. SCEA has always been inconsistent with the roster updates. They'll be quick to downgrade a veteran after a shaky start, but won't upgrade rookies or sophomores that have been solid.

This, in the new roster update it seems like they changed player ratings again and downgraded Jacob DeGrom, he is potentially the NL rookie of the year and had a great season yet he is a 71 overall and a B in potential, basically he is rated pretty much the same as Rafael Montero he is rated like 1 point better then Dice K Matsuzaka he is rated worse then what most mediocre starters in the game are rated ( which is around a 78 ) as well.


They boosted Daniel Murphy back up but didn't boost some other guys up, I looked at some attributes on teams all over the league and some of them were way off.



One of the new guys they added Terrance Gore on the Royals, he is rated very very low and probably one of the worst players in the game with a 51 overall rating, I understand he isn't a good hitter... but even his speed and base running attributes are nothing special.

A few weeks ago the Mets were 27th overall ( I haven't checked the new roster update yet ) of teams in vs online, yet the Mets were a second place team this season. Sure the division wasn't good this year, and sure they aren't really a very good team, but they atleast have a good young starting rotation and bullpen which this game doesn't really show.

[KBLover]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

This, in the new roster update it seems like they changed player ratings again and downgraded Jacob DeGrom, he is potentially the NL rookie of the year and had a great season yet he is a 71 overall and a B in potential, basically he is rated pretty much the same as Rafael Montero he is rated like 1 point better then Dice K Matsuzaka he is rated worse then what most mediocre starters in the game are rated ( which is around a 78 ) as well.

What do their individual skills look like?

OVR is really a bad measure since it's just an arbitrary combination of the skill ratings (which is what actually matters between the lines).

One player might be a 71 and be better than someone who's a 79 when you hit the field.

Based on what DeGrom is good at, he could do well even if his OVR is about MLB average.

For one the HR/9 rating does not matter in played games. If that's a big part of the difference between Dice-K and DeGrom, then I would put even less stock in the OVR difference between them.

[mr9inchesbpel]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

What do their individual skills look like?

OVR is really a bad measure since it's just an arbitrary combination of the skill ratings (which is what actually matters between the lines).

One player might be a 71 and be better than someone who's a 79 when you hit the field.

Based on what DeGrom is good at, he could do well even if his OVR is about MLB average.

For one the HR/9 rating does not matter in played games. If that's a big part of the difference between Dice-K and DeGrom, then I would put even less stock in the OVR difference between them.

Don't remember haven't checked just noticed that in the past few weeks they downgraded his overall and his potential.

When I used him to pitch months ago to pitch he did pretty well despite being rated pretty low and his pitches and speed seemed pretty realistic.

This is pretty similar with Odrisamer Despaigne he isn't rated that good in the game, but when I used him I had some success with him because his pitches by them self were pretty good.


Either way part of it is just an OCD sort of thing of caring about the players attributes and comparing them to each other. If you go to online ranked you can see the Mets are rated 27th and the pitching is rated pretty bad, but in real life the Mets are a second place team ( in a bad division ) and the pitching is pretty good. Teams like the Yankees are rated to have better speed then the Royals as well if I remember right.

[kehlis]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

first rule about roster updates:

stop caring about roster updates.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-released.html

Click, Download, enjoy.

Come on Bob.

This isn't fair to those who have no choice in what roster they use.

It's important to keep in mind that not everyone enjoys the game the same way you or I do.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Why did Daniel Murphy and Juan Lagares get downgraded?

What do their individual skills look like?

OVR is really a bad measure since it's just an arbitrary combination of the skill ratings (which is what actually matters between the lines).

One player might be a 71 and be better than someone who's a 79 when you hit the field.

Based on what DeGrom is good at, he could do well even if his OVR is about MLB average.

For one the HR/9 rating does not matter in played games. If that's a big part of the difference between Dice-K and DeGrom, then I would put even less stock in the OVR difference between them.

I think we all agree Overalls don't mean as much as what certain individual ratings accumulate to be. OP was just using the overall as a simple, quick way to show how inconsistent the roster updates are.

I haven't played online yet, but they were quick to downgrade some of the Cardinals, yet they have not updated some of our young guys. Peralta was our MVP and was the best SS this year outside of an injured Tulo...yet his hitting attributes are pretty below average and his fielding is mediocre. He saved like 18 runs this year and was very smooth at SS. He also had 21 homeruns and posted a solid OPS as well. Yet his power is like a 59...come on lol.

Holliday is now like a 79 overall as well. His hitting is pretty bad on the game, yet the show is supposed to go on a "3 year scale". He has been one of the top hitters the past 3 years and still had a solid year this year (.811 OPS). While the last 3 years he has an .855 OPS with a .380 OBP! It is funny how guys like Puig become a 92 overall after their first 3 months in the MLB, yet some of our guys like Adams are still in the 70s. SCEA needs to stick with a uniformed formula and stop "freelancing" the ratings. That is my rant lol.

Of course for my RTTS guys and franchise modes I use the amazing OS rosters! I love it! But I am a big online guy and when I start playing again, I like the ratings to be an accurate model to what was depicted during the season or based on a 3 year average.