Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

**redsox4evur** · 09-18-2014, 04:20 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Some of these players falling can make sense. Like you getting Megatron late. Most guy will take an elite QB in the first round. Also you have to think what positions matter the most in football. those are QB, WR, LT, LCB, pass rusher. So that gives an excuse for all those rb's being taken late. Just a thought that's all.

**Dijourno18** · 09-18-2014, 05:04 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Originally posted by redsox4evur

Some of these players falling can make sense. Like you getting Megatron late. Most guy will take an elite QB in the first round. Also you have to think what positions matter the most in football. those are QB, WR, LT, LCB, pass rusher. So that gives an excuse for all those rb's being taken late. Just a thought that's all.

Oh believe me, I completely understand that factors play a roll in to this (franchise Lt's, franchise QB's, dominate Cb's get drafted) and that rb's aren't valued as high as they were in years past. but I think PP fell to the middle of the 2nd round, haden to the 3rd, Cam wake(age, understandable), robert quinn, and hardy were there by my 2nd pick (37th ovr). JJ Watt wasn't even a top 20 pick. But Andy Dalton was. Kapernick was. And those aren't elite QB's by a wide margin. I think what EA failed to do was distinguish what really is a franchise player and what isn't.
What really surprised me was that even young Rb's were being falling wayy too late. Alfred morris, DeMarco Murray, Doug Martin, Eddy Lacy were available at round 8. I don't think there are 240 players better then them. And on top of this, you have the elite guys going a bit past round 5; McCoy, Arian Foster, Jamaal Charles, Forte, AP...
You're going to have to go through a fantasy draft yourself to understand what I'm saying. You'll be scratching your head at some picks. Maybe i'll run another draft and post the results.

**Dijourno18** · 09-18-2014, 07:27 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Ok so i'm doing another draft. Some reaches (or not, you guys decide) :
#5 Rivers - NOS
#10 Foles - IND
#11 Kaepernick - TB
#21 Big ben - PHI
#24 Dalton - MIA
#32 Khalil Mack - CIN
#35 Alex Smith - OAK
#37 Tannehill - BUF
#40 Flacco - DEN
#50 Glennon - ARI
#76 Bradford - NYJ
#88 Byron Maxwell - Tenn
#122 Geno Smith - Tenn
#151 Logan Ryan (Went BEFORE ANY RB)

By pick #240, these players were still here:
Alfred Morris
DeMarco Murray
Eddie Lacy
Arian Foster
TJ Ward
Doug Martin
Kendall Wright
Linval Joseph
CJ spiller
Le'Veon Bell
Mike Iupati
Roddy White
Evan Mathis [I took him in the 12th round]
Donte Whitner
Victor Cruz

And here is my final roster:
QB: Derek Carr, Mike Vick
RB: DeMarco Murray, Chris Johnson, Ryan Williams
FB: Will Ta'ufo'ou
WR: Calvin Johnson, Cordarrelle Patterson, Stephen Hill, Brandon Cooks
TE: Jimmy Graham, Owen Daniels

And here's where Oline is interesting:
LT: Greg Robinson [Lg originally]
LG: Mike Iupati
C: John Sullivan
RG: Larry Warford
RT: Evan Mathis [LG originally]

I got Mathis and Iupati in the 17?th/18th round, WAY too good of value to pass up

LE: Carlos Dunlap
RE: JPP
DT: Devon Still, Recardo Matthews, Ego Ferguson

LOLB: anthony Barr, Stevenson Sylvester
MLB: Demario Davis, Zach Brown, Jeff Tarpinian
ROLB: Corey Lemoniour, Brandon Watts

CB: Darius Slay, Josh Robinson, Buster Skrine, Dontae Johnson
FS: Jimmie Ward, MD Jennings
SS: Kenny Vacarro, Corey Lynch

So, yeah. I built the most unstoppable offense in Madden because the CPU AI is seriously flawed. They value ANY qb very high.

**camo** · 09-18-2014, 07:55 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

I would bet most of the teams are just as good as yours. ..this isn't an issue for ea to fix. Fantasy draft is always a crapshoot and just for fun anyway...non issue IMO

**BanchamekGym** · 09-19-2014, 01:35 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

I noticed the CPU was overvaluing QBs and undervaluing elite players when I did a quick test of the fantasy draft.

Week 3 rosters just came out but before using Week 2 I was able to get JJ Watt with the 1st pick late (The Texans drafted QB Alex Smith 1 pick before me), Calvin Johnson in the 2nd, and Shady McCoy in the 3rd (AP and Charles were still there in the 4th).

I understand the CPU emphasis on franchise QB but they shouldn't be drafting crappy ones in the 1st just because all the good ones were already taken.

If you're the only human player you can just not scoop all the all stars that fall and eventually the CPU teams will take them.

Or you can control each team and try to make the best pick for each one which would take a while.

In last years game in the 2nd season of my fantasy drafts when my team was developed I would add a Hall of Famer to all the CPU teams and give them one that would best help each team

**Guccilafluer** · 09-19-2014, 02:28 PM

Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

I don't know if you've played a season yet or what but you're team doesn't look that good.. They value QBs so high because they are the commander of your offense.

You're gonna have a rough first season with Derek Carr, plus it all depends on your coaching staff and scheme.. I got a team equivalent to yours and went 2-14 the first year while simming.

To each his own, I'm just saying, sure the CPU may overvalue QBs but for a good reason.. I don't think your team will be as good as you think.. Depth plays a huge role too, injuries are very common.. I lost 3 starting lineman in my first year and it wreaked havoc.

Unless you're just amazing at madden or play on a lower difficulty level or cheese. I bet you'll go 9-7 at best first season.

**BanchamekGym** · 09-19-2014, 03:45 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Originally posted by Guccilafluer

I don't know if you've played a season yet or what but you're team doesn't look that good.. They value QBs so high because they are the commander of your offense.

You're gonna have a rough first season with Derek Carr, plus it all depends on your coaching staff and scheme.. I got a team equivalent to yours and went 2-14 the first year while simming.

To each his own, I'm just saying, sure the CPU may overvalue QBs but for a good reason.. I don't think your team will be as good as you think.. Depth plays a huge role too, injuries are very common.. I lost 3 starting lineman in my first year and it wreaked havoc.

Unless you're just amazing at madden or play on a lower difficulty level or cheese. I bet you'll go 9-7 at best first season.

Ya the D doesn't look great especially on the second team but there's probably enough athletic young players late to put together a good squad if you put in the time.

If you're simming the games obviously you're going to have a very different outcome then if you're playing.

I'm interested to see how the consistency rating works, I've just got the game and been playing play now games, not sure if it's included in that.

For those that now can you upgrade your players consistency rating with XP, does it happen on it's own or not at all?

It makes sense that teams go after the franchise QB early they just shouldn't reach like I said testing out the fantasy draft I had one of the last picks in the 1st, the Texans were 1 pick before me and passed over JJ Watt a perfect fit and plenty of other All-Pros like Megatron, Shady Suh etc so they could take.... Alex Smith. The old crappy QB.

It would just be nice if after targeting the elite young prospects like Wilson, Luck, Newton etc the best in his prime Rodgers and the elite vets like Manning, Brees Brady they passed on the crappy QBs and projects until atleast a few later rounds and went after the much better players. Not the end of the world.

How do auto-subs work this year and in franchise mode?

In M25 I would play 8-10 minute quarters with no accelerated clock. The "auto-sub" was so broken and non-existant in franchise (I couldn't get my guys to sub out when tired and/or sub back in when better) I just set the fatigue really low and around the 4th quarter the starters would start to get tired and turn light blue/yellow.

In the new Madden in the play now games the guys are getting tired quickly (sometimes in a single drive or even just a few plays) but they're actually subbing out and actually subbing back in pretty soon when they're better.

Is it the same in franchise?

**oneamongthefence** · 09-19-2014, 06:01 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Here's my theory. The cpu is keeping the salary cap in mind. Your team is gonna be stacked the first year but good luck signing players in the off-season. And you can't release them without taking a huge cap hit furthering your salary cap problems that's gonna happen in the off-season. You could keep those players but you will have 0 depth behind them and maybe not enough money to sign anybody essentially breaking your franchise team.

**Dijourno18** · 09-19-2014, 10:08 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Originally posted by Guccilafluer

I don't know if you've played a season yet or what but you're team doesn't look that good.. They value QBs so high because they are the commander of your offense.

You're gonna have a rough first season with Derek Carr, plus it all depends on your coaching staff and scheme.. I got a team equivalent to yours and went 2-14 the first year while simming.

To each his own, I'm just saying, sure the CPU may overvalue QBs but for a good reason.. I don't think your team will be as good as you think.. Depth plays a huge role too, injuries are very common.. I lost 3 starting lineman in my first year and it wreaked havoc.

Unless you're just amazing at madden or play on a lower difficulty level or cheese. I bet you'll go 9-7 at best first season.

I drafted team #2 with the mindset of building an unstoppable offense. I don't plan on playing with that roster, just wanted to run a test run to see what the CPU let fall into my hands. I basically have an all-pro O-line, the best WR in the league, the best TE in the game, followed by a very respectable run game. And, building qb's throwing attributes is once again very easy this year so it'd only take me a few weeks to build him up to an average starter. (I play on all madden difficulty for an fyi).
I shouldn't be able to get multiple superstars because the QB values Geno Smith over Adrian peterson. It's a glaring issue that Ea needs to fix. I'm not sure if they intended to put ANY QB at the top of the CPU's draft board, but it shouldn't be that way.

And someone mentioned something about salary cap, in fantasy draft the salaries are all the same. each player in the 1st round has the same salary/years in contract.

**BanchamekGym** · 09-19-2014, 10:33 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Originally posted by oneamongthefence

Here's my theory. The cpu is keeping the salary cap in mind. Your team is gonna be stacked the first year but good luck signing players in the off-season. And you can't release them without taking a huge cap hit furthering your salary cap problems that's gonna happen in the off-season. You could keep those players but you will have 0 depth behind them and maybe not enough money to sign anybody essentially breaking your franchise team.

When you did a fantasy draft in the previous year the players' existing contracts in real life were torn up and they were given a contract based on their position in the fantasy draft.

I'm pretty sure your first picks are signed for atleast 4 seasons if not more, the guys at the very end of the draft are FAs at the end of the year.

Personally I would only get to maybe 2 Superbowls with a team before getting bored and wanting to draft a different team, plus all my players would be developed (Not using practice).

This year I know practice is gone and it can auto delegate the "preparation" so I assume CPU teams do it and should be better at developing their players this year.

Anyways I usually didn't have the salary cap on in fantasy draft because like I said I don't play long enough for my good players to hit FA and the other teams good players dont hit FA unless they change a coach and cut good players that dont fit their scheme so I just draft the players I want or trade if I really need to.

If I do my fantasy draft team with Watt-Megatron-Shady I will probably play 3 seasons max at which Megatron (28 now) will probably have started to regress but is already the best at everything and can be made even better so the cap probably doesn't matter to me one way or another.

After that I will probably eventually do a pure long term franchise and only go after the youngest players.

Also in last years game every draft class had a lot of terrible rookies at a lot of positions for example every corner in every draft other than Leon Sandcastle was way too slow and terrible.

I here this year every draft class is randomly generated so hopefully the rookies are like the real rookies in the game good athletes making them worth caring about.

**BanchamekGym** · 09-19-2014, 10:42 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

Originally posted by Dijourno18

I drafted team #2 with the mindset of building an unstoppable offense. I don't plan on playing with that roster, just wanted to run a test run to see what the CPU let fall into my hands. I basically have an all-pro O-line, the best WR in the league, the best TE in the game, followed by a very respectable run game. And, building qb's throwing attributes is once again very easy this year so it'd only take me a few weeks to build him up to an average starter. (I play on all madden difficulty for an fyi).
I shouldn't be able to get multiple superstars because the QB values Geno Smith over Adrian peterson. It's a glaring issue that Ea needs to fix. I'm not sure if they intended to put ANY QB at the top of the CPU's draft board, but it shouldn't be that way.

And someone mentioned something about salary cap, in fantasy draft the salaries are all the same. each player in the 1st round has the same salary/years in contract.

There's no debating that crappy QBs are being overdrafted by the CPU at the top of the draft when they should fall.

It makes sense that young franchise QBs like Wilson, Luck, Newton, and elite guys in their prime like Rodgers go in the 1st, and you can even make a sense for guys like Manning, Brees and Brady even though they might retire after 1 or 2 seasons, but now crappy guys like Alex Smith and Geno Smith are being overdrafted when they shouldnt.

In my testing of the fantasy draft I can get Watt, Megatron and Shady with the top 3 picks and Charles and AP are still there the next round.

Those first 3 picks go early in the 1st round using the same ratings on Madden 25.

However some players who went later last year now go earlier this year with the same or near the same rating.

Once I actually do my draft I will be able to tell more how it all plays out.

One thing about the QBs is the ones that go late have low "consistency" stat which probably does have a big overall impact on game play.

**BanchamekGym** · 09-19-2014, 10:47 PM

Re: Major issues with Fantasy CFM!

It's impossible to get a straight answer on if the RBS/RBF and PBS/PBF stats are used in the game or not but they included them and Robinson would be a turnstyle at LT (Unless you can actually upgrade those stats this year)

He has 80 PBS and like 63 PBF last time I checked, which is just awful.

But that offense would be very good, particularly human controlled, not as good with the CPU playing QB. Passing game would be very good even though the tackles aren't great (Mathis like Robinson is a guard and shouldnt be good at tackle regardless of whatever his stats are).

Murray is injury prone and Johnson is fast but not very good in the game. But obviously like you said if you;re drafting against 31 other CPU teams you should probably be able to put together a good team.

But it's not really a true test if you dont use any picks on D tho.

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