No NBA 2K15 Demo Confirmed

[KingofATL]

We have 2 weeks until release. Why are we assuming they will never release gameplay vids?

Also lets say they dont release gameplay vids. Why are people forgetting that things are different now? With the 360/PS3, it was rare that anyone streamed or made videos of a game if they got it early. Now with the PS4/One, there are always people streaming vids 3-4 days before release/ So people will have plenty of time to see gameplay and decide if they want this game.

****, I'm willing to pay a ton of money to get the game early and if I do you can guarantee I will be streaming it. People will have plenty of opportunities to see the game before release.

Well that's you Bro, I am not willing to pay a ton of money to play any game. Especially if it turns out to be crap. I mean what sense does that make? I have a real life and real responsibilities as many of us do. Don't have the time or money to throw away to basically be a tester. I mean when you go to buy a car (if you're old enough to), you don't just buy the car without a test drive do you? Or you wouldn't just buy a house by only looking at the outside?

The "hide and reveal" game is not the way 2K needs to go. I like it when they are open and sharing with the community like they use to do. Not this 2nd hand crap where we have to get poor quality leaked footage, and then no demo. That's not the 2K we have grown to love. That's why we all loved 2K over the years because they did not do the "hide & reveal" game. We got plenty of info & videos thrown at us well in advance of the game release, not a few days before. We all loved their openess.

I'm not a fanboy of no game or no company... I don't buy a game just because. I like to know what I'm getting. But hey that's just me.

I can't be mad at you though... this is the era of the "Fanboy".... It's becoming contagious.

[Goffs]

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Well that's you Bro, I am not willing to pay a ton of money to play any game. Especially if it turns out to be crap. I mean what sense does that make? I have a real life and real responsibilities as many of us do. Don't have the time or money to throw away to be basically a tester. I mean when you go to buy a car (if you're old enough to), you don't just buy the car without a test drive do you? Or you wouldn't just buy a house by the looking at the outside.

The "hide and reveal" game is not the way 2K needs to go. I like it when they are open and sharing with the community like they use to do. Not this 2nd hand crap where we have to get poor quality leaked footage. That's not the 2K we have grown to love. That's why we all loved 2K over the years because they did not do the "hide & reveal" game. We got plenty of info & videos thrown at us well in advance of the game release, not a few days before. We all loved their openess.

But hey I can't be mad at you... this is the era of the "Fanboy".... It's becoming contagious.

This is funny coming from you homie when you said something like this....

I hate to admit it but....

For the first time in a while, I am actually more excited about NBA Live 15 coming out than 2K this year.

"Hide and reveal" HAH! Do you realize that the devs are very active and answers questions? Of course you don't since you seem to just pick which thread to jump in and have your little agenda.

[aholbert32]

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Well that's you Bro, I am not willing to pay a ton of money to play any game. Especially if it turns out to be crap. I mean what sense does that make? I have a real life and real responsibilities as many of us do. Don't have the time or money to throw away to be basically a tester. I mean when you go to buy a car (if you're old enough to), you don't just buy the car without a test drive do you? Or you wouldn't just buy a house by the looking at the outside.

The "hide and reveal" game is not the way 2K needs to go. I like it when they are open and sharing with the community like they use to do. Not this 2nd hand crap where we have to get poor quality leaked footage. That's not the 2K we have grown to love. That's why we all loved 2K over the years because they did not do the "hide & reveal" game. We got plenty of info & videos thrown at us well in advance of the game release, not a few days before. We all loved their openess.

But hey I can't be mad at you... this is the era of the "Fanboy".... It's becoming contagious.

OK first things first. Dont call me a fanboy ever again. I'm gonna give you a pass and not ban you for a personal attack because I'm in a forgiving mood but dont ever personally attack me or another OS member again.

Two, comparing this to a car or house purchase is the height of stupidity. This is a 60 dollar game. Those are thousand dollar purchases.

Three, I have a career, a wife and a newborn son so I have a real life and real responsibilities. I also have a career that pays me enough where I can handle those responsibilities (and then some) and still have plenty of money to buy a game or pay more than retail to get it early.

Four, if you arent blessed enough to be in a situation where spending 60 bucks on a game isnt that serious...maybe you should do what I suggested and wait until the game comes out, watch videos and streams and decide if you want to buy the game. Or you can spend 5-10 dollars and rent the game using redbox or gamefly.

Finally the reason I can buy this game without a demo is because I liked 2k14 and I liked the 20 plus videos we've seen. I also liked the features they added to the game. I dont need a demo to know that I will like this game.

[KingofATL]

This is funny coming from you homie when you said something like this....



"Hide and reveal" HAH! Do you realize that the devs are very active and answers questions? Of course you don't since you seem to just pick which thread to jump in and have your little agenda.

No dude I'm just unbiased... I dont d*** ride any game or company.

And yeah I am excited to see EA come back to the game. I've been a fan of both games over the years. And yea EA fell off, glad to see they are trying to come back. As I said before I want to see both games be great. And yea both companies have done the "hide & reveal" thing at one point or another.

Soooooo what's your point? You just tryna get attention huh? And what agenda is that dude? My dude you are obviously a fanboy I mean how does any of that offend you? Because I like competition and want to see both games go hard? Man kill yourself!!!!

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No dude I'm just unbiased... I dont d*** ride any game or company.

And yeah I am excited to see EA come back to the game. I've been a fan of both games over the years. And yea EA fell off, glad to see they are trying to come back. As I said before I want to see both games be great. And yea both companies have done the "hide & reveal" thing at one point or another.

Soooooo what's your point? You just tryna get attention huh? And what agenda is that dude? My dude you are obviously a fanboy I mean how does any of that offend you? Because I like competition and want to see both games go hard? Man kill yourself!!!!

Aaron just asked you not to go name calling did he not?

[El_Poopador]

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No one says it is wrong. Where do you guys get that? Just saying it shouldn't be THAT big of a deal.

They have a full gameplay team man. Don't you think they worked at all? There have been gameplay impressions all over the place. IKC being one example. Now, with that said, any changes they make to address the so called "legacy" (term that is way overused here) issues never get done with a hammer. So if they aren't completely gone, Nit #1 will cry "they totally ignored the issue", when they've clearly made some sort of improvement. That doesn't help them at all.

I am not saying nobody worked on gameplay, not at all. But we don't know what else they've done outside of adding a shot meter. Sure, there are gameplay impressions. But there is always the possibility that there is a placebo effect. Again, we have no idea what the gameplay and AI teams have been doing for the last year. There has been no transparency. That is why I'm wary. I'm sure they put a lot of time and effort into the game, but that doesn't mean that big issues that I had (me, personally) have been addressed.

Please keep in mind that I am not saying it will be the same game with the same issues. I am simply saying that for me personally, the lack of a demo directly influences my decision to purchase the game. I purchased NBA 2k10-2k13 on release day based on the information released beforehand, and 2k14 about a month later based on impressions and track record. From a gameplay standpoint, I was not satisfied enough with 2k14 to warrant a blind purchase of 2k15.

[El_Poopador]

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If you're only going to look at the situation in a vacuum and not take anything else into account, then I'd say you're being extremely fickle and particular, and likely would never be satisfied. Given NBA2K's history, everything they've announced to date in terms of how various game modes have been enhanced (which was THE biggest complaint here last year), 2K's continued effort in signing experienced game designers and respected, talented community members to their team to practically form a Dream Team development team, the fact that 2K14's games (both last gen and this gen) were fairly highly regarded from a gameplay perspective, the fact that the game has historically been one of the best sports games in terms of gameplay slider customizations, etc...

You're right; they have addressed one of the biggest complaints in terms of adding/revamping/fleshing out modes. But that doesn't mean they address my issues with the game. Like I said above, I wasn't satisfied enough with 2k14's gameplay and AI on the court to justify a purchase of 2k15 without seeing firsthand what has been changed.

and you're still going to tell me you feel "on-court issues I had last year weren't touched"?

Give me a break. It's your right to be as picky as you want. But 2K literally has to thread the needle with gamers like you. Imo not worth chasing when you're likely going to find any little thing to your dissatisfaction. These guys aren't infallible, the game isn't going to be perfect. If they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt by now in your eyes, best not to purchase the game.

I never said I expected perfection. And I don't expect every single issue I had to be fixed, especially in a single cycle. But, with the lack of information, I can't help but be cautious. Hopefully they prove me wrong and some of the major issues I had last year will be fixed, but until I am able to see it for myself, I can't make an informed decision.

Again - when have they ever "rehashed" the on-court game? Last year, they do a lot from a gameplay perspective and it's complained they didn't do enough with the features. This year they make that a focus and now the gameplay's a question lol. I guess they just hired all those new gameplay-centric guys (to an already strong team) for show?

Again, I never said they did nothing. But, until I see otherwise, it still lies within the realm of possibility that major issues I (personally) had went unaddressed. They've released a bunch of news on modes and features, which is great. But why can't the same amount of information be released for the area where I would be spending 90% of my time with the game?

It's a videogame. It isn't a house or a car requiring some huge purchasing decision. If it does, then better to hold off purchasing if you feel the "gameplay hasn't been addressed" because they haven't told you it has been lol.

No one has to tell me that anything has been addressed. But if they are not going to come out with information on what has been worked in directly, then that's where a demo would suffice, so that I can see the changes for myself. But, I have a hard time making a purchase on blind faith.

[jadert]

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I am not saying nobody worked on gameplay, not at all. But we don't know what else they've done outside of adding a shot meter. Sure, there are gameplay impressions. But there is always the possibility that there is a placebo effect. Again, we have no idea what the gameplay and AI teams have been doing for the last year. There has been no transparency. That is why I'm wary.

Please keep in mind that I am not saying it will be the same game with the same issues. I am simply saying that for me personally, the lack of a demo directly influences my decision to purchase the game. I purchased NBA 2k10-2k13 on release day based on the information released beforehand, and 2k14 about a month later based on impressions and track record. From a gameplay standpoint, I was not satisfied enough with 2k14 to warrant a blind purchase of 2k15.

Just don't buy it. I wouldn't give a company my money with all of these concerns. Plus with another basketball game coming out that looks legit, you have choices. Too much stress trying to decide whether to purchase a video game or not.

When I am disgusted by a game or company and their practices or product, I speak with my wallet. That's why choices are great!

[Rebel_INS]

I mean...if you buy the game and don't like it, you normally can return it for a full refund. No harm, no foul so I don't see what the big deal is. You'll get your precious $65 back to put in your piggy bank. I get the eagerness for a demo but what are you gonna do? Complaining doesn't change anything. All it does is make you upset....then what?? Be Fonzie guys 😎

[rspencer86]

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I mean...if you buy the game and don't like it, you normally can return it for a full refund.

Where can you do this? I've never had a store allow a return of software for a full refund.

I wish there were a demo, but it's really not too big of a deal for me. There are videos, reviews, impressions, livestreams, etc. that you can gather pretty much all of the info you need to make an informed purchase decision. Waiting a day or two to read impressions and watch a livestream or two won't hurt.

[Da_Czar]

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They already have demos of the game running at various gaming events. I guess they wasted a lot of precious time taking a vertical slice of a SPORTS GAME that is pretty much 100% made (no dev is still adding features 2 weeks before launch). Demoing a sports game doesn't take as much effort as any other genre. Other games would have to find a situation that would allow players to learn the controls and also show how fun the game could be. A sport game doesn't change from hour 1 to hour 100. The gameplay mechanics stay consistent. The demo would be just to showcase improvements on the gameplay mechanics in 1-2 quarters of a exhibition game, and would let me see for myself if the areas of the game I found fault with last year have been fixed.

Sorry if I don't prescribe to the notion that 2k is consistent every year like you may, because where I see progression in some places (offensive movement and ballhandling) I see regression in others (defensive rotations and spacing). "On the fence" means just that. I was disappointed by 2k14 and I'm in the middle in terms of whether or not I get this iteration. Reading other people's opinions of the game doesn't do much for me considering how hyperbolic people's opinion of the game is after launch. Its either terrible or you got guys saying Jesus himself made it.

I understand from a business perspective that demos are more likely to push people away from buying a game but none of us are getting a cut of NBA 2k15's profits so why should I be okay with it as a consumer? Some of you guys should try to get paid for the PR work you do for them on these forums

With the emphasis lots of games are putting on day 1 patches I wouldn't be so sure of that bold-ed statement. That is all I have to add on this subject.

Been a pretty good thread. Good points on both sides. If your skeptical try before you buy via a trial, gamefly, gamestop or bestbuy kiosk, friends house. LOL whatever.

But I would find it hard to believe that there isn't at least one person on OS who has the same issues you do with the game who can't give you quality feedback or make a video for you or a stream on the week of the game release to get you the information you may need.

[Rebel_INS]

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Where can you do this? I've never had a store allow a return of software for a full refund.

Seriously? I don't know about digital downloads but check your receipt or ask the store rep. @ Gamestop, Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc you generally have 14 days (give or take) to return any game for a full refund.

[rspencer86]

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Seriously? I don't know about digital downloads but check your receipt or ask the store rep. @ Gamestop, Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc you generally have 14 days (give or take) to return any game for a full refund.

I don't believe that's true:

Open music, movies, video games, and software purchased on Target.com or in a Target store cannot be returned, but may be exchanged at the store for the same title on the same or different gaming platform.

http://help.target.com/help/subcategoryarticle?childcat=Return+policy&parentcat=Returns+%26+Exchanges

That's pretty much standard anywhere. Gamestop allows returns of used games up to 7 days.

[jeremym480]

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Seriously? I don't know about digital downloads but check your receipt or ask the store rep. @ Gamestop, Best Buy, Target, Walmart, etc you generally have 14 days (give or take) to return any game for a full refund.

I don't have time to look them all up, but here's what Game Stop and Best Buy says about returning a new video game:

GS:

Spoiler

New product returns
Returned product(s) must be in the original packaging and include any manuals, cabling and accessories in sellable condition. We reserve the right to limit returns to unopened or defective products. Defective product(s) will be replaced with a like item, upon return. Terms and conditions of manufacturer's warranty apply to defective video games systems and computer hardware after 30 days.

We do not accept returns of:

Any product(s) returned more than 30 days from the date on the packing slip.
Any product(s) that has been opened (taken out of its plastic wrap).
Any product(s) not in its original condition.
Any product(s) that is damaged, played, or is missing parts.
Any product(s) that were sold as part of a bundle, unless the bundle is returned complete.
Please do not mail us product(s) that do not meet the return criteria listed above, as we do not issue refunds for non-qualifying items and cannot return the items to you.

BB:

Spoiler

Opened computer software, movies, music or video games can only be exchanged for an identical item.

I'm pretty sure that all other stores have the same policy, so good luck getting your money back. Although, if anyone is on the fence I'm not sure why they would blindly purchase when there's plenty of avenues to check out games now days... renting, streaming, etc.

[da ThRONe]

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Just don't buy it. I wouldn't give a company my money with all of these concerns. Plus with another basketball game coming out that looks legit, you have choices. Too much stress trying to decide whether to purchase a video game or not.

When I am disgusted by a game or company and their practices or product, I speak with my wallet. That's why choices are great!

While I agree with this premise 100%. The whole point of OS are for like minded people to discuss what it is they like and dislike about the gaming process from start to finish.


I don't know how you call looking at a forum "too much stress", but I'd venture to guess that El Poopador isn't losing sleep over this decision to purchase or not purchase. Neither am I. I come here see if there's anything new that can impact my decision and I express how and why I feel a particular way.