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  • Majingir
    Moderator
    • Apr 2005
    • 47433

    #1

    Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

    Anyone else feel like the period lengths don't actually take amount of time they are supposed to? I felt this way so I decided to actually time the game clock with real life clock and see the time difference. Since I know many people including myself use 10 min periods,here are results I got using 10 min periods.

    For every 10 seconds in real life,30 seconds pass on the game clock(meaning it'll take about 6.67 mins to complete a period set to 10 minutes if the clock never stopped). The number SHOULD be 20 seconds.

    On those same settings,with penalty time scale in the middle,the clock does go according to the period length(so if you have 10 min periods,the 2 min penalty will take 1 minute in real life,as it should).

    Calculated stuff taking into consideration that final 10 seconds of 1st/2nd period both actually take 10 seconds and final minute of 3rd is actually a minute. Then just used the 10 second real time sample I did before to calculate the other 19 minutes & 50 seconds of the gameclock(in 3rd periods case,just 19 minutes)

    5 min period are actually 3.8 minutes(3rd period being 4.5 minutes)
    10 min periods are actually 6.8 minutes(3rd being 7.3 minutes)
    15 min periods are actually 10.1 minutes(3rd being 10.5 minutes)
    20 min periods are actually 14.3 minutes(3rd being 14.6 minutes)


    So by this logic, if you want actual 10 min periods,the period length should be set to 14-15 minutes and the penalty time scale should be set between 1-2. I tested this out,and it does give the results that 10 min periods with penalty time scale in the middle SHOULD be giving us. So for all those slider makers using 10 min periods, maybe this is something that needs to be considered when looking at stats like shots on goals,goals and penalties. 10 min periods don't actually mean 10 min periods,so maybe some stats which might be lower than they should be,are lower for good reason,cause the period lengths aren't actually as long as we think.

    Feel free to test out things like this for yourself and provide feedback as well. Want to see if other people are getting same type of results as I am in terms of the game clock time compared to real life time.
    Last edited by Majingir; 09-24-2014, 01:40 AM.
  • jake19ny
    MVP
    • Mar 2011
    • 1938

    #2
    Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

    interesting and I will test out.

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    • Majingir
      Moderator
      • Apr 2005
      • 47433

      #3
      Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

      The thing that throws me off is the final minute of periods, cause I believe the final minute of play has diff time settings. Final 10 seconds I believe do take 10 seconds(all because of the sound effect that counts down the final 10 seconds), and the other 50 seconds I think are slightly longer as well.

      So it might not be 14-15 min periods which need to happen,number might be closer to 12-13, but things like that are what I'm gonna try and hope other people can try too and help out with determining.

      You don't have to play an entire period(unless you're trying the final minute of play stuff), just skate around with the puck and use a timer or something and count 10 seconds on the timer and see how many seconds passed on the game clock,that's what I did to get the info I got.

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      • bigwill33
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 2281

        #4
        Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

        Final minute are supposed to be real time. Part of the reason people feel the game has comeback logic online. You play 5 minute periods and 1 of those minutes is real and the other 4 make up the 19 other minutes in the period. Add in scaling for penalties and who knows how long the game is?

        Love that EA math!

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        • Majingir
          Moderator
          • Apr 2005
          • 47433

          #5
          Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

          ^Don't think that thing applies until the final 10 seconds of a period though since you can obviously hear the sound effect counting down the final 10 seconds,each going off every second.

          Here's the numbers I got. For every 10 seconds in real life,here's how much time passes on the game clock if you set the period length to each of the following:

          5 minutes:55 seconds(should be 40 seconds)
          10 minutes:30 seconds(should be 20 seconds)
          15 minutes:20 seconds(should be 13 seconds,I believe I did math right for this one...)
          20 minutes:14 seconds(should obviously be 10 seconds)

          Meaning:
          5 min periods are actually 3.6 minutes
          10 min periods are actually 6.7 minutes
          15 min periods are actually 10 minutes
          20 min periods are actually 14.3 minutes
          Last edited by Majingir; 09-23-2014, 04:56 PM.

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          • bigwill33
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 2281

            #6
            Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

            The 3rd period final minute is real time, no?

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            • tessl
              All Star
              • Apr 2007
              • 5660

              #7
              Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

              Is there a setting to change this to actual time instead of sped up time?

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              • Majingir
                Moderator
                • Apr 2005
                • 47433

                #8
                Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                Originally posted by bigwill33
                The 3rd period final minute is real time, no?
                Ya, turns out it is like that. Guess those last min 3rd period comebacks are encouraged by EA,especially 1 goal games where it might be 6 on 5 for an entire minute in real time.


                Recalculated stuff taking into consideration that final 10 seconds of 1st/2nd period both actually take 10 seconds and final minute of 3rd is actually a minute. Then just used the 10 second real time sample I did before to calculate the other 19 minutes & 50 seconds of the gameclock(in 3rd periods case,just 19 minutes)

                5 min period are actually 3.8 minutes(3rd period being 4.5 minutes)
                10 min periods are actually 6.8 minutes(3rd being 7.3 minutes)
                15 min periods are actually 10.1 minutes(3rd being 10.5 minutes)
                20 min periods are actually 14.3 minutes(3rd being 14.6 minutes)

                So 14 min periods look like the way to go for those who want each period to take about 10 minutes in real time. I played 15 min periods and it took me about 40 minutes to get through,which makes sense since 10 min periods + breaks in plays/fights/penalties/goals add up to about that.

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                • bigwill33
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2281

                  #9
                  Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                  Great work on this.

                  This is actually highlighting a potential issue with the game because for years people wondered why the scoring seemed to happen in the ways that it did. And if you analyze the data you may realize that when you are playing a clock that is running in close to half the time as a real clock during a power play when the rest of the period is only 3:45 long you end up spending a large portion of the period on the PP and those PP numbers skew things. Which is probably why EA makes it so penalties are not seen as often.

                  When playing a club or online game it is easy to recognize this because the scaling of the final minute of regulation is real time and often you do see multiple goals scored during this time. And while EA claims for there to be no comeback logic, and has said that for years, that doesn't take into account that the team attack settings will adjust during this time and now you are playing in real time over that final minute, thus giving you 1 full minute out of the 4.5 minutes you would get for the entire 3rd period alone.

                  ^ This means that nearly a quarter of the entire 3rd period of online games are played in the final minute of the period. So, of course you are going to see nearly a fourth of the entire period's stats from that small part of the game with that scaling.

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                  • Majingir
                    Moderator
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 47433

                    #10
                    Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                    Exactly. So final minute of 3rd period should produce more goals since it's actually like playing a couple of minutes on the gameclock. 5 minute periods,the final minute would be like playing about 6 or so minutes off of the gameclock. And 10 minute periods,the final minute of 3rd would be like playing 3-4 minutes of the gameclock. So a regular penalty that runs through the final minute of the 3rd,would almost be like a double minor or major penalty in terms of length.

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                    • bwiggy33
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 2003

                      #11
                      Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                      I actually remember starting a thread on this same exact topic way back when it was NHL 11 or 12 I think. When I was playing the game I could easily tell the period lengths were not correct so I started tracking them. I've always played at least 12 minute periods and they were lasting like 9 or so. I just do not understand their logic on this but then again I don't understand their logic on most things in this game.
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                      • Majingir
                        Moderator
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 47433

                        #12
                        Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                        Originally posted by bwiggy33
                        I actually remember starting a thread on this same exact topic way back when it was NHL 11 or 12 I think. When I was playing the game I could easily tell the period lengths were not correct so I started tracking them. I've always played at least 12 minute periods and they were lasting like 9 or so. I just do not understand their logic on this but then again I don't understand their logic on most things in this game.
                        I made a thread similar a few years ago as well,never really did anything in much detail as I did this one,but glad I did go into detail on this cause it showed alot.

                        I found the thread,lol I even commented on it and apparently I got much diff results back then compared to what I got now. Though I'm thinking maybe I played an entire period and it took 12 minutes or something(which includes breaks in play,goals and so on)

                        http://www.operationsports.com/forum...real-time.html

                        You said 10 mins took 7 back on NHL12, and based on calculations I did on NHL15,it was 6.8, so ya, really does sound like all this makes sense and it's been around for years.
                        Last edited by Majingir; 09-24-2014, 12:41 AM.

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                        • bigwill33
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 2281

                          #13
                          Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                          They certainly haven't changed the way things work in years. All of this should be the same. Just chalk it up to something else that EA is clueless about with this game. At least you guys did the work so that the users can base things and try and get what they want to replicate the best outcome possible for each of us. Thank you.

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                          • Majingir
                            Moderator
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 47433

                            #14
                            Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                            Played another game using 15 min period and it took me 45 minutes to complete,which sounds about right when you add everything up.

                            Stats for the game

                            Me:
                            4 goals
                            44 shots
                            26 hits
                            20 faceoff wins
                            3 powerplays

                            CPU:
                            3 goals
                            43 shots
                            30 hits
                            21 faceoff wins
                            1 powerplay


                            So obviously shot total will be high due to fact that period lengths are longer, but at least all other stats feel right. SV% are good now, so I don't want to change sliders that much,though it would've been nice to lower amount of shots on goal. I'm gonna change to 13 min periods so that'll bring the number into the high 30s.

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                            • bigwill33
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2281

                              #15
                              Re: Important Info Regarding Period Lengths!

                              Average shots per game in the NHL range from about 25 to 34 these days.



                              With about 7-10% of those shots going in for goals, on average.

                              Last edited by bigwill33; 09-24-2014, 01:59 AM.

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