QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

[jeffhamm]

Is there an impact in-game on the other 3 based on THA?

Background:
I am 3 seasons into a CF and have Derek Carr pretty much maxed out TP and accuracies (95+ before confidence), however, when the games are loading he shows up with THA 76. He constantly over throws receivers on streaks. I also drafted a rookie this year who is a 78 overall with 92 THP and 84 SAC, 81 MAC, and 82 DAC. I let him start the last preseason game and he had a THA of 92. He constantly hit the deep routes in stride and even the shorter routes were dead on. Despite having lower ratings he appears to be the more accurate QB.

Anyone else experience something like this?

[Hooe]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

It's been stated repeatedly by the Madden developers that THA is only used during game simulation and that SAC, MAC, and DAC are the ratings used during core gameplay.

[Sdcgg81]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

It's been stated repeatedly by the Madden developers that THA is only used during game simulation and that SAC, MAC, and DAC are the ratings used during core gameplay.

I've heard this one and I've also heard it actually reflects lead passing. So a high THA is gonna let you guide it in better. A bad one will have more erratic throws when trying to use lead pass.

It does seem to help, I edit THA 100 then 0 in practice and noticed a diffrence. This could also be placebo effect to though. So anybody else feel free to try and post your results.

[Sheba2011]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I've heard this one and I've also heard it actually reflects lead passing. So a high THA is gonna let you guide it in better. A bad one will have more erratic throws when trying to use lead pass.

It does seem to help, I edit THA 100 then 0 in practice and noticed a diffrence. This could also be placebo effect to though. So anybody else feel free to try and post your results.

Sounds like placebo effect. The developers come out just about every year around this time and say it is only there for simming, it has no effect on gameplay.

[tqgtragese]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

It's been stated repeatedly by the Madden developers

[NicVirtue]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I've had this exact same issue. It's Not just for simulating. That is just not true at all and they know that. It DOES have an effect on gameplay. Surely the people experiencing this aren't making it up if it's happening to multiple people. If it's a simulated thing, great, fine, but they shouldn't say it's not tied to gameplay if it actually is. I see the difference between low THA and high THA despite the other 3 ratings, and I know I'm not tripping.

[saybur]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

Even if it is only tied to simulating, what's up with not being able to upgrade it? I personally play most of my games, but I know a lot of people just manage rosters and sim all games. So we will never see improvement to accuracy from a QB if we simulate?

[Shon 23]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I've also seen it reported multiple times in the past that THA affects simming, rather than in-game throwing accuracy.

I'm starting to believe certain things about attributes too now, though. I am definitely starting to think Ball Carrier Vision is certainly making my RB automatically weave through creases up the gut, push off O-lineman, and even a quick side-step when running right into the back of an O-lineman, all while keeping his balance. This is after playing two different RBs back and forth with a pretty big difference in BCV as well.

So afterall, what do I really know about THA affecting in-game throwing mechanics, besides what I read in the past.

[Mauler97]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

It's been stated repeatedly by the Madden developers that THA is only used during game simulation and that SAC, MAC, and DAC are the ratings used during core gameplay.

I don't believe this to be true. I have a QB that is now 99 for all 3 accuracy ratings but his THA which we can't improve is only 79. I simmed a full season to start a new relo team and that QB finished the simmed season with a 71% completion rate.

Maybe it's super-sim, but either way I wish EA would explain things like this. Perhaps they don't even know.

[jeffhamm]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I've heard this one and I've also heard it actually reflects lead passing. So a high THA is gonna let you guide it in better. A bad one will have more erratic throws when trying to use lead pass.

It does seem to help, I edit THA 100 then 0 in practice and noticed a diffrence. This could also be placebo effect to though. So anybody else feel free to try and post your results.

I would agree with the lead passing theory. That is what I notice the most. With Carr if I lead the deep ball it flies way over the WRs head. With the rookie it drops in perfectly. Completed 4 deep passes of 40 yards or more in that preseason game and the ball dropped in perfectly every time. The only deep passes I've been able to complete with Carr in his 2 years are user catches. Will test more later today.

[Hooe]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I don't believe this to be true.

I wish EA would explain things like this. Perhaps they don't even know.

Link to a former game designer on Madden NFL at EA Tiburon, A.J. Dembroski, explaining THA vs SAC / MAC / DAC on this very forum. (if the direct link to the specific post doesn't work, it's Post #43 in this thread: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...new-patch.html)

DAC, MAC, SAC are used in-game, THA does nothing.

THA is used in sim-engine. DAC, MAC, SAC do nothing.

If you don't believe the words that come out of the horse's mouth, what good does it do for said horse to further explain it?

[NicVirtue]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

Link to a former game designer on Madden NFL at EA Tiburon, A.J. Dembroski, explaining THA vs SAC / MAC / DAC on this very forum. (if the direct link to the specific post doesn't work, it's Post #43 in this thread: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...new-patch.html)




If you don't believe the words that come out of the horse's mouth, what good does it do for said horse to further explain it?

If in game results prove otherwise, why should we believe it? He's human. He can make mistakes, and things can change.

[FBall Life]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I think the biggest question that needs answered is this:

Why does a QB with all three pass accuracy attributes maxed out only have THA in the 70's?

My question isn't "where do these attributes come into play?" Rather, "why do DAC, MAC & SAC not correlate with THA?"

If all three are 99, THA should be 99.

[Sheba2011]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

If in game results prove otherwise, why should we believe it? He's human. He can make mistakes, and things can change.

Have you tested it thoroughly enough (more than a few games) to say in game performance says otherwise?

Not disagreeing with you as I don't really know but I tend to believe the guys who actually work on the game when they mention stuff like that. You are also a human and can make mistakes in you think you see.

[Mauler97]

Re: QB THA vs SAC/MAC/DAC

I think the biggest question that needs answered is this:

Why does a QB with all three pass accuracy attributes maxed out only have THA in the 70's?

My question isn't "where do these attributes come into play?" Rather, "why do DAC, MAC & SAC not correlate with THA?"

If all three are 99, THA should be 99.

Because in CFM, THA does not change. The guy I drafted was 79 THA at the time of his first game and still 79 in his 4th season when all 3 of his specific throwing accuracy's were 99's. THA should be an average of the 3 but it's not.

Also I have a hard time believing THA is for simmed games based on my QB who had a "simmed" 71% Comp rate with a 79 THA. I'm not trying to start an EA bashing war or argue with you, I'm just honestly telling you my experience and what I noticed in regards to THA.