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  • AdamJones113
    #AyJay
    • Apr 2013
    • 2764

    #1

    A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

    One of the few things that most people agree on in regards to NHL 15 is that the game has taken a TON of slack and not so much responsibility. So let me add to that once again with another long, seemingly-important NHL thread that most will probably not read.

    Where It Stands
    Let me say right off the bat before I am accused of bashing EA NHL's recent instalment that frankly, I think they made the right choice to devote the first year to gameplay (though plenty argue that they once again failed; I agree with that opinion in some parts of gameplay). That's the core for any game and they were perfectly correct in focusing on that and putting modes back in in the future. Though they once again forgot to work on goaltenders.

    Where they went wrong was the communication about the game. And the pricing. Did I mention that they stripped the game of the most popular mode, EASHL (user team co-op), most online features, and watered down the offline modes (took the Draft out of Be A GM mode) that were left in (no Season Mode, Playoff Mode was patched in). Yet EA still charged $60 for what was unarguably a barebones game. Oh, and you can't sim to your next shift in Be A Pro mode, rendering the mode basically useless for all but the hardcore Be A Pro player.

    Speaking of communication, Rammer didn't help his cause with what I will describe here as "inaccuracies." From an Operation Sports early interview (well before the game):

    Q: Why was NHL not on Next-Gen last year?
    Last year our team was laser-focused on delivering the greatest hockey experience to-date on the Xbox 360 and PS3. We are now in the position to benefit from the learnings that other teams in the studio have had with the next gen platforms to deliver on a brand new hockey experience that optimizes on all the added power and technology of the Xbox One and PS4, along with EA SPORTS IGNITE.
    Yet in more recent interviews Rammer claimed that technology "hurdles" cost them a ton of time. I quote Rammer from a different interview:
    By not being there for Year 1 we were able to let theFIFAs and the Maddens of the world kind of figure out all of the technological hurdles so we can spend more time focusing on the features for NHL 15.
    Or maybe not?

    On Be A Pro from another interview:
    SR: In Be-A-Pro, you’ll be able to play with a character in BAP, play in the NHL. It’ll be the same as before, the depth is there. With regards to setting us up for the future, the one piece that is not there is the Life the Life piece. Looking at the bar being set by other sports games, and us wanting to set ourselves up for the future and be better with all of our modes, so Live the Life is not there this year.
    Right. Same depth as before, minus sim to the next shift and coach feedback (patched in) and the CHL and the AHL.

    Last-gen (360, PS3) is the exact same with different commentary and a roster update.

    EA patched in FREE content update with more planned in October. In September they put in Playoff Mode, Coach Feedback (BeAPro), 3 Stars of the Game, and some HUT updates. Still no things like, say, Sim to the Next shift or Player Editing—but hey, we got 3 Stars! HUT is apparently buggy as ever. OTP (On-line Team Play) and a GM draft is scheduled to be patched in in October. I expect they will be.


    Where It's Going
    As I said before, I'm VERY glad EA focused on gameplay. That alone gives me hope for future iterations. However, the dev team will have to focus on modes next year or run the risk of drawing increased ire from the hockey gaming community and more lost sales. I doubt they focus on last-gen next year. In my mind there is no way Xbox 360 and PS3 see NHL 17.

    What is worrisome, however, is that with all the patches and content updates it seems that the developers will have less time to work on NHL 16. That's the scariest part; NHL 16 will, and has to be, good. Sales are down. 2k is showing some hockey interest.

    Your move, EA.
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  • s_mkheidze
    Rookie
    • Nov 2013
    • 208

    #2
    Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

    Originally posted by AdamJones113

    Where It's Going
    As I said before, I'm VERY glad EA focused on gameplay. That alone gives me hope for future iterations. However, the dev team will have to focus on modes next year or run the risk of drawing increased ire from the hockey gaming community and more lost sales. I doubt they focus on last-gen next year. In my mind there is no way Xbox 360 and PS3 see NHL 17.

    What is worrisome, however, is that with all the patches and content updates it seems that the developers will have less time to work on NHL 16. That's the scariest part; NHL 16 will, and has to be, good. Sales are down. 2k is showing some hockey interest.

    Your move, EA.
    Where did you see this? Last I heard they basically said that they are out of the hockey game genre.

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    • lhslancers
      Banned
      • Nov 2011
      • 3589

      #3
      Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

      One positive note. As a gamer who plays mostly sports games I have no need to upgrade consoles until Sony and EA make something worthwhile.

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      • AdamJones113
        #AyJay
        • Apr 2013
        • 2764

        #4
        Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

        Originally posted by s_mkheidze
        Where did you see this? Last I heard they basically said that they are out of the hockey game genre.
        OS had an article about them making a 2k iPhone hockey app. I'll try to find the link.
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        • AdamJones113
          #AyJay
          • Apr 2013
          • 2764

          #5
          Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

          Originally posted by AdamJones113
          OS had an article about them making a 2k iPhone hockey app. I'll try to find the link.
          http://www.operationsports.com/featu...-chris-snyder/
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          • lhslancers
            Banned
            • Nov 2011
            • 3589

            #6
            Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

            I know people play games on their phones but I don't consider that a full fledged effort at a new game. Started playing the EA hockey games after a long break from hockey games and put 2k10 in this morning. Lasted about 5 minutes. Ugh. I can imagine what the phone game looks like.

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            • Södy
              Rookie
              • Feb 2007
              • 133

              #7
              Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

              Originally posted by AdamJones113
              Where It's Going
              As I said before, I'm VERY glad EA focused on gameplay. That alone gives me hope for future iterations. However, the dev team will have to focus on modes next year or run the risk of drawing increased ire from the hockey gaming community and more lost sales. I doubt they focus on last-gen next year. In my mind there is no way Xbox 360 and PS3 see NHL 17.

              What is worrisome, however, is that with all the patches and content updates it seems that the developers will have less time to work on NHL 16. That's the scariest part; NHL 16 will, and has to be, good. Sales are down. 2k is showing some hockey interest.

              Your move, EA.
              Well, not exactly. Sure it takes time from NHL 16 but considering it will be the same engine, etc. it will be pretty easy to port these features from NHL 15 to 16. So they build the content anyway and just bring it to NHL 15.

              So they spend time on both of their games. There will be some time gone because of extra testing and making the patch packages but it is not that much.
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              • dhizzy
                Rookie
                • Jan 2014
                • 11

                #8
                Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                Originally posted by s_mkheidze
                Where did you see this? Last I heard they basically said that they are out of the hockey game genre.
                2K is making a mobile hockey game. They could find their way back to consoles eventually and considering the amount of depth that they put into the NBA2K series, they could blow EA out of the water with gameplay and modes and realism.

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                • canucksss
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2956

                  #9
                  Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                  Originally posted by dhizzy
                  2K is making a mobile hockey game. They could find their way back to consoles eventually and considering the amount of depth that they put into the NBA2K series, they could blow EA out of the water with gameplay and modes and realism.
                  I dont know if this will happen or if it happens I doubt it will be next year.

                  But if they make big amount of $$$ in NBA 2k15 and they delivered as promised, i am very sure they MIGHT contemplate in making another NFL and NHL. But I hope they take their time if they will eventually ventured in producing these 2 sports.

                  Just imagine if NBA 2k15 will be applied in NHL 15......i will be wow'ed.

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                  • Smirkin Dirk
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5170

                    #10
                    Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                    Here's where I think the series needs to go, as it has become stale. Gamemodes are a given, no need to even mention that.

                    1. Team/player differentation. Craig Adams should not be slinging passes like Sid Crosby. Look at the team ratings? Every team is rated between 86-90.

                    2. I posted this in the other thread, but the sound effects are stale. They dont sound like hockey.

                    3. Boardplay. It's amateurish. There is an overly simple control mechanism, a dice roll and a kick out.

                    4. Passing. Firstly, it's on permanent auto. Secondly, it has no depth. No puck physics. It's slow. It isnt responsive.

                    5. Get a deeper control scheme. Compared to the other sports games, its poor.

                    6. Make the controls work properly. Some are unresponsive. Every game I see a lose puck, start hitting up on the right stick wanting to shoot, and nothing.

                    7. Give defenders more options. At the moment, its spam poke check or normal check. That sucks.
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                    • drog1602
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 400

                      #11
                      Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                      I am going to wait until NHL17. Next year will just be the missing game modes patched back in.

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                      • actionhank
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 1530

                        #12
                        Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                        I had said it before seeing the train-wreck that the game became, when it started to look like that's how things might shape up, but i think once they can go full next-gen support and not have to devote any man power to last-gen (though it's hard to see what took much time away with the lack of revisions on the PS3/360 NHL15 releases) they can really shape the game better.

                        Graphically, they obviously have a perfect starting point. The commentary sounded a bit weak from all i've seen and heard, but that too can be improved and get more added to it.
                        But, most importantly, i like to hope they can completely break free from the old physics system, because from what i've seen i have a hard time believing this is a completely re-done game engine. If they can improve the gameplay, get important game modes back in, and give players the control (Defense alone is years behind in what you can actually control) then they will be back on top. I just wish there was someone like NHL2k pushing them to develop so the shot-callers at EA couldn't just say "Well, it's selling well enough. No need to get too crazy".

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                        • canucksss
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2956

                          #13
                          Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                          Originally posted by actionhank
                          I just wish there was someone like NHL2k pushing them to develop so the shot-callers at EA couldn't just say "Well, it's selling well enough. No need to get too crazy".
                          I know that competition from companies will push each other to out class the other and the primary beneficiary will be the consumers. But if no competition, that does not mean that the only company producing (ex. EA) can produce a lousy, half-hearted, little to no effort kind of a product.

                          If they want respect, love the product they're selling, love the sport they represent and their goal is not only make huge profit but also satisfy their consumers, they should create a product where they put the "love" in their product. Obviously EA is not passionate about the NHL based alone on their effort in NHL 15. It seems to me that the only thing they are producing this product is because its a sure money for them for they do not have any competition at all. Thats a poor business ethics IMO.

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                          • 13whitebread
                            ORIGINAL SIX FAN
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 575

                            #14
                            Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                            This is not a post to rip EA but after this NHL debacle. There has to be a change somehow someway they need to fix this and not by just putting season mode back in.

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                            • DARKNITE4LIFE
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 178

                              #15
                              Re: A Personal Projection For NHL 16 Based on NHL 15

                              Originally posted by canucksss
                              I know that competition from companies will push each other to out class the other and the primary beneficiary will be the consumers. But if no competition, that does not mean that the only company producing (ex. EA) can produce a lousy, half-hearted, little to no effort kind of a product.

                              If they want respect, love the product they're selling, love the sport they represent and their goal is not only make huge profit but also satisfy their consumers, they should create a product where they put the "love" in their product. Obviously EA is not passionate about the NHL based alone on their effort in NHL 15. It seems to me that the only thing they are producing this product is because its a sure money for them for they do not have any competition at all. Thats a poor business ethics IMO.
                              Competition is the key...

                              I've always had the train of thought that the DEVs of this series don't ever watch hockey. I mean, how else do you explain Doc not screaming "SSCCOORREESSS!!!" at all!?!?!? That's like, his trademark. It's what he's know for, other than the poetic like banter.

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