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  • GisherJohn24
    MVP
    • Aug 2008
    • 4603

    #1

    Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

    Or would you rather stick with what you got and have them keep adding game modes?


    I look back at sports games of the past. Sometimes when modes were removed, they played better on the field (or court). Live 10 was pretty much gutted of modes, yet, as most of you know, it was probably the best NBA Live ever.


    Me personally? I would rather have gameplay be the focus. Remove everything, till the gameplay is exactly how it should be. Somewhat what EA did for NHL 15 on Next gen. It's gutted, but like the article says, the new engine is a blast to play with and the game itself plays brilliantly.


    I don't mind when developers take this route.
  • BadAssHskr
    XSX
    • Jun 2003
    • 3540

    #2
    Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

    I for one would just have a game labeled nfl football.

    when you pop it in, sure there are options to personalize your game experience, however, what you actually do is compete in a game of football.

    yeah, i've never played a mascot game, a tutorial, mut, very little practice mode.

    my copy has seen play now, all the sliders, rosters, load/save and online cfm.
    "Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory."

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    • superxero27
      Pro
      • May 2006
      • 680

      #3
      Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

      Neither. Work on gameplay yes, but don't strip out everything else. Remember the jump to Madden 06 on360/ps3?

      Rather, stick with the modes we have. Work on gameplay and things like progression and customization.

      But a couple years ago, I think it was Haumiller, mentioned that EA's approach was about new back-of-box features that wow reviewers because that is what drives casual fan sales.

      In 2014 it would be extremely stupid for EA to strip out everything else in favor of Play Now. Even it it were the best playing game ever conceived, sales would be in the toilet and we'd never see another. And those "I'm more hardcore/zealous sim than you" gamers would be the first ones to cry foul.
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      • GisherJohn24
        MVP
        • Aug 2008
        • 4603

        #4
        Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

        Originally posted by superxero27
        Neither. Work on gameplay yes, but don't strip out everything else. Remember the jump to Madden 06 on360/ps3?

        Rather, stick with the modes we have. Work on gameplay and things like progression and customization.

        But a couple years ago, I think it was Haumiller, mentioned that EA's approach was about new back-of-box features that wow reviewers because that is what drives casual fan sales.

        In 2014 it would be extremely stupid for EA to strip out everything else in favor of Play Now. Even it it were the best playing game ever conceived, sales would be in the toilet and we'd never see another. And those "I'm more hardcore/zealous sim than you" gamers would be the first ones to cry foul.
        But if you remove modes they can put all their effort to the gameplay right?
        Last edited by GisherJohn24; 10-02-2014, 03:04 PM.

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        • superxero27
          Pro
          • May 2006
          • 680

          #5
          Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

          Originally posted by GisherJohn24
          But if you remove modes they can put all their effort to tge gameplay right?
          Sure, if everyone working on the thing all did the same things and didn't specialize.

          They could also do that by focusing on fixing what we have instead of inventing new ones.

          Not inventing new ones all the time would free up some manhours for those individuals to instead build a new engine and integrate existing features over time prior to release, but that requires a very longterm vision for the franchise which they don't seem to have.
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          - University of North Texas


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          NCAAF/B - Arizona Wildcats, Northern Arizona Lumberjacks, North Texas Mean Green

          I find it amusing that the OS icon for NAU is 20 years (and three rebrands!) out of date.

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          • Jm0ney2001
            MVP
            • Nov 2003
            • 1352

            #6
            Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

            How did that work out for nhl this year?

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            • GisherJohn24
              MVP
              • Aug 2008
              • 4603

              #7
              Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

              Originally posted by Jm0ney2001
              How did that work out for nhl this year?
              Gameplay is better. So I heard

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              • Jet Sufferer
                MVP
                • Jul 2008
                • 1347

                #8
                Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                I think the real question you're asking here is do you wish Madden would just make a great football game, and the answer from here is yes.

                This begs the question is why isn't a great game yet, is it because of the focus on the other modes and especially the huge focus on the cash cow that is Ultimate Team?

                I don't think so, it seems to me that the problem is the talent to make a great football game isn't there at Tiburon, or they would have made one already.

                What I'm starting to realize is that there just aren't that many great game developers out there and a lot of mediocre ones, just like any other profession.

                It seems to me that the only 2 gold standard sports game makers are the guys who make the show and the guys who make 2k hoops. Additionally the guys who made NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8 are literally 10 years ahead of the guys who code Madden year in and year out.

                That's not a knock on them personally, just how I see it from my sofa with a controller in my hands.

                Not every basketball player is Michael Jordan, not every singer is Marvin Gaye. So in summation I don't think them stripping all the modes in Madden and just focusing on the gameplay would make it great, it would just be marginally better and just missing a bunch of modes.

                Until EA Sports identifies and hires the very best at what they do and let them code Madden, we will have Madden Ball. This was my strategy from the beginning of the exclusive license if I'm the guy running EA Sports. Find the guys who made 2K football, offer them double what they're making at their current jobs and let THEM make Madden.

                Unfortunately for me and a good percentage of the rest of the people playing or not playing Madden, I am most certainly NOT the guy running EA Sports.

                It has always seemed to me that the focus on Madden has been to pretty up the graphics and spend literally tens of millions of marketing muscle on the game. Divert some millions away from the marketing of your mediocre product and put it into the product itself then you won't NEED to endlessly advertise and market your product up to and BEYOND the point of market saturation.

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                • EarthboundMysfit
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 72

                  #9
                  Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                  Originally posted by Jet Sufferer
                  I think the real question you're asking here is do you wish Madden would just make a great football game, and the answer from here is yes.

                  This begs the question is why isn't a great game yet, is it because of the focus on the other modes and especially the huge focus on the cash cow that is Ultimate Team?

                  I don't think so, it seems to me that the problem is the talent to make a great football game isn't there at Tiburon, or they would have made one already.

                  What I'm starting to realize is that there just aren't that many great game developers out there and a lot of mediocre ones, just like any other profession.

                  It seems to me that the only 2 gold standard sports game makers are the guys who make the show and the guys who make 2k hoops. Additionally the guys who made NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8 are literally 10 years ahead of the guys who code Madden year in and year out.

                  That's not a knock on them personally, just how I see it from my sofa with a controller in my hands.

                  Not every basketball player is Michael Jordan, not every singer is Marvin Gaye. So in summation I don't think them stripping all the modes in Madden and just focusing on the gameplay would make it great, it would just be marginally better and just missing a bunch of modes.

                  Until EA Sports identifies and hires the very best at what they do and let them code Madden, we will have Madden Ball. This was my strategy from the beginning of the exclusive license if I'm the guy running EA Sports. Find the guys who made 2K football, offer them double what they're making at their current jobs and let THEM make Madden.

                  Unfortunately for me and a good percentage of the rest of the people playing or not playing Madden, I am most certainly NOT the guy running EA Sports.

                  It has always seemed to me that the focus on Madden has been to pretty up the graphics and spend literally tens of millions of marketing muscle on the game. Divert some millions away from the marketing of your mediocre product and put it into the product itself then you won't NEED to endlessly advertise and market your product up to and BEYOND the point of market saturation.
                  Pretty much this ^...

                  NFL2K5 is STiLL the greatest football game I've ever experienced, top to bottom. NCAA '07 would probably be #2.

                  To the question at hand: yes and no. Yes MUT can go,, no if, ands or buts about it. No on everything else, especially offline CFM, because to me, the offline 'chose mode is and always has been and will/should always be the bread and butter of any home entertainment football video game.

                  That's where the focus should be(offline CFM), and that is where the consumer should notice that its been perfected by the devs and shines during gameplay/immersion/going through menus, etc.

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                  • roadman
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 26339

                    #10
                    Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                    I don't even look at MUT, but it isn't going anywhere, it's a moneymaker.

                    I don't think the chipping away a year at a time is working, either.

                    Maybe gutting everything could work, who knows.

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                    • heelphreak
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1022

                      #11
                      Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                      Offer an expansion for purchase next year that's just the updated rosters, and take the year off to really get the game right.
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                      • roadman
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 26339

                        #12
                        Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                        Originally posted by heelphreak
                        Offer an expansion for purchase next year that's just the updated rosters, and take the year off to really get the game right.
                        That probably won't happen.

                        1. They are mandated to produce a yearly title with the NFL liscense.
                        2. Stockholders would be furious and jump ship.

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                        • rufusone
                          Rookie
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 94

                          #13
                          Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                          My 2 cents worth = I never play MUT and could care less about it. Gameplay is all I really care about and having fun.

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                          • blinkingmario
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 14

                            #14
                            Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                            Originally posted by Jet Sufferer
                            I think the real question you're asking here is do you wish Madden would just make a great football game, and the answer from here is yes.

                            This begs the question is why isn't a great game yet, is it because of the focus on the other modes and especially the huge focus on the cash cow that is Ultimate Team?

                            I don't think so, it seems to me that the problem is the talent to make a great football game isn't there at Tiburon, or they would have made one already.

                            What I'm starting to realize is that there just aren't that many great game developers out there and a lot of mediocre ones, just like any other profession.

                            It seems to me that the only 2 gold standard sports game makers are the guys who make the show and the guys who make 2k hoops. Additionally the guys who made NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8 are literally 10 years ahead of the guys who code Madden year in and year out.

                            That's not a knock on them personally, just how I see it from my sofa with a controller in my hands.

                            Not every basketball player is Michael Jordan, not every singer is Marvin Gaye. So in summation I don't think them stripping all the modes in Madden and just focusing on the gameplay would make it great, it would just be marginally better and just missing a bunch of modes.

                            Until EA Sports identifies and hires the very best at what they do and let them code Madden, we will have Madden Ball. This was my strategy from the beginning of the exclusive license if I'm the guy running EA Sports. Find the guys who made 2K football, offer them double what they're making at their current jobs and let THEM make Madden.

                            Unfortunately for me and a good percentage of the rest of the people playing or not playing Madden, I am most certainly NOT the guy running EA Sports.

                            It has always seemed to me that the focus on Madden has been to pretty up the graphics and spend literally tens of millions of marketing muscle on the game. Divert some millions away from the marketing of your mediocre product and put it into the product itself then you won't NEED to endlessly advertise and market your product up to and BEYOND the point of market saturation.
                            alot of truth to that im sure.

                            i think ea madden guys are just focused on the wrong things, marketing, how shinny they can make the box ect. every time madden makes the slightest innovative addition to game play they blow it up like they reached the moon or something, 2k5 has things in it i have still yet to see in my madden 15 xbox1.

                            Madden guys always like to talk and name drop people who showed up in Orlando to help them build the game, its so ridiculous that after this many years they think that were going to be blinded to the game after we have put in a few hours of game play.

                            If EA really cared about fans enjoying a good football game and not just about the money they would allow 2k to make football games again, because they would just want fans to enjoy football, but they don't care, they want you to buy it from them and no one else even if it sucks year after year and not give anyone a chance.

                            I really have started to lose all hope of waiting for They madden game, all i can hope for now is a few years down the road NFL cuts ties with EA exclusively and allows 2k a shot again.

                            You look at the amazing game play of nba2k 15 and can just imagine what kind of football game would be coming out as NFL2k 15. its so obvious it would be a mile higher than madden.
                            Last edited by blinkingmario; 10-02-2014, 05:35 PM.

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                            • snocone
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2014
                              • 468

                              #15
                              Re: Would you rather have all modes removed from Madden for a better playing game?

                              I don't know what is with you, but you've posted this in the NBA 2K subforum too. Maybe try posting it in the NHL one, and see how people feel about a game that actually did this.

                              Plus I doubt you could move all of the people who work on the gamemodes and have them work on gameplay as easily as you think. Not to mention the problem with too many cooks, etc

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