3 Things That Are Killing M25 For Me

[kcsam]

The titles says it all. So let me start..

1). CPU sack issue
Has anyone found a slider set (including penalties) that prevents the CPU QB from taking countless sacks? I play coach mode, so really, it affects both HUM and CPU QB. It seems the LE is unstoppable no matter who you have at RT and no matter what the LE's rating is.

2). QB's completion % WAY too high/Pass defense AWFUL
It seems to me that every single QB plays like they are Peyton Manning. I play with Derek Car (coach mode, again) and he continually goes toe to toe with Tom Brady in my test games. Is there a QB ACC and a Defensive Pass slider set that actually gets the players to play as their ratings suggest?

3). HB auto-subs
For the life of me I cannot find a stamina/auto-sub pairing that actually brings in the #2 HB for 5-8 carries a game. If I am able to achieve him entering the game for a few touches, the #1 disappears in the 2nd half to not be seen again. Anyone have a stamina/auto-sub set that actually works for HB's?

[camo]

Re: 3 Things That Are Killing M25 For Me

I don't know how people can play coach mode. Seems boring. If you searched the threads you'll find that these issues are well documented already. That being said, I played the heck out of m25. It's a great game.

[kcsam]

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I play coach mode for realism. If I didn't, I would win each and every game by at least 35 and go 19-0 year in and year out. That may be fun for you, but I like to play the game for strategical reasons (FA, draft, etc), not arcade. Playing any other way seems boring to me.

[lisinas]

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Kcsam i might have idea for u but i need to know 2 things:
1.do u have 2 controllers ?
2.do you care a lot about rebuilding teams?Basically i wanna know how much that means to you on your cfm

[kcsam]

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Yep, I have 2 controllers.

Rebuilding? Sure. I like to play with my Raiders, and as we all know they're in DESPERATE need of a rebuild!

What do you have in mind, Lisinas? You've helped me out a lot since I've gotten 25, so I'm all ears.

[Steel4Reel]

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For the sack issue....are you playing on All Madden? They usually dont translate well to coach mode.

I dont have my sliders set yet, but Im playing on all pro with pass blocking for both teams down to 0. However, some DLineman seem UNDERpowered and the sacks that do happen are on blitzes and when the QB holds the ball too long.

I think you have to be willing to make concessions when playing this game because there will always be something off.

[kcsam]

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Well, right now I'm just playing Play Now games since I don't want to start my CFM until I have the sliders ironed out. The difficult days "custom", but I assume it's All Pro due to the kicking meter speed. I've read All Pro is the route to go over All Madden since the latter is more arcade'ish and leads to the CPU cheating a bit.

Wow, 0 pass blocking?? Another EA backwards slider, huh? Never fails to amaze.. Do you play coach mode? If so, I'd be interested in seeing your sliders once you get them together. I don't mind blitz sacks, I just mind my LE Lamar Woodley not averaging 5 sacks a game!

I look forward to seeing some sliders you have for 25. Thanks for the reply.

[lisinas]

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Well I've been introduced into interesting CFM idea by this fellow madden player and streamer and Im having a blast using it in my CFM.

Basically what you do is control all 32 and play as all 32teams, you assign one controller to each team, you play as offenses only, there is some house rules like looking away from your tv when you are picking defensive play for the team on defense so you dont know if you are gonna get blitzed or if it will be man or zone coverage etc. , sticking to suggested plays is also one of the house rules but if you dont like it you can pick anything on offense. Now obviously if you are playing as 32 teams in all games that leaves you with 256 games per season to be played so if you are into rebuilding this is out of the question. However that being said there is a workaround if you want to focus on your Raiders only, assuming you have 32 profiles created in your CFM you can only play Raiders games this way and sim the rest of them... now why im suggesting this for you ? Because when you have 2 controllers assigned to each team you are essentially playing User vs User which only requires you to have a good User slider set which is extremely easy to do. I dont have any gameplay related problems once i started playing this way not to mention gameplay is more realistic than its ever been, i have perfect "real life" like stats in my games, no ROBO QB anymore, no sacks issue etc, no Auto subs for HB needed since i can switch it up via formation subs or depth chart menu for both teams.

If you are interested in giving this a shot i could hook you up with my user slider set and you could tweak it to your own liking from there.

[Steel4Reel]

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Well, right now I'm just playing Play Now games since I don't want to start my CFM until I have the sliders ironed out. The difficult days "custom", but I assume it's All Pro due to the kicking meter speed. I've read All Pro is the route to go over All Madden since the latter is more arcade'ish and leads to the CPU cheating a bit.

Wow, 0 pass blocking?? Another EA backwards slider, huh? Never fails to amaze.. Do you play coach mode? If so, I'd be interested in seeing your sliders once you get them together. I don't mind blitz sacks, I just mind my LE Lamar Woodley not averaging 5 sacks a game!

I look forward to seeing some sliders you have for 25. Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, Im doing coach mode right now.

Maybe I will post them sometime this weekend.

Like I said, still trying to iron things out. The sliders look odd, but they have actually have given me some good games. Playing as the Steelers against the Ravens, I just had a good game where they beat me 15-14....but I shouldve won....I am terrible at kicking FGs and missed 4 of them. Might have to edit field goal sliders for myself.

Also, its important to keep in mind that the penalty sliders drastically affect gameplay. Just as much as regular sliders...

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...38&postcount=2

I am still tinkering around. My two issues right now are 1) the CPU QB holds the ball WAAAAY too long sometimes, and thats partly because of the other issue 2) overpowered OLineman. The pass blocking is at 0 for both user and CPU and it still happens, so I am tinkering with penalty sliders right now...mainly holding and offsides, since those affect pass rushing and blocking.

For the most part though, the stats are good. Sacks still happen, but like I said, they dont feel natural. They usually happen when the QB holds onto the ball for the like 8 seconds and the Dlineman/linebacker FINALLY beats the Olineman. And the OTs I have on the Steelers arent that good. Last game I played, the Ravens had 3 sacks and I think I had 2.

So, Ill mess around with it a little more and post what i have. If I cant figure it out by Sunday, Ill post them anyway. At least it will fix your overpowered DE issues.

[kcsam]

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Well I've been introduced into interesting CFM idea by this fellow madden player and streamer and Im having a blast using it in my CFM.

Basically what you do is control all 32 and play as all 32teams, you assign one controller to each team, you play as offenses only, there is some house rules like looking away from your tv when you are picking defensive play for the team on defense so you dont know if you are gonna get blitzed or if it will be man or zone coverage etc. , sticking to suggested plays is also one of the house rules but if you dont like it you can pick anything on offense. Now obviously if you are playing as 32 teams in all games that leaves you with 256 games per season to be played so if you are into rebuilding this is out of the question. However that being said there is a workaround if you want to focus on your Raiders only, assuming you have 32 profiles created in your CFM you can only play Raiders games this way and sim the rest of them... now why im suggesting this for you ? Because when you have 2 controllers assigned to each team you are essentially playing User vs User which only requires you to have a good User slider set which is extremely easy to do. I dont have any gameplay related problems once i started playing this way not to mention gameplay is more realistic than its ever been, i have perfect "real life" like stats in my games, no ROBO QB anymore, no sacks issue etc, no Auto subs for HB needed since i can switch it up via formation subs or depth chart menu for both teams.

If you are interested in giving this a shot i could hook you up with my user slider set and you could tweak it to your own liking from there.

So do you just sim kicks and punts? Wow, you have to have 32 user profiles?! I've not yet been into CFM, so I don't know all that's involved. Maybe that's something relatively simple, I don't know. I'm confused about the rebuilding part though. Why couldn't you just sim the other 30 teams games and do the user vs user in all of my Raider games and still be able to do roster moves, FA and the draft?

This actually sounds like a good idea. It's too bad you can't do cpu vs. cpu in CFM then it'd be much easier, but I guess you would lose total control of play-calling and all in game decisions. It would be more like GM mode, but I'd be fine with that.

[kcsam]

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Yeah, Im doing coach mode right now.

Maybe I will post them sometime this weekend.

Like I said, still trying to iron things out. The sliders look odd, but they have actually have given me some good games. Playing as the Steelers against the Ravens, I just had a good game where they beat me 15-14....but I shouldve won....I am terrible at kicking FGs and missed 4 of them. Might have to edit field goal sliders for myself.

Also, its important to keep in mind that the penalty sliders drastically affect gameplay. Just as much as regular sliders...

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...38&postcount=2

I am still tinkering around. My two issues right now are 1) the CPU QB holds the ball WAAAAY too long sometimes, and thats partly because of the other issue 2) overpowered OLineman. The pass blocking is at 0 for both user and CPU and it still happens, so I am tinkering with penalty sliders right now...mainly holding and offsides, since those affect pass rushing and blocking.

For the most part though, the stats are good. Sacks still happen, but like I said, they dont feel natural. They usually happen when the QB holds onto the ball for the like 8 seconds and the Dlineman/linebacker FINALLY beats the Olineman. And the OTs I have on the Steelers arent that good. Last game I played, the Ravens had 3 sacks and I think I had 2.

So, Ill mess around with it a little more and post what i have. If I cant figure it out by Sunday, Ill post them anyway. At least it will fix your overpowered DE issues.

I just checked out the penalty slider link you provided. That's all interesting. Most of those I have heard about prior, but it's good to see a detailed description about each. There's a few I'll need to switch around based off of that link. Thanks for sending.

I don't even do FG's anymore. I sim those plays for me, but let the CPU go ahead and kick them. Seems more fair that way. And I've actually seen a sim blocked FG! Never seen that in game play.

That sounds great. I'd love to try them out when you get them updated/completed. Too bad there's not a slider for how long the QB holds on to the ball!

[lisinas]

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So do you just sim kicks and punts? Wow, you have to have 32 user profiles?! I've not yet been into CFM, so I don't know all that's involved. Maybe that's something relatively simple, I don't know. I'm confused about the rebuilding part though. Why couldn't you just sim the other 30 teams games and do the user vs user in all of my Raider games and still be able to do roster moves, FA and the draft?

This actually sounds like a good idea. It's too bad you can't do cpu vs. cpu in CFM then it'd be much easier, but I guess you would lose total control of play-calling and all in game decisions. It would be more like GM mode, but I'd be fine with that.

This idea to me was introduced by a madden player who doesnt play coach mode and neither do i, so i dont sim anything and as i mentioned we only play offenses and pick random play for defensive team from the suggested plays. Also like i mentioned you dont need to play as all 32 teams and play all their games if you dont want to but initial idea behind this was to do that just for the sake of something new, different and surprisingly realistic however like i said already in your case you could just play as raiders and sim the rest of the games because you obviously wanna focus on one team instead of 32 teams lol, its up to you if you play as 32teams and play 256 in a season or if you wanna stick to one, two, five or w/e amount of teams you want to. Basically playing all games and user vs user part is not connected so its your choice. As for profiles yes you need to create 32team profiles if you wanna do 32team CFM (cuts, depth charts for all teams etc.) but it takes like 10 minutes so its not big of a deal, then again if you dont care about cuts, depth charts and all that stuff you can create one profile for your Raiders and then after you already started your CFM just before you play your weekly game create a new profile for the team that you are playing against that week and then retire that profile (opposing team's profile) after you played your game, i havnt done this myself but I've read about people doing this for their own reasons.

To avoid any confusion i just wanna make this clear: if you play it this way you have to play as offenses, you have to call plays on offense, pass the ball with QB, run the ball with HB etc. and you wanted to do coach mode initially which doesnt invovle any gameplay on your part afaik so this is a bit different from what you wanted, though i know of some ways to play user vs user differently. I've read about some people only snapping the ball on offense and if its a pass play they will only choose which receiver they wanna throw to and do that but they wont control player after he catches the ball since cpu does it on its own before you "break it" by pressing any buttons after receiver has caught the ball, same goes for running backs as you only need to snap the ball and then the running back will make his own moves if you dont press anything on your controller so you can play around with user vs user idea and see what you like best if it seems interesting enough for you from what I described.I also i wanna say that after starting this CFM im not gonna play regular CFMs like i used to for a long time cause this is the most fun I've had with madden ever, period.

[kcsam]

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Ok, I got you now. Makes more sense. When you say you just play offenses, does that mean you don't have a team of your own that you play with throughout the season? And when you pick the suggested play does that mean Madden Pick (play in the middle) or do you Game Flow?

So you can't let the CPU handle any of the cuts, FA or draft when you have 32 team profiles created? That seems like a TON of extra work! But I guess it's he price you have to pay for realism. How awful is the CPU in making decisions in all of those regards? What I am asking is: is it necessary to take full control of all teams in order to keep things semi-realistic? Is this how you play? And if so, how long does it take for you to sign, draft, adjust depth charts, and cut for all teams?

What does EA make this game SOOO hard to enjoy?!

[lisinas]

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Ok, I got you now. Makes more sense. When you say you just play offenses, does that mean you don't have a team of your own that you play with throughout the season? And when you pick the suggested play does that mean Madden Pick (play in the middle) or do you Game Flow?

So you can't let the CPU handle any of the cuts, FA or draft when you have 32 team profiles created? That seems like a TON of extra work! But I guess it's he price you have to pay for realism. How awful is the CPU in making decisions in all of those regards? What I am asking is: is it necessary to take full control of all teams in order to keep things semi-realistic? Is this how you play? And if so, how long does it take for you to sign, draft, adjust depth charts, and cut for all teams?

What does EA make this game SOOO hard to enjoy?!

Yes, playing as all teams or rather all offenses was "invented" by the guy who wasnt much into rebuilding or playing with his own team (just like me) for various reasons (like slider issues, unrealistic sim stats, unrealistic repetitive gameplay, getting bored of your team and many other things) and he also tries to mimic real NFL in madden to an extent (so do I) and its easy to do when you are playing user vs user, right now the most exciting thing about this CFM to me (other than top notch gameplay that you get in user vs user) is to see how real nfl season will be compared to our madden season. When it comes to play picking we pick one of the 3 suggested plays for offense (i think its called ask madden or at least it used to be) except for when madden goes ******** and decides that you need to pass with the team that has 14 point lead with 4minutes left to play, in those cases you just use common sense and call a play or two of your own and we dont use gameflow. You can let CPU do everything even if you have 32 profiles created simply by setting the teams you dont want to control to auto pilot in the menus. As for cpu logic its beyond terrible in all things, resigning players, drafting, cutting players and depth charts, yes all those things are broken when CPU has to do that, depth charts and cuts take 2-4 hours depending on how fast you are so that might seem like a small headache and quite frankly it is, i have a few tricks of my own to make it faster though after so many CFMs played haha. Drafts and signings take less time imo but you have to think there more and you have to be objective if you want realism too obviously.

"What does EA make this game SOOO hard to enjoy?!" I've been asking this question myself since I've gotten into madden games and tried playing "sim style"

[kcsam]

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Your approach is interesting. Do you play full 15 min. quarters? How far along are you in your CFM? I'm imagining it takes you from Sept until Feb to complete all those games, huh?!

Alright, you've definitely sold me on full 32 team control! Whenever I start my CFM (had the game for a month now and STILL haven't started due to slider issues) I'll give that a shot. Hopefully it doesn't totally consume all my time while playing and I get burned out on it.

In the meantime, I guess we'll just keep our fingers crossed for a "sim style" game or slider set in the future. But, as you know, we shouldn't hold our breath.