NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

**Real2KInsider** · 11-19-2014, 05:00 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by darkknightrises

So how come we don't see rating changes? Are there none in this?

There were none, let's try not to get spoiled/entitled when a 150 player edit update was released last week.

**Real2KInsider** · 11-19-2014, 05:00 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

NBA 2K15 Power Rankings (11/18/14)

http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/2014/11/nba-2k15-power-rankings-111814.html

**Mikelopedia** · 11-19-2014, 06:43 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by Rashidi

NBA 2K15 Power Rankings (11/18/14)
http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com...gs-111814.html

Real nice work Rashidi, I was honestly surprised to see where Milwaukee came out.

**Find_the_Door** · 11-19-2014, 06:50 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by MadassMarsh

All accessory, injury/rotation, and position changes needed based on today's update

--ACCESSORIES--

Spoiler

--INJURIES/ROTATIONS-- (will update in the evening)

Spoiler

--POSITION CHANGES-- (updated Tariq Black and removed a few others)

Spoiler

Dorell Wright should be listed at SF/PF

Robin Lopez should not be listed as a PF

Batum should be listed as a SF/SG (Point forward)

Allen Crabbe should be a SG/SF

Cj McCollum is not in our rotation as he's out for a month with a broken finger .

**Mikelopedia** · 11-19-2014, 07:15 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by Batum Shaka Laka

Dorell Wright should be listed at SF/PF

Robin Lopez should not be listed as a PF

Batum should be listed as a SF/SG (Point forward)

Allen Crabbe should be a SG/SF

Cj McCollum is not in our rotation as he's out for a month with a broken finger .

Granted he's only played 29 minutes, 100% of DW's minutes have been at the 3

I dont have Robin Lopez as a PF I have him as a C/PF. He has spent 16% of his minutes on the floor with Chris Kaman. Only reason I made him C/PF. I know he's not really a 4 at all. Once again these edits were made based on lineups teams are using this year. And your squad has been playing them together despite both being strictly centers throughout their career. I originally had Kaman as the C/PF but changed it.

Batum hasn't played SG since 2013. I know he's a point forward but making him a 2 doesn't create that, his play types and making him a Play Initiator do.

Allen Crabbe has spent 96% of his entire career at SF.

I added the McCollum injury in my notes last night. The initial post you're quoting was based on yesterday's update and before news broke of CJ's injury. I always update lineup and injury notes twice a day both in the morning and evening.

**NewJerseyProdigy** · 11-19-2014, 10:35 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

missing some free agents. where is Sasha Vujacic? he was on the Clippers last season

**capitolrf** · 11-19-2014, 12:02 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Hey Beds, Bradley Beal is most likely coming back today against the Mavs. Webster, Blair & Rice Jr. will be the odd men out of the rotation. When you decide to officially do the Wiz lineup over.

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/bradley-beal-isnt-being-ruled-out-vs-mavericks

**teebee** · 11-19-2014, 12:13 PM

Need some Kanter Love! Increased ball handling, passing, perimeter shooting and def rating, miracles do happen! He's attempting to play Defense

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**WISports** · 11-19-2014, 01:11 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Nice job as always Beds.

Personally, I don't think there needs to be player rating updates every day. Once or twice a week is plenty IMO. Also makes it easier on you.

With that said, Giannis' potential should be 100.

**Find_the_Door** · 11-19-2014, 11:08 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by MadassMarsh

Granted he's only played 29 minutes, 100% of DW's minutes have been at the 3

I dont have Robin Lopez as a PF I have him as a C/PF. He has spent 16% of his minutes on the floor with Chris Kaman. Only reason I made him C/PF. I know he's not really a 4 at all. Once again these edits were made based on lineups teams are using this year. And your squad has been playing them together despite both being strictly centers throughout their career. I originally had Kaman as the C/PF but changed it.

Batum hasn't played SG since 2013. I know he's a point forward but making him a 2 doesn't create that, his play types and making him a Play Initiator do.

Allen Crabbe has spent 96% of his entire career at SF.

I added the McCollum injury in my notes last night. The initial post you're quoting was based on yesterday's update and before news broke of CJ's injury. I always update lineup and injury notes twice a day both in the morning and evening.

Last year Wright played PF during stretches for us.

Batum rarely if ever plays the 4 (same with 2) so he should be left alone.

Lopez shouldn't be changed he's a pure 5 - just because he plays the 4 in a lineup doesn't me he is that.

Crabbe should be a SF/SG

**Mikelopedia** · 11-19-2014, 11:41 PM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by Batum Shaka Laka

Last year Wright played PF during stretches for us.

Batum rarely if ever plays the 4 (same with 2) so he should be left alone.

Lopez shouldn't be changed he's a pure 5 - just because he plays the 4 in a lineup doesn't me he is that.

Crabbe should be a SF/SG

Yeah I know, but that's what I'm saying it's for accurate lineups THIS year. Team specific, 2014-2015 specific. Yeah Batum is like 98% SF 2%PF. The thing with Lopez is, that's what a secondary position is. He and Kaman play together so to help the auto subs (even though they're already quite flawed) one of them should have PF as their secondary position. It's not like I'm changing his primary position to PF.

It's like DWade for Miami. He's never really played the 3 his entire career until this season. So I made him a SG/SF because he, Cole and Chalmers play together. Or Napier, Chalmers, Wade.

**Real2KInsider** · 11-20-2014, 03:16 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by MadassMarsh

Allen Crabbe has spent 96% of his entire career at SF.

82games data needs to be taken with a grain of salt rather than face value. They frequently get positions wrong so you need to look at the actual lineup data and production.

The best example of this would be Goran Dragic. 82games lists him at PG in lineups with Bledsoe despite the following

Bledsoe: 6'2", 28 AST%, assisted on 24% of FG
Dragic: 6'4", 16 AST%, assisted on 42% of FG

Dragic is clearly playing off the ball more this year (and also plays far more mins w/ Thomas than Bledsoe d0es). He is defended by SG and defends SG. But 82games ignores all that. Most of their data is fine, just using Crabbe as a small example.

Yeah I know, but that's what I'm saying it's for accurate lineups THIS year. Team specific, 2014-2015 specific. Yeah Batum is like 98% SF 2%PF. The thing with Lopez is, that's what a secondary position is. He and Kaman play together so to help the auto subs (even though they're already quite flawed) one of them should have PF as their secondary position. It's not like I'm changing his primary position to PF.

My logic on these situations is the following.

Lopez has played 4% of the team's minutes at PF versus 52% of the team's minutes at C. That 4% is very low and given the large disparity it misleads rather than informs. The only reason Lopez has played PF is because Aldridge was hurt. However with a healthy rotation that will never, ever happen. As such, that 4% will diminish down to 1% by season's end provided Aldridge stays healthy.

If a player plays the vast majority of his minutes at one position and only token minutes at another, then a second position would not make sense because it's giving an opportunity for the AI to put a dumb lineup out there on the regular. Lopez/Kaman is Plan C, not the season-long Plan A.

An easy example that you already referenced.

Dwyane Wade 2014
PG: 2%
SG: 63%
SF: 3%

Wade-Allen-James and Chalmers-Cole-Wade were the only instances of Wade not playing SG in his top TWENTY lineups. That was 57 of his 1,775 total minutes. He's more than capable of playing either position but for rotation purposes he did not except in extreme circumstance.

**Mikelopedia** · 11-20-2014, 03:52 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by Rashidi

82games data needs to be taken with a grain of salt rather than face value. They frequently get positions wrong so you need to look at the actual lineup data and production.

The best example of this would be Goran Dragic. 82games lists him at PG in lineups with Bledsoe despite the following

Bledsoe: 6'2", 28 AST%, assisted on 24% of FG
Dragic: 6'4", 16 AST%, assisted on 42% of FG

Dragic is clearly playing off the ball more this year (and also plays far more mins w/ Thomas than Bledsoe d0es). He is defended by SG and defends SG. But 82games ignores all that. Most of their data is fine, just using Crabbe as a small example.

My logic on these situations is the following.

Lopez has played 4% of the team's minutes at PF versus 52% of the team's minutes at C. That 4% is very low and given the large disparity it misleads rather than informs. The only reason Lopez has played PF is because Aldridge was hurt. However with a healthy rotation that will never, ever happen. As such, that 4% will diminish down to 1% by season's end provided Aldridge stays healthy.

If a player plays the vast majority of his minutes at one position and only token minutes at another, then a second position would not make sense because it's giving an opportunity for the AI to put a dumb lineup out there on the regular. Lopez/Kaman is Plan C, not the season-long Plan A.

An easy example that you already referenced.

Dwyane Wade 2014
PG: 2%
SG: 63%
SF: 3%

Wade-Allen-James and Chalmers-Cole-Wade were the only instances of Wade not playing SG in his top TWENTY lineups. That was 57 of his 1,775 total minutes. He's more than capable of playing either position but for rotation purposes he did not except in extreme circumstance.

For the first part, you're absolutely right as I do not use 82games's data. I use basketball-reference and the inhuman amount of League Pass that I watch, as I do not 100% trust ANY position % stats out there.

In regards to Lopez, where you're mistaken is he and Kaman were not on the floor because of Aldridge being hurt. I made my position change list before Aldridge missed his recent games with injury. They were seeing the floor together at times as a planned rotation as Portland was not using anyone consistently as their backup 4.

As far as Dwyane Wade is concerned, I believe you're referencing last season's data (I know you are in the case of referencing a Wade Allen James lineup). I'm not concerned with previous years, only this season. Wade's ratio of SG to SF minutes this year is about 3:1 and he has not spent a single minute at PG this year. Cole-Chalmers-Wade is not the same Cole-Chalmers-Wade of last season.

I do agree with you on a player not requiring a secondary position when their minutes are broken down to only show less than 5% spent at a given position, and I tried to stay away from that as those numbers are scewed by late game situation lineups as well. In those situations I made judgement calls based on what I've seen in actual games and WHEN I've seen it. I know better than to look only at numbers.

**Real2KInsider** · 11-20-2014, 04:19 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by MadassMarsh

For the first part, you're absolutely right as I do not use 82games's data. I use basketball-reference and the inhuman amount of League Pass that I watch, as I do not 100% trust ANY position % stats out there.

BBRef can be just as inaccurate, I'm just saying the lineups themselves are needed.

In regards to Lopez, where you're mistaken is he and Kaman were not on the floor because of Aldridge being hurt. I made my position change list before Aldridge missed his recent games with injury. They were seeing the floor together at times as a planned rotation as Portland was not using anyone consistently as their backup 4.

From what I can tell in the most recent game w/ Aldridge healthy against the Pelicans Lopez played 27:46 and Kaman played 20:14 (total of 48:00 at center). Beyond the Nets game where Lopez/Leonard started (only possible because the Nets effectively have a double-center lineup), I'm not really seeing any games where Lopez could have gotten extended run at PF as Aldridge has otherwise played a ton of minutes and the Blazers are still giving minutes to the likes of Robinson and Freeland.

As far as Dwyane Wade is concerned, I believe you're referencing last season's data (I know you are in the case of referencing a Wade Allen James lineup). I'm not concerned with previous years, only this season. Wade's ratio of SG to SF minutes this year is about 3:1 and he has not spent a single minute at PG this year. Cole-Chalmers-Wade is not the same Cole-Chalmers-Wade of last season.

It was used as an example regarding Lopez's situation, not on anything regarding this season.

**Mikelopedia** · 11-20-2014, 04:49 AM

Re: NBA 2K15 Roster Update Details (11-18-14)

Originally posted by Rashidi

BBRef can be just as inaccurate, I'm just saying the lineups themselves are needed.

I know, like I said I don't trust any data on positions 100%. I don't know where to look for individual lineup data, so I've just been taking my own notes on every lineup used.

From what I can tell in the most recent game w/ Aldridge healthy against the Pelicans Lopez played 27:46 and Kaman played 20:14 (total of 48:00 at center). Beyond the Nets game where Lopez/Leonard started (only possible because the Nets effectively have a double-center lineup), I'm not really seeing any games where Lopez could have gotten extended run at PF as Aldridge has otherwise played a ton of minutes and the Blazers are still giving minutes to the likes of Robinson and Freeland.

They were using it the first 3 games of the season and most recently the game against the Clippers on nov 8th i think it was. I remember Lopez played 32 minutes and Kaman played 18. In all fairness, considering those 4 games were the examples and its been 10 days since they used it, and Freeland is getting more consistent run, I can probably change that.

It was used as an example regarding Lopez's situation, not on anything regarding this season.

Ah, my mistake.

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