In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

[Battman]

This thread needs to be kept under control. It is has already turned into a PES vs. Fifa topic instead actually discussing the review.

When you discuss a graded review you tend to compare it with other reviews.

[Battman]

People should really stop the type of things saying Fifa is garbage and PES is the real deal. Its like comparing Forza to Burnout. They are diferent games, aimed at diferent target audiences. Fifa tries to get closer to reality through appearence, shinning beauty all over, but the on ptich behaviour is far far away from reality, but I think that´s exactly the way they wanted to.

PES keeps the same approach of the ugly wonder. We can´t see the beauty only by looking at it, but his behaviour on the pitch is the closest to real soccer, though not perfect.

In my opinion that was true before the PS3 versions of the games. From 2007 on PES became more and more an arcade game and FIFA established more sim elements.

[Badattitude]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

Wow , so after a week with PES - I'm ready to shut it off....


I thought I was back - but this game is really PS2 Quality ...it's clunky menus, it's way too overdone with formations and possession etc ...

The game DOES NOT play better than FIFA , it's NOT more realistic ....in fact it's the complete opposite ...the uniforms the lack of pitches the lack just pure realness isn't there....

You can scale FIFA's speed down and get that sitting , waiting , buildup action you want - very easy and the FIFA AI is far more of a challenge to handle than PES ....

I don't mean to be FIFA v PES but people running around saying FIFA isn't a real game etc are lost - you can get that SIM feel plus all the great features like ..real kits etc ...

The give-up you make from FIFA to PES is just too steep to gain maybe a slight edge in one or two aspects of PES ....just way too much ...

FIFA is a brilliant ...it's the ONLY EA game that gets better and better every year ...

I was hoping PES would put me in the game ...you know when you play LA Liga on FIFA and it's Real v Barca - you FEEL it

[fearwhatnow]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

Wow , so after a week with PES - I'm ready to shut it off....


I thought I was back - but this game is really PS2 Quality ...it's clunky menus, it's way too overdone with formations and possession etc ...

The game DOES NOT play better than FIFA , it's NOT more realistic ....in fact it's the complete opposite ...the uniforms the lack of pitches the lack just pure realness isn't there....

You can scale FIFA's speed down and get that sitting , waiting , buildup action you want - very easy and the FIFA AI is far more of a challenge to handle than PES ....

I don't mean to be FIFA v PES but people running around saying FIFA isn't a real game etc are lost - you can get that SIM feel plus all the great features like ..real kits etc ...

The give-up you make from FIFA to PES is just too steep to gain maybe a slight edge in one or two aspects of PES ....just way too much ...

FIFA is a brilliant ...it's the ONLY EA game that gets better and better every year ...

I was hoping PES would put me in the game ...you know when you play LA Liga on FIFA and it's Real v Barca - you FEEL it

Yeah, right. We are sitting and waiting to see some build up action in FIFA nearly a decade now.
Also, pc users already have their game fully licensed.
Finally, you're maybe the only one member in OS that can't face the fact:
CPU AI, build up and CPU tactical play variation in PES 15 puts to shame every release of FIFA since '96.

[Badattitude]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

People turned in PES last 3 years in DROVES - utter ****e.... and PES Die Hards agreed - My God last year the ball was like a ping pong table - twas embarrassing ...

[orion523]

Nearly two weeks after release, and I'm still not sure how I feel. On the one hand, the CPU plays a smart, varied game that's a joy to behold. Unfortunately though that's where the 'joy" ends. Master League is laughable, unplayable even with 10-9 score lines, archaic menus, terrible transfer logic, pathetic commentary, and a dearth of licenses, that completely destroys any sense of immersion, and that's saying nothing about the complete lack of the Bundesliga which is arguably the greatest league in the world. BAL? Same problems. Online play? Awful. Physics? Yeah, awful. Season mode? Champions League? Everything is bogged down by poor design. So basically what we have is a great game of exhibition football. Yet somehow this game is getting insanely high reviews including the one here. Now I'm all for great gameplay, and I really do appreciate the strides that PES has made this year, but until they get it together and step it up everywhere else the game will remain second rate.

[xicpanad]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

I think that people were getting so screwed up with previous PEs editions, that now such an improvement makes them feel they are playing the best soccer game ever. A revolution to be honest. In my opinion its not more then just a good PES game. For me, a 7.5 would be generous. Gameplay its great but it just falls to short on everything else.

Nowadays we want the complete pack. Long gone are the testing days. After so many years of gaming experience, we expect the companies to finaly deliver full products. But it looks like they are enojoying the fact that people still buy incomplete stuff for the price of a full game. If PES wasn´t so good years ago, and this was in fact the first edition of a PES game, it would be considered the worst game for sure. But hey, its PES and we are all hoping for the next year already while we play this one.

[Badattitude]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

I was a HUGE Pes fan back in the day but FIFA has simply blown it;s door off in EVERY single facet ...

You wanna say the slow buildup is a treasure - fine....but watch Football today -the game has gotten faster ...long balls across the pitch swung in from insane distance ...speed demons all over the pitch ..the play is very much rushed in England - it's about moving uo the pitch quickly - FIFA plays quick ....

[delija66]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

Wow , so after a week with PES - I'm ready to shut it off....


I thought I was back - but this game is really PS2 Quality ...it's clunky menus, it's way too overdone with formations and possession etc ...

The game DOES NOT play better than FIFA , it's NOT more realistic ....in fact it's the complete opposite ...the uniforms the lack of pitches the lack just pure realness isn't there....

You can scale FIFA's speed down and get that sitting , waiting , buildup action you want - very easy and the FIFA AI is far more of a challenge to handle than PES ....

I don't mean to be FIFA v PES but people running around saying FIFA isn't a real game etc are lost - you can get that SIM feel plus all the great features like ..real kits etc ...

The give-up you make from FIFA to PES is just too steep to gain maybe a slight edge in one or two aspects of PES ....just way too much ...

FIFA is a brilliant ...it's the ONLY EA game that gets better and better every year ...

I was hoping PES would put me in the game ...you know when you play LA Liga on FIFA and it's Real v Barca - you FEEL it

Nice try

[fearwhatnow]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

I was a HUGE Pes fan back in the day but FIFA has simply blown it;s door off in EVERY single facet ...

You wanna say the slow buildup is a treasure - fine....but watch Football today -the game has gotten faster ...long balls across the pitch swung in from insane distance ...speed demons all over the pitch ..the play is very much rushed in England - it's about moving uo the pitch quickly - FIFA plays quick ....

1. PES 15 has teams with slow build up and teams with a faster one.
2. "..long balls across the pitch swung in from insane distance". Have you seen anything like this in FIFA 15?? (consoles version not the heavily modded pc one).

@Orion, KONAMI's football department is a small one. They have a limited amount of money and they can't beat EA providing a fully licensed game. That's never going to change. Also, I haven't seen anything wrong with the physics (ball or players). What do you think is wrong with the physics?
Master League ofc has many flaws, it isn't as shiny as EA's manager mode but it's playable. As long as the gameplay variation is there I'm able to "forget" all the presentation flaws. And gameplay is hands down the best ever in a football videogame. After dozens of games I'm still amazed with the cpu AI and the attacking variation I see in every match.
Finally, the game as I posted earlier is already fully licensed on PC. I know most people have the game on the new consoles but when they bought their new console they accepted Sony's and Microsoft's policy against any kind of modding.

[xicpanad]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

Yep, I bought a console because I told myself that I had enough of all the fine tuning and patches and evrything else that PC needs to run games properly. Its a pain in the *** to be able to play all games out of the box. Lots of settings on GPUs are necessary to improve games stability and performance and I just had enough of that. In console at least I can fire up a game and I know he will run flawlessly. I found that licenses and whatever are not that important to me, as long as I can play the damn game. Had a blast with Fifa and I´m slowly getting there with PES.

Why Konami didn´t grow enough to complete the game year after year I don´t understand, specially noticing lots of guys that make great patches after only a couple of months. Real names is not an issue to me, its easily editable, but lack of generic stadiums for each league, 2nd divisions for all leagues, even more leagues etc its just not understandable in these days. I can´t believe they can´t assign a couple guys to make them through one year. Still, game is easily enjoyed and I will spend several hours/days in master league adventures and custom cups.

[orion523]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

1. PES 15 has teams with slow build up and teams with a faster one.
2. "..long balls across the pitch swung in from insane distance". Have you seen anything like this in FIFA 15?? (consoles version not the heavily modded pc one).

@Orion, KONAMI's football department is a small one. They have a limited amount of money and they can't beat EA providing a fully licensed game. That's never going to change. Also, I haven't seen anything wrong with the physics (ball or players). What do you think is wrong with the physics?
Master League ofc has many flaws, it isn't as shiny as EA's manager mode but it's playable. As long as the gameplay variation is there I'm able to "forget" all the presentation flaws. And gameplay is hands down the best ever in a football videogame. After dozens of games I'm still amazed with the cpu AI and the attacking variation I see in every match.
Finally, the game as I posted earlier is already fully licensed on PC. I know most people have the game on the new consoles but when they bought their new console they accepted Sony's and Microsoft's policy against any kind of modding.

the physics system in the game is clearly a generation behind, it's not bad so to speak, just archaic like the rest of the game. And that's my issue, sure gameplay is fantastic but you can't do anything with it. I cannot justify spending any of my time with any of the game modes because they fall short when compared to the other game. I mean I get some guys beef with FIFA, I do, when you watch videos of those UT/online Streamers the game looks terrible, but with a good set of sliders FIFA plays a really great game of football.

[LingeringRegime]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

I am enjoying the hell out of League Mode. I like it because it gives me a fix while I am working on my edits for Master League. I have nearly all in the Sky Bet Championship edited and then it is on to the Bundesliga.

[kashik]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

For me, I ordered PES with a general idea of what to expect as far as presentation and game modes go. PES was not going to come close to touching Fifa in these areas. EA has almost exclusively stuck to building the presentation and pick up ability of Fifa. Gameplay gets tweaked year to year (for better or worse), but it's obvious that their goal is to put out a great looking/sounding product that you can jump right in to and enjoy. PES on the other hand seems to have thrown the presentation out the door and stuck with bare bone game modes. I believe Konami were aiming to provide deeper and more complicated gameplay, which can be rewarding and long lasting in itself. If I had gone into ordering PES thinking Konami had similar aims as EA, I most definitely would be disappointed.

It is saddening not having such a full experience as Fifa, where most leagues are licensed and the commentary is great, but I can forgive to some extent; we cannot expect as much from a lower budget game. If we can separate our expectations a bit with both games, I think it would be easier to enjoy them both.

I've got both games on my PS4. When my friends come over this weekend for a round of 2v2 drinking Fifa, I won't even suggest PES. When I've got some more time to myself throughout the week, I'll be diving into PES.

[fearwhatnow]

Re: In PES 2015, The Old Magic is Back on the Pitch (XB1/PS4 Review)

the physics system in the game is clearly a generation behind, it's not bad so to speak, just archaic like the rest of the game. And that's my issue, sure gameplay is fantastic but you can't do anything with it. I cannot justify spending any of my time with any of the game modes because they fall short when compared to the other game. I mean I get some guys beef with FIFA, I do, when you watch videos of those UT/online Streamers the game looks terrible, but with a good set of sliders FIFA plays a really great game of football.

Again you're unable to provide a clear answer about the physics system. "Just archaic", what does that mean? After a week with the game I have seen a fantastic variety in goals and chances. You say gameplay is fantastic. Gameplay includes the physics system.
I don't want to defend PES 15 and especially KONAMI. You know I have provided a great set of sliders for the modded pc version of FIFA 15 but I feel it's time to get the facts right. PES 15 is more football than FIFA 15.