Ratings discussion thread (official roster)

[joosegoose]

Since there is currently nowhere to discuss the current official roster attributes/tendencies, I figured I'd create this.

I haven't had a chance to play with today's update, but did sneak a peek as I was highly curious regarding the changes to speed. For the most part, the re-evaluation seems very fresh.

After an admittedly brief peek at a couple of teams, I noticed some oddities, though. Ronny Turiaf (80) is now faster than Ricky Rubio (~75 iirc). Dwight Howard is no slowpoke for a big man, but would he be the fastest player on some teams (88)? I admittedly don't know much about the Morris twins, but is Marcus (93) that much faster than Markieff (57)?

I know there are adjustments to come and I don't mean to overreact, especially since I won't be starting a new franchise until that sweet, sweet patch gets pushed to Steam

By the way 2k/VC, you're welcome to do that any time now

I just wanted to see some discussion, so let's discuss.

[jeebs9]

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Finally a place to talk about ratings!!! I haven't seen much myself. But it's weird to see the twins rated so differently. I'll have to play before I say anything. I saw someone say something about Ellis going from 96 to 84. That should get people talking.

[Branbran225]

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Jrue Holiday's defensive awareness and passing attributes need to increase. Also, AD's shot tendency needs to increase.

[redsox4evur]

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Finally a place to talk about ratings!!! I haven't seen much myself. But it's weird to see the twins rated so differently. I'll have to play before I say anything. I saw someone say something about Ellis going from 96 to 84. That should get people talking.

It was his speed rating that fell from a 96 to an 84

[joosegoose]

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It was his speed rating that fell from a 96 to an 84

Pretty sure he knew that, the point was that seeing players' speed change that much is going to get people talking. Kind of like Dwight Howard getting an 88 in speed.

[Find_the_Door]

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Wesley Matthews on-ball defense IQ needs a bump from 70 to about 81. He also needs "Gold Perimeter lock-down defender"

Matthews makes big clutch plays defensively game in and out.

[Real2KInsider]

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Since there is currently nowhere to discuss the current official roster attributes/tendencies, I figured I'd create this.

I haven't had a chance to play with today's update, but did sneak a peek as I was highly curious regarding the changes to speed. For the most part, the re-evaluation seems very fresh.

After an admittedly brief peek at a couple of teams, I noticed some oddities, though. Ronny Turiaf (80) is now faster than Ricky Rubio (~75 iirc). Dwight Howard is no slowpoke for a big man, but would he be the fastest player on some teams (88)? I admittedly don't know much about the Morris twins, but is Marcus (93) that much faster than Markieff (57)?

I know there are adjustments to come and I don't mean to overreact, especially since I won't be starting a new franchise until that sweet, sweet patch gets pushed to Steam

By the way 2k/VC, you're welcome to do that any time now

I just wanted to see some discussion, so let's discuss.

88 speed means they're using my speed scale. It's based on draft combine.

Unfortunately that means they didn't factor in 10 years of Howard's evolution, he's not exactly the crazy athlete he was as a teenager.

[capitolrf]

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If you look closely the quickness rating was adjusted too, to counter speed ratings. If you think about it some players can get up & down the floor, but can't move side to side as fast. Also add the fact that most players half-*** it out there, & don't give it their all relates to some dropping in speeds. This should be good cause Face-Up players should be more effective if they get a step. Big men shouldn't be able to check guards. Post moves should be more effective (not post shots). Just because a person is fast on offense, doesn't mean he should be just as fast on defense, especially if he doesn't defend well at all.

I am worried , if Speed is considered back & forth, while Quickness is side to side. The left-right cheeses will be even more effective till Patch 3 is release.

[bedwardsroy19]

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If you look closely the quickness rating was adjusted too, to counter speed ratings. If you think about it some players can get up & down the floor, but can't move side to side as fast. Also add the fact that most players half-*** it out there, & don't give it their all relates to some dropping in speeds. This should be good cause Face-Up players should be more effective if they get a step. Big men shouldn't be able to check guards. Post moves should be more effective (not post shots). Just because a person is fast on offense, doesn't mean he should be just as fast on defense, especially if he doesn't defend well at all.

I am worried , if Speed is considered back & forth, while Quickness is side to side. The left-right cheeses will be even more effective till Patch 3 is release.

Just to clarify

Speed is more of their top end speed, Quickness deals more with their acceleration. Monta's 98 Quickness makes him very explosive and his attacking play style is very well represented. Trevor Booker on the other hand has one of the highest top end speeds in the league and that is why his rating reflects that.

Quoted from a different thread so there isn't confusion in this one as well

[joosegoose]

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88 speed means they're using my speed scale. It's based on draft combine.

Unfortunately that means they didn't factor in 10 years of Howard's evolution, he's not exactly the crazy athlete he was as a teenager.

This is good to know, my biggest curiosity was what exactly they based the new speed ratings off of. It's going to stink if they don't adjust for age though.

And this is a different issue entirely, but the difference between real players and cpu-generated players will be even more stark now. Cpu-generated big men are going to seem so ridiculously slow.

[jeebs9]

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I really can't wait to see the difference tonight.

[alabamarob]

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This is good to know, my biggest curiosity was what exactly they based the new speed ratings off of. It's going to stink if they don't adjust for age though.

And this is a different issue entirely, but the difference between real players and cpu-generated players will be even more stark now. Cpu-generated big men are going to seem so ridiculously slow.

They tell you in the roster post where the speed numbers come from. The cameras in the stadium now keep track of all of this.

[joosegoose]

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They tell you in the roster post where the speed numbers come from. The cameras in the stadium now keep track of all of this.

Every player in the NBA had their Speed rating re-evaluated based on 2014-15 Player Tracking analytics which included player’s top sprint speed and timing.

I read this and was thankful for it, but it's still not that specific. We don't know how exactly they are coming up with the speed rating (not that we should expect to).

[Real2KInsider]

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I read this and was thankful for it, but it's still not that specific. We don't know how exactly they are coming up with the speed rating (not that we should expect to).

It's a formula based on the speed tracked.

The bigger question really is whether the formula/scale works within the game. The roster editor isn't really responsible for that, it's up to the game designers to have the ratings reflect performance.

English: a 55 speed rating by 2K scale may not reflect the players real life speed if speed rating doesn't scale cleany.

Ex: 50 2k-speed = 5 mph in game
IRL: player actually runs 7 mph

There are lots of variables with this, for example I believe in past 2k games a taller player would run faster than a shorter player with equal speed rating because their limbs are longer (which kinda ties into why bugs have had such low speed ratings for years).

I'm at a bar on mobile, pardons for any poor structure

[joosegoose]

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It's a formula based on the speed tracked.

I just meant that we don't have complete transparency (not that it should be expected). We don't know exactly what speed was tracked, or the formula. I wouldn't care but seeing such a large difference between the Morris twins has me at least curious.

It'll be interesting to see if speed is rebalanced around this new ratings system, either this year or next. As you said, the game was designed with certain values in mind.