Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

[Kobrakai]

For once, just once, I'd like to be able to play a game of NBA2K15 where good ball movement, accurate cuts, good kickouts and closeouts are the ingredient to victory rather than finding ways to hold down the turbo button and dunk every possible shot.

Take this new MyTeam challenge, for example - it's just sad that people have run game after game before coming to the conclusion that the only way to win is to stack your team full of dunkers and run at the CPU trying to milk foul calls.

Domination is the same - if you play a game where you beat the CPU by 30 points by running plays and keeping the score realistic, you don't have a chance in hell of getting the MT points to win the reward packs. So people just speed up the tempo to a ridiculous run-and-gun tempo and end up getting more rewarded for it... and people wonder why many online players are so cheesy?

With habits like this for most first-timers encouraged with the introduction offline, what incentive do they have to learn how to play ACTUAL basketball when they can just play this unrealistic BS and see much better results?

If 2K wants to market this as a "simulation" game, then they need to get their **** together and reward smart gameplay and logical roster construction rather than inane Harlem Globetrotter crap.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

It's getting there will never be perfect .

I play the rec a lot . This is the most sim online experience I've had in 2k playing with Randoms. Are there cheesers And abusers ? Yes. But for the most part I get a pretty good basketball experience .

I can't speak for my team this year but for me the sim out weighs the cheese and abusers

[Landonio]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

It's partly this generation of entitled, instant-gratication, no-skill brats whose first game was Modern Warfare 2, and partly your fault for buying a sports game and willingly going online. Sports games have honestly been cheese-city since their inception. If you're just now realizing that, then shame on you.

Offline franchise mode in any sports game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all.

[capitolrf]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Stop playing them arcade modes. MyTeam, The Park/Rec or all arcade modes.

You can't control the experience, because it's a create-a-mode. Either your creating a team or player. Those modes are designed for fun factor, not to be played realistically. You can have an All-Star team with legends from different era's on MyTeam. Your not playing realistic ball with no scrubs on the team. A team filled with MJ, Kobe, Lebron, etc.... will have almost anybody driving the lane to dunk for damn near the whole game.

MyCareer will let you create a 7'2 center with PG skills, there's no limitations to what a player can do at any positions. Yesterday I played a squad of Ballers all 7ft, legends, who were quick , agile , shooting 3's etc...

Can't get mad, I chose to play that arcade mode. 2K15 is what it is, the Sim modes play sim, while the arcade modes play like NBA Jam.

[Vroman]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Stop playing them arcade modes. MyTeam, The Park/Rec or all arcade modes.

You can't control the experience, because it's a create-a-mode. Either your creating a team or player. Those modes are designed for fun factor, not to be played realistically. You can have an All-Star team with legends from different era's on MyTeam. Your not playing realistic ball with no scrubs on the team. A team filled with MJ, Kobe, Lebron, etc.... will have almost anybody driving the lane to dunk for damn near the whole game.

MyCareer will let you create a 7'2 center with PG skills, there's no limitations to what a player can do at any positions. Yesterday I played a squad of Ballers all 7ft, legends, who were quick , agile , shooting 3's etc...

Can't get mad, I chose to play that arcade mode. 2K15 is what it is, the Sim modes play sim, while the arcade modes play like NBA Jam.

Agree, both MT and MC(rincluding rec and park) are way too limitless in capability growth of your team or player.
If only there were lower limit of attribute upgrades, limit of gold badges, penalties of making biggest height/wingspan/shoulder of your position (anything less than max of those is inferior option now) . Then you could talk about playing successful basketball in Rec. Its so annoying to play squads of every1 99 ovr and 40+ badges already.

[TalenT]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

I agree w/ the OP. I would love to just pick up the controller, go to online quick match and have a phenomenal game, win or lose. I honestly would rather lose a well played game than win against a garbage cheeser. I don't blame the player either. If the game mechanics forced you to play for an open shot or play defense with your body instead of your hands (just a couple of examples) people would stop playing like this.

[manu1433]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

For once, just once, I'd like to be able to play a game of NBA2K15 where good ball movement, accurate cuts, good kickouts and closeouts are the ingredient to victory rather than finding ways to hold down the turbo button and dunk every possible shot.

Take this new MyTeam challenge, for example - it's just sad that people have run game after game before coming to the conclusion that the only way to win is to stack your team full of dunkers and run at the CPU trying to milk foul calls.

Domination is the same - if you play a game where you beat the CPU by 30 points by running plays and keeping the score realistic, you don't have a chance in hell of getting the MT points to win the reward packs. So people just speed up the tempo to a ridiculous run-and-gun tempo and end up getting more rewarded for it... and people wonder why many online players are so cheesy?

With habits like this for most first-timers encouraged with the introduction offline, what incentive do they have to learn how to play ACTUAL basketball when they can just play this unrealistic BS and see much better results?

If 2K wants to market this as a "simulation" game, then they need to get their **** together and reward smart gameplay and logical roster construction rather than inane Harlem Globetrotter crap.

To be fair, their marketing works pretty well.

I've seen hundreds of posts on this site claiming 2k is a "sim."

Every single time somebody says that it leaves me scratching my head.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Problem is the game needs better physics , foot planting , and reactions. My favorite thing about open world games is how free and organic they feel. 2k doesn't give me that feel not that it's a bad game. For example when the game doesn't let you jump to contest at times or alleys that ignore contact or lose ball situations . Guess that's a curse of yearly releases ?

[TrustedDegree4]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Problem is the game needs better physics , foot planting , and reactions. My favorite thing about open world games is how free and organic they feel. 2k doesn't give me that feel not that it's a bad game. For example when the game doesn't let you jump to contest at times or alleys that ignore contact or lose ball situations . Guess that's a curse of yearly releases ?

These animations are so damn unfair. I'm fine with the realistic contact dunks but dislike the ones where they make your player move back just to get dunked on.

Plus this ****ing flopping for no reason is annoying as hell. I'm holding LT to body up my opponent and out of nowhere my player just falls to the ground when I know I did not flopped. It happens a lot at the key, baseline or under the basket for me. It always a score or dunk that comes after it.

The animations where you can't jump or block the shot is annoying. Most of the stuff that happens should not happen. This is not even how 2k rewards how people play.

These are just the beginning to all of the problems wrong with the game. Like you said, I think a change in physics and some other things would do wonders for this game. Being released every year is a downside to it as well. But being able to keep using our saves from the past game and getting back the VC would make this not that much of an issue.

[tyberious4now]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Let me guess and if 2k we're to make all these changes to this Video Game people would still find something to complain about trust me!

Never happy and never satisfied. ...

[ataman5]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

We have Online Leagues for this. Or wait do we ?

[manu1433]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Let me guess and if 2k we're to make all these changes to this Video Game people would still find something to complain about trust me!

Never happy and never satisfied. ...

Why would we be satisfied when people customers are buying the crap out of this game and 2k still can't fix their servers and have consistently added more "cheese" to 2k every single year since 2k11?

When consumers get satisfied, is when they get ripped off and developers get lazy.

[Balto500]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

These animations are so damn unfair. I'm fine with the realistic contact dunks but dislike the ones where they make your player move back just to get dunked on.

Plus this ****ing flopping for no reason is annoying as hell. I'm holding LT to body up my opponent and out of nowhere my player just falls to the ground when I know I did not flopped. It happens a lot at the key, baseline or under the basket for me. It always a score or dunk that comes after it.

The animations where you can't jump or block the shot is annoying. Most of the stuff that happens should not happen. This is not even how 2k rewards how people play.

These are just the beginning to all of the problems wrong with the game. Like you said, I think a change in physics and some other things would do wonders for this game. Being released every year is a downside to it as well. But being able to keep using our saves from the past game and getting back the VC would make this not that much of an issue.

For me it's when I'm chasing some one down who I'm faster then and I accidentally bump Into them and my guy stops dead in his tracks despite me still moving the analog forward and then I get a deduction in teammate grade for lettingn them score


The lack of correct spelling an overall bad grammar and punctuation are brought to you by my complete lack of sh**s to give

[coached17]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

Stop playing them arcade modes. MyTeam, The Park/Rec or all arcade modes.

You can't control the experience, because it's a create-a-mode. Either your creating a team or player. Those modes are designed for fun factor, not to be played realistically. You can have an All-Star team with legends from different era's on MyTeam. Your not playing realistic ball with no scrubs on the team. A team filled with MJ, Kobe, Lebron, etc.... will have almost anybody driving the lane to dunk for damn near the whole game.

MyCareer will let you create a 7'2 center with PG skills, there's no limitations to what a player can do at any positions. Yesterday I played a squad of Ballers all 7ft, legends, who were quick , agile , shooting 3's etc...

Can't get mad, I chose to play that arcade mode. 2K15 is what it is, the Sim modes play sim, while the arcade modes play like NBA Jam.

That's a cop out...

There's no reason that just because MyTeam allows you to build your own team that the GAMES you play still can't be SIM.

This is just an excuse.

At least with The Park, it's somewhat understood that it's an Arcade mode, but I don't understand why MyTeam should play any differently than any other online ranked game.

The problem isn't the mode, it's the GAME.

Sorry, but even in Online Ranked Games the best strategy is still to just TURBO around with a SUPERSTAR and throw up as many shots as possible and get fouled.

Run a play, move the ball, and work for an open shot....why bother?

All that happens is you get screwed by missing WIDE OPEN jumpers with releases right on the line....or even better - miss easy LAYUPS because a defender breathes on you a split second before you shoot.

The problem is, stuff like that is PROGRAMMED into the game to cover up the problems the game has when it comes to physics, animations, and defense.

Seriously, the BEST defense you can play online is to just NOT cover guys under the hoop....that's because most layup animations take FOREVER and the STANDING layup animations force you to miss shots at an alarming rate for an NBA player.


In EVERY mode, the game still REWARDS those who continue to play it like it's NBA Jam. The only time it doesn't is when it's played OFFLINE. Sorry, but if the so-called "answer" to multiple problems with the game is to NOT play online and only play offline Vs the CPU...then that's a problem.


One fix would be to REMOVE Turbo...the way it's used in the game is unrealistic. The fact is, the TURBO button is nothing but as CRUTCH for weak players. Something like a "Burst" button for occasional use would be much better. Just watch some of the star players in the game when they Turbo...they slide around the court like Wayne Gretzky....they look like they are on ICE.

Also...the inside shooting and layups need to be seriously looked at.

Sorry, but you know there is something seriously WRONG when it is "common sense" in 2K15 to only shoot at the rim with STAR players.

Be honest...no one shoots layups, unless it's on a fast break....or with a star like LeBron.

Just watch one online game where every single offensive rebound is thrown back out. It tells you all you need to know.

When given a CHOICE of shooting a wide open "bunny" layup after an offensive rebound or good ball movement...it's almost ALWAYS a better choice to throw the ball back out and shoot a jumper or get the ball back to you STAR so you can drive with him - at least that way you can make a layup or draw a foul.

Stuff like this PUSHES players to play like it's NBA Jam 2K15.

[bo.jangles344]

Re: Why are we REWARDED for playing this game like NBA Jam?

I've found in most cases, if you play realistic ball and good defense, you will win 8/10 games on the rec. Which makes me happy.