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  • Figment
    Pro
    • Jan 2009
    • 772

    #1

    2015 Chicago Cubs

    1/19/2015 Here is list two.

    With all the moves the Cubs have been making this offseason, I have been getting really anxious for the 2015 OSFM roster, so I started thinking and digging in to what players should be on the roster, at least as of right now.

    I will put my list together and leave it open to hear input from everyone else. I will divide it in to 4 tiers:
    Tier 1- Obvious MLB players.
    Tier 2- Players competing for an MLB spot or fringe AAA players who get spot starts.
    Tier 3- The top minor league prospects in the organization.
    Tier 4- Everyone else who will fill out the 90 man roster.
    I will also include any other positions they play and my projected potential rating as follows:
    97-99=A+
    93-96=A
    90-92=A-
    87-89=B+
    83-86=B
    80-82=B-
    77-79=C+
    73-76=C
    70-72=C-
    67-69=D+
    63-66=D
    60-62=D-
    57-59=F+
    53-56=F
    52-Below=F-

    SP [25]
    Tier 1:
    Jon Lester (A-)
    Jake Arrieta (B+)
    Jason Hammel (B-)
    Kyle Hendricks (B)
    Tier 2:
    Travis Wood (C+) [RP]
    Edwin Jackson (C)
    Jacob Turner (B-) [RP]
    Tsuyoshi Wada (C+) [RP]
    Felix Doubront (C+) [RP]
    Erik Jokisch (C-)
    Dallas Beeler (C-)
    Tier 3:
    C.J. Edwards (B+)
    Pierce Johnson (B+)
    Jen-Ho Tseng (B)
    Tier 4:
    Corey Black (B-)
    Barret Loux (C-)
    Rob Zastryzny (C+)
    Ivan Pineyro (C)
    Paul Blackburn (B)
    Duane Underwood (B)
    Carson Sands (B)
    Jonathan Martinez (B-)
    Jake Stinnett (C)
    Lars Huijer (C+)
    Dylan Cease (C)
    Justin Steele (C)
    RP & CP [24]
    Tier 1
    :
    Hector Rondon (B-) [CP & RP]
    Pedro Strop (B) [RP & CP]
    Jason Motte (C+) [RP & CP]
    Neil Ramirez (B) [RP]
    Justin Grimm (C+) [RP & SP]
    Tier 2:
    Blake Parker (C) [RP & CP]
    Brian Schlitter (C-) [RP]
    Donn Roach (C-) [RP & SP]
    Joe Ortiz (C) [RP]
    Matt Brazis (D+) [RP]
    Zac Rosscup (D+) [RP]
    Jorge De Leon (C-) [RP]
    Francisley Bueno (D+) [RP]
    Daniel Bard (C-) [RP]
    Tier 3:
    Armando Rivero (B) [RP & CP]
    Tier 4:
    Marcus Hatley (C+) [RP]
    Hunter Cervenka (C) [RP]
    Erling Moreno (B-) [RP]
    Frank Batista (B-) [RP & CP]
    Tony Zych (C) [RP]
    Lendy Castillo (C) [RP]
    Dillon Maples (C-) [RP & SP]
    Gerardo Concepcion (C-) [RP]
    Juan Carlos Paniagua (D+) [RP]
    C [10]
    Tier 1
    :
    Miguel Montero (B-)
    David Ross (C+)
    Tier 2:
    Wellington Castillo (C)
    Tier 3:
    Rafael Lopez (C-)
    Kyle Schwarber (B+) [LF/RF]
    Victor Caratini (B-) [3B]
    Mark Zagunis (C+) [LF/RF]
    Tier 4:
    Taylor Davis (C)
    Cael Brockmeyer (C+) [1B]
    Taylor Teagarden (C-)
    1B [4]
    Tier 1:
    Anthony Rizzo (A)
    Tier 2:
    N/A
    Tier 3:
    Dan Vogelbach (B-)
    Tier 4:
    Danny Canela (C) [C]
    Dustin Geiger (D+)
    2B [7]
    Tier 1:
    Javier Baez (B+) [SS]
    Tommy La Stella (C+) [3B/SS]
    Tier 2:
    Chris Valaika (D+) [1B/3B/SS]
    Logan Watkins (C-) [1B/3B/SS/LF/CF/RF]
    Tier 3:
    Gioskar Amaya (C+)
    Tier 4:
    Andrew Ely (C)
    Stephen Bruno (D+)
    3B [5]
    Tier 1:
    N/A
    Tier 2:
    Mike Olt (C+) [1B]
    Tier 3:
    Kris Bryant (A+) [LF]
    Christian Villanueva (B-)
    Tier 4:
    Jeimer Candelario (C-)
    Wes Darvill (C-)
    SS [5]
    Tier 1:
    Starlin Castro (A-)
    Tier 2:
    Jonathan Herrera (C) [2B/3B]
    Tier 3:
    Addison Russell (A)
    Gleyber Torres (B)
    Tier 4:
    Carlos Penalver (D+)
    LF [7]
    Tier 1:
    N/A
    Tier 2:
    Chris Coghlan (C) [RF]
    Chris Denorfia (C) [RF]
    Junior Lake (B-) [2B/3B/SS/CF/RF]
    Tier 3:
    N/A
    Tier 4:
    Rubi Silva (C-) [RF]
    Jeffery Baez (C) [RF]
    Shawon Dunston Jr (C-) [CF/RF]
    Bijan Rademacher (C-) [RF]
    CF [7]
    Tier 1:
    Dexter Fowler (B-) [LF/RF]
    Tier 2:
    Arismendy Alcantara (B) [2B/SS/3B]
    Matt Szczur (B) [LF/RF]
    Tier 3:
    Albert Almora (B) [LF/RF]
    Tier 4:
    Jacob Hannemann (C-) [LF/RF]
    Trey Martin (C-) [LF/RF]
    Rashad Crawford (C-) [LF/RF]
    RF [6]
    Tier 1:
    Jorge Soler (A-) [LF]
    Tier 2:
    N/A
    Tier 3:
    Billy McKinney (B) [LF/CF]
    Eloy Jimenez (B) [LF/CF]
    Tier 4:
    Pin-Chieh Chen (C) [LF]
    Kevin Brown (C+) [LF]
    Kevonte Mitchell (C-) [LF]

    This totals to 50 Pitchers and and 51 position players. A total of 101 players to currently look in to for the 2015 OSFM set. There is a decent chance players like Felix Doubront or Tsuyoshi Wada request to be released if they do not make the MLB team.
    Last edited by Figment; 01-19-2015, 01:08 PM.
  • sminta10
    Rookie
    • Apr 2010
    • 2

    #2
    Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

    Dude I agree with most of your rankings but Kris Bryant is a high Tier 2 guy he will be in the Majors early 2015

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    • redsox4evur
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2013
      • 18169

      #3
      Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

      Originally posted by sminta10
      Dude I agree with most of your rankings but Kris Bryant is a high Tier 2 guy he will be in the Majors early 2015
      I don't know, when Theo was in Boston he always held prospects in the minors for a long time. A prime example of this is Dustin Pedroia. He had 1223 plate appearances in the minors before even being called up. I am guessing he was a September call up because he only played 31 games in his first season. And if you look at Rizzo, who he had in the Red Sox organization as well as the Cubs organization, he had 1,557 plate appearances before being called up. So I would expect Bryant to be a September call up or if the team is seriously out of contention. Then maybe the beginning of August but that would be the earliest, I see him coming up. But if Theo allows Madden to make the choice it could be around mid June. I looked at Longoria's minor league numbers and he 881 plate appearances before being called up.

      Addison Russell on the other hand could be up this year and play off the bench or play second if he knows how to play 2nd.
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      • SportsFanEvan
        Rookie
        • May 2013
        • 25

        #4
        Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

        Bryant will almost certainly be up in April. Only reason he'll be down there to start is for financial reasons.

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        • teeds
          Pro
          • Jun 2003
          • 551

          #5
          Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

          Charlie Cutler signed with the Angels and Lars Anderson signed a minor league deal with the Dodgers so that opens up two spots.
          Last edited by teeds; 01-09-2015, 05:10 PM.

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          • ShowTyme15
            LADetermined
            • Jan 2004
            • 11853

            #6
            Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

            Cubs sign Taylor Teagarden and Jorge De Leon.

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            • Figment
              Pro
              • Jan 2009
              • 772

              #7
              Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

              Originally posted by sminta10
              Dude I agree with most of your rankings but Kris Bryant is a high Tier 2 guy he will be in the Majors early 2015
              The only reason I have Bryant as a tier 3 instead of a 2 is because he does not have any MLB playing time. You could make an argument for him to be tier 1 right now. I made the list thinking in terms of the OSFM project, everyone in tier 1 & 2 already have MLB playing time and have a decent chance of being on the default roster that launches with the game.

              I will be updating and reorganizing the list later on today. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Also, if you come accross any good Cubs top 20 or top 50 prospect articles, please post it here. I feel they give a really good idea what players should be included in the OSFM sets.

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              • Figment
                Pro
                • Jan 2009
                • 772

                #8
                Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                I updated and reorganized the new list. I have the Dexter Fowler trade which made me change Arismendy Alcantara from a Tier 1 to a Tier 2, but given his utility ability (2B/SS/OF), I expect he will remain in the majors.

                Now that Luis Valbuena has been traded away, who will be the opening day 3B? Do you think the Cubs will let Kris Bryant open the season on the MLB roster or start someone else like Mike Olt, Tommy La Stella, or Jonathan Herrera? I think they still sit on Bryant to get that extra year of control, should be up in May, I still don't quite understand the rule, but I know they need to keep him out of the Majors for a little bit. Here is what I would have as my 25 man roster is the season started today:
                SP:
                Jon Lester (L)
                Jake Arrieta
                Jason Hammel
                Kyle Hendricks
                Travis Wood (L)
                CP:
                Hector Rondon
                RP:
                Pedro Strop
                Neil Ramirez
                Jason Motte
                Justin Grimm (Long Reliever)
                Tsuyoshi Wada (L) (Long Reliever)
                Jacob Turner (Long Reliever)

                C Miguel Montero
                1B Anthony Rizzo
                2B Javier Baez
                3B Mike Olt
                SS Starlin Castro
                LF Chris Coghlan vs Righties/Chris Denorfia vs Lefties
                CF Dexter Fowler
                RF Jorge Soler

                Bench
                2B Tommy La Stella (3B/SS)
                CF Arismendy Alcantara (2B/SS)
                C David Ross
                SS Jonathan Herrera (2B/3B)

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                • redsox4evur
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 18169

                  #9
                  Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                  Originally posted by Figment

                  Now that Luis Valbuena has been traded away, who will be the opening day 3B? Do you think the Cubs will let Kris Bryant open the season on the MLB roster or start someone else like Mike Olt, Tommy La Stella, or Jonathan Herrera? I think they still sit on Bryant to get that extra year of control, should be up in May, I still don't quite understand the rule, but I know they need to keep him out of the Majors for a little bit.
                  According to Joel Sherman, yesterday at 11:22 AM said on Twitter
                  #cubs plan to play Olt, LaStella, maybe Alcantara at 3b until Bryant is ready
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                  • OhioCub
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 409

                    #10
                    Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                    Bryant has to remain in the minors for the first 12 games of the season in order for the Cubs to maintain the extra year of control and I fully expect, barring injury or a terrible spring, he'll be up after those first 12 games.

                    The list looks good though. Personally, I'd bump Schwarber up to an A- or possibly even an A. I've read a few interviews with Epstein and everytime they ask him about the prospects, if Schwarber's name isn't included by the interviewer Epstein is real quick to bring him up saying he's a future #3 hitter for any major league lineup. If Theo is that high on him then I gotta believe he's better than a B+. Just my two cents.

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                    • seanjeezy
                      The Future
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 3347

                      #11
                      Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                      Originally posted by OhioCub
                      The list looks good though. Personally, I'd bump Schwarber up to an A- or possibly even an A. I've read a few interviews with Epstein and everytime they ask him about the prospects, if Schwarber's name isn't included by the interviewer Epstein is real quick to bring him up saying he's a future #3 hitter for any major league lineup. If Theo is that high on him then I gotta believe he's better than a B+. Just my two cents.
                      Depends on what position he ultimately ends up at. Remember that each position is weighted differently, so he might be a B+ in LF/1B but an A- at C. Only sure way to find out is to input the ratings and check the OVR rating.
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                      • OhioCub
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 409

                        #12
                        Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                        Good point, from the sounds of things they seem pretty determined to keep him catching.

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                        • Figment
                          Pro
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 772

                          #13
                          Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                          I am curious on how everyone is setting their lineup right now, or how they would set it up. I started a new franchise since we got Fowler and I am running this:

                          vs RHP
                          CF Dexter Fowler
                          RF Ryan Sweeney
                          SS Starlin Castro
                          1B Anthony Rizzo
                          C Miguel Montero
                          2B Javier Baez
                          3B Mike Olt
                          RF Jorge Soler
                          Pitcher

                          vs LHP
                          CF Dexter Fowler
                          LF Chris Denorfia
                          SS Starlin Castro
                          1B Anthony Rizzo
                          RF Jorge Soler
                          2B Javier Baez
                          3B Mike Olt
                          C David Ross
                          Pitcher

                          My bench is:
                          CF Arismendy Alcantara (2B/3B/SS)
                          LF Chris Coghlan
                          2B Tommy La Stella (3B)

                          I have not yet called up Kris Bryant. I'm thinking he should be my number 3 or 4 with Rizzo, but not sure yet. Thinking something like:

                          vs RHP
                          CF Dexter Fowler
                          SS Starlin Castro
                          1B Anthony Rizzo
                          3B Kris Bryant
                          C Miguel Montero
                          2B Javier Baez
                          RF Jorge Soler
                          LF Ryan Sweeney/Chris Coghlan

                          vs LHP
                          CF Dexter Fowler
                          SS Starlin Castro
                          1B Anthony Rizzo
                          3B Kris Bryant
                          RF Jorge Soler
                          LF Chris Denorfia
                          2B Javier Baez
                          C David Ross/Miguel Montero

                          Any thoughts on my lineup when I call up Kris Bryant? How does your lineup/roster look different for your franchise? When it comes to sports, I am quite the football expert, but when it comes to baseball, I am really more of just a fan. I would appreciate some outside input.

                          Thanks.

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                          • Figment
                            Pro
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 772

                            #14
                            Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                            Originally posted by OhioCub
                            Bryant has to remain in the minors for the first 12 games of the season in order for the Cubs to maintain the extra year of control and I fully expect, barring injury or a terrible spring, he'll be up after those first 12 games.

                            The list looks good though. Personally, I'd bump Schwarber up to an A- or possibly even an A. I've read a few interviews with Epstein and everytime they ask him about the prospects, if Schwarber's name isn't included by the interviewer Epstein is real quick to bring him up saying he's a future #3 hitter for any major league lineup. If Theo is that high on him then I gotta believe he's better than a B+. Just my two cents.
                            The last article I read (on Bleed Cubbie Blue) said Bryant will be called up between April 17-20. I am assuming that is the 12 days you were talking about.

                            As far as Schwarber being a B+, I mean that more of the 89 potential, 88 at the lowest. Given how he is only 21 years old and still likely a couple years from pushing for MLB playing time, that potential will only go up. One thing I have realized is that there are two potential ratings, one is their actual potential rating, and the other one is their age. By the end of season one he WILL be an A- at the least, after season two he would definitely be a solid A. That was just my thought process with him though. Still, he is a good argument to be an A- to A potential player, I definitely do not disagree with you.

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                            • redsox4evur
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 18169

                              #15
                              Re: 2015 Chicago Cubs

                              Originally posted by Figment
                              I am curious on how everyone is setting their lineup right now, or how they would set it up. I started a new franchise since we got Fowler and I am running this:

                              vs RHP
                              CF Dexter Fowler
                              RF Ryan Sweeney
                              SS Starlin Castro
                              1B Anthony Rizzo
                              C Miguel Montero
                              2B Javier Baez
                              3B Mike Olt
                              RF Jorge Soler
                              Pitcher

                              vs LHP
                              CF Dexter Fowler
                              LF Chris Denorfia
                              SS Starlin Castro
                              1B Anthony Rizzo
                              RF Jorge Soler
                              2B Javier Baez
                              3B Mike Olt
                              C David Ross
                              Pitcher

                              My bench is:
                              CF Arismendy Alcantara (2B/3B/SS)
                              LF Chris Coghlan
                              2B Tommy La Stella (3B)

                              I have not yet called up Kris Bryant. I'm thinking he should be my number 3 or 4 with Rizzo, but not sure yet. Thinking something like:

                              vs RHP
                              CF Dexter Fowler
                              SS Starlin Castro
                              1B Anthony Rizzo
                              3B Kris Bryant
                              C Miguel Montero
                              2B Javier Baez
                              RF Jorge Soler
                              LF Ryan Sweeney/Chris Coghlan

                              vs LHP
                              CF Dexter Fowler
                              SS Starlin Castro
                              1B Anthony Rizzo
                              3B Kris Bryant
                              RF Jorge Soler
                              LF Chris Denorfia
                              2B Javier Baez
                              C David Ross/Miguel Montero

                              Any thoughts on my lineup when I call up Kris Bryant? How does your lineup/roster look different for your franchise? When it comes to sports, I am quite the football expert, but when it comes to baseball, I am really more of just a fan. I would appreciate some outside input.

                              Thanks.
                              I wouldn't hit him 4 unless your other power hitters like Soler and Rizzo are underperforming and you are out of the playoff hunt. Because it could kill his confidence if he isn't performing by creating runs in the 4, which is what the cleanup hitter is meant to do. It could up pissing the fan's off and think he is overrated (trust me I have seen this first hand with Xander Bogaerts this offseason). I would hit him 6th or 7th when you first call him up. And then depending on his production move him up to fifth then 3rd and after he has proven for a season or so then move him to the cleanup spot.
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