Not Sim? Madden Completely Gets the Super Bowl Right...

[Big FN Deal]

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@My993C2, that's kind of my hypothesis also about the outcome but I would like proof. As far as the Youtube upload, you're right, so it would likely be best to just let the CPU v CPU play out while streaming via Twitchtv. I think that way it can be archived/saved there and I stress using CPU v CPU along with the default sets.

[FaceMask]

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They're probably not playing through the game a bunch of times.

You have to remember that they own the game and have deep access to functions the user doesn't. Some credence to that is given by some of the camera angles you see being shown pre-play, some of which don't exist in the actual game. In debug, they're probably able to run any play from any position on the field and manipulate the score & stats as well.

At the end of the day, it was a prediction. The prediction being right is a cool thing, but certainly no indicator of Madden being a proper sim of pro football.

[TexasFan2005]

Not Sim? Madden Completely Gets the Super Bowl Right...

My thoughts are all over the place concerning this thread title and the general notion of Madden being any kind of NFL "sim" but I'm going to try to focus in this post.



I think that any game making this type of claim, should prove it by posting a full game of CPU v CPU, for everyone to see just how it compares to the real thing. That means a complete Super Bowl game, with 15 min quarters, played out CPU v CPU in Madden and posted for everyone to see, if they choose to.



Considering that, can someone that has the game actually do this and have it posted to view on youtube, Twitch or something? Recreate the Super Bowl in M15, with full 15 min quarters, default settings/sliders, CPU v CPU and let's see how it actually plays out, game play, stats, everything, in comparison to the real thing.

If this were to happen, I imagine the 'virtual betting odds' would reflect that of a college basketball game, particularly in the Over/Under.

[LBzrule]

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The fact that Madden predicted the final score to me means nothing. If we want to use it then it has to work point for point. Madden's Seattle secondary wasn't injured. Avril didn't get concussed. Madden's Patriots didn't make adjustments with Browner so on and so forth.

[LBzrule]

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Everyone replying to this thread has to realize there are multiple definitions of the term "Sim". For me, I see Sim as stats. Final Scores, Total Yards, Pass vs Rush split, Penalty yards, & Player stats. I'm not worried about the gameplay as long as it's fun.

For others, Sim means gameplay. Footplanting, OL/DL battles, WR/DB interactions, no warping, real penalties. Some want a combination of both. Be mindful of others opinions and when you describe something as not Sim...stat what you expect as sim, but don't disregard other's comments saying what they believe in.

Even if you see sim as stats to use that for Madden is not really a good variable. And this is easy to tell especially on defense and with the offensive line. When you super sim a game watch how inflated the defenders tackle numbers are. With the offensive line, look at their pancake numbers when you sim. Now, when you actually play a game, notice how your defenders don't even come close to those numbers. Notice how your OL don't come close to those numbers. It's a very inconsistent variable that disappears when a person actually plays. If sim means stats you'd think that would be consistent whether it is cpu vs cpu or human vs cpu.

[xzghxfh]

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Have they gotten the score right all of those 9 times? Or just the winner? It would be more impressive if it was the actual score, not just the winner.

[JaymeeAwesome]

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Even if you see sim as stats to use that for Madden is not really a good variable. And this is easy to tell especially on defense and with the offensive line. When you super sim a game watch how inflated the defenders tackle numbers are. With the offensive line, look at their pancake numbers when you sim. Now, when you actually play a game, notice how your defenders don't even come close to those numbers. Notice how your OL don't come close to those numbers. It's a very inconsistent variable that disappears when a person actually plays. If sim means stats you'd think that would be consistent whether it is cpu vs cpu or human vs cpu.

Supersim is not a real gauge on simulation stats. It's the numbers in your CFM for the teams you don't handle for non-played games. Actually, outside CFM, if you were to watch CPU vs CPU while using my sliders (no supersim)...people say that they play very well. My only real gripe at this moment is the sacks, which I hope they work on next year. Other than that, penalty overhaul will help too.

[baller7345]

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I don't know if you'd be able to upload the file on YouTube because a CPU vs CPU 15 minute quarter game would be about 2 hours long and the video file might be rather large. However I could play the game and report back the result. I was actually thinking of playing the game but never got around to doing it because it just seemed like too much work and I questioned who would want to watch a 2+ hour long virtual Super Bowl on YouTube.

I am guessing a CPU vs CPU game with 15 minute quarters using default rosters and default sliders between the Patriots and the Seahawks would be a pretty high scoring affair. Only a guess here, but I would say final score would be somewhere in the 40'something to 30'something score range. Of course you could play 100 games and get 100 different results. Every game is different. But Madden out of the box with default rosters and sliders is pretty high scoring game. Thankfully some people built some cool roster mods and slider mods than I was able to use and my 12 minute quarter CPU vs CPU games produce more realistic results.

We've come a long way over the years in terms of football games. But we are still many years away from the games being a close sim of the real world games.

Are we going to change he clock runoff to reflect a real game or just leave it at default settings? If you drop the clock run off to 15 or 10 seconds you'd speed up the game and get a more realistic amount of plays in a full 60 minute game.

I play nothing but default All-Madden with 15 minute quarters and while I can have some really high scoring games I also get those 17-10 games from time to time.

I've never bothered with cpu vs cpu but I imagine you will probably average something near 25-30 points per team, which while high for an average against the Seahawks isn't outrageous.

[My993C2]

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If anyone is interested I am streaming a Seahawks vs Patriots CPU vs CPU Super Bowl 15 minute quarters game with default rosters and default sliders in Madden 15 on a PS4 on twitch.tv right now (assuming I set it up all properly). Both CPU teams are on ALL-MADDEN setting.

http://www.twitch.tv/my993c2

Final Score:

Seattle 52 - New England 12

SEA 10-14-14-14
N.E. 0-3-6-3

The Mad'mentum is in full effect. It looks like another Super Bore blow out.
Good thing this was not the real game. LOL

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Not Sim? Madden Completely Gets the Super Bowl Right...

If anyone is interested I am streaming a Seahawks vs Patriots CPU vs CPU Super Bowl 15 minute quarters game with default rosters and default sliders in Madden 15 on a PS4 on twitch.tv right now (assuming I set it up all properly). Both CPU teams are on ALL-MADDEN setting.

http://www.twitch.tv/my993c2

In 3rd Quarter:

Seattle 38 - New England 6

SEA 10-14-14-X
N.E. 0-3-3-X

The Mad'mentum is in full effect. It looks like another Super Bore blow out.
Good thing this was not the real game. LOL

Appreciate it man, if you can keep track of all the final stats and drive summaries for comparison. Hopefully it's made easy by just streaming yourself checking those screens at the end of the game. I think all this will be saved on Twitchtv for later viewing.

[baller7345]

Re: Not Sim? Madden Completely Gets the Super Bowl Right...

If anyone is interested I am streaming a Seahawks vs Patriots CPU vs CPU Super Bowl 15 minute quarters game with default rosters and default sliders in Madden 15 on a PS4 on twitch.tv right now (assuming I set it up all properly). Both CPU teams are on ALL-MADDEN setting.

http://www.twitch.tv/my993c2

In 4th Quarter:

Seattle 38 - New England 9

SEA 10-14-14-0
N.E. 0-3-6-0

The Mad'mentum is in full effect. It looks like another Super Bore blow out.
Good thing this was not the real game. LOL

I guess last years Seahawks showed up.

[My993C2]

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Appreciate it man, if you can keep track of all the final stats and drive summaries for comparison. Hopefully it's made easy by just streaming yourself checking those screens at the end of the game. I think all this will be saved on Twitchtv for later viewing.

Hopefully it will be saved for later viewing. Not sure how twitch works, this was my first time streaming to it. I did scroll through the team + player stats screens at the end of the game. But right now when I try to access the twitch page all I see is "Offline".

There was only one turn over in the game. Brady threw a pick in the 2nd quarter and Seattle turned that into 7 points. But really the game was a blow out because Seattle was able to run with Lynch who gained more than 230 yards on the ground and New England was unable to score any TDs. But I would not read too much into this. I could run the same game again and I am pretty sure we would see different results. It's all good. It's game and we are supposed to be having fun with the game. We have come a long way over the years with computer football games. But we still have many more years before we get close to reality.

[SamuraiX]

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Even if you see sim as stats to use that for Madden is not really a good variable. And this is easy to tell especially on defense and with the offensive line. When you super sim a game watch how inflated the defenders tackle numbers are. With the offensive line, look at their pancake numbers when you sim. Now, when you actually play a game, notice how your defenders don't even come close to those numbers. Notice how your OL don't come close to those numbers. It's a very inconsistent variable that disappears when a person actually plays. If sim means stats you'd think that would be consistent whether it is cpu vs cpu or human vs cpu.

This^

And I love how cheeky the thread title is, "not sim?!". Lol as if they've proven something with this.