I don't know if this has been talked about before but the amount of blown layups after grabbing an offensive rebound is ridiculous. That's without mentioning how useless it is to use the post game unless you are hitting fadeaways. I basically have to kick out every offensive rebound I grab because if i shoot it it's a miss and if i try to dribble out it's a loose ball.
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Re: Blown Layups on Offensive Rebounds
I don't see the problem in resetting the offense, and about the post play... check your players' fadeaway rating. I score fadeaways above 50% of the time with my dirk who has a 90 something post fade, not to mention it gives you 11 MT for an assisted post score. -
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While I usually kick it back out and reset as you say....that's not realistic ball at all. ANY center or PF that gets the board right under the rim will put it back up unless they can make a quick interior pass or they are trying to burn clock.
In reality its more difficult to kick out than to go back up...something inside players are taught at an early age.
Its also not realistic that NBA big men cant hit contested putbacks underneath the goal....much less All Star caliber players. This is one of the problems with the game. Adapting to this type of unrealistic gameplay is necessary to win but then it cheapens the game and takes away from the sim aspect.Comment
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Re: Blown Layups on Offensive Rebounds
This is one of the most frustrating things in the game. 99% of the time shaq or wilt got an offensive rebound they dunked it. Its makes me want to punch a baby when they continually miss these layups. Obviously i would never punch a baby but you get the pointComment
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I agree that this is a huge problem. Seems like it only started after their huge patch that was meant to cut down the amount of posterizing in the game. I have Pink Diamond Shaq and he misses 90% of putbacks. So damn annoying. Worst thing about it is that he doesn't even try to dunk it most of the time; does some stupid layup attempt for no reason...Comment
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It is beyond frustrating. It's one thing to be doubled and needing to kick it out but to have elite players like Davis, Howard,Shaq etc not even attempting a dunk it's ridiculous. Don't get me started on the lame contact layups missed! I know it's really easy to get MT points using the fadeaway, I can't miss those with Dirk but to be honest what is the point on having Shaq or Wilt on your team if you can't give him the ball down low and punish the off ball cheesers. Mistakes like this on 2k condone cheesing.Last edited by H3LLGWAR; 02-13-2015, 01:03 PM.Comment
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Yep having the same problem. Even Hakeem makes less than 30% of his layups right after an offensive rebound. Very frustrating. I'm really having a hard time using my bigs on offense in RTTP.Comment
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From the 03-04 season but still relevant on offensive rebounds.
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The only sure thing is a fadeaway. The rest of the post moves fail 99.9% of the time. In myleague, I'd do up and unders with Davis a lot.
Most of the time, I would just post fadeComment
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what works for me is when i get a rebound under the rim, come out from under the rim slightly then try putbackComment
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Seems like I'm on a parallel universe as far as this problem goes. My issue is actually with the amount of offensive rebounds my team gives up. I'm not to sure what it is, but the animation where the CPU comes flying to rebound their own ball cannot be stopped by my guys unless I user boxout myself. Also, my BIGS miss 80% of their shots down low, but 2k says * you and lets the 3pt cheezers have it easy and their shots are like lay ups. I try to play a realistic game of B-Ball, sorta like a college level type, but nope, 2k punishes me and forces me to cheese to win.Comment
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that may work but again...unrealistic. and who wants to play ball like that? in real life putback for guys like Shaq and guys like that is almost academic. on this game if the anyone is even near you they dont even have to contest in order for you to miss.Comment
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I'm so glad I was not the only one seeing this problem. It's a problem when you see how they miss rebound put back shots; almost always player blatantly misses or short arms the shot.
Watching Lebron, Duncan, Jordan, etc. not getting the ball over the rim is really disgusting and unrealistic. Meanwhile much shorter players (i.e. Curry, Irving and others) go one-on-three underneath the basket and put it in.Comment
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Re: Blown Layups on Offensive Rebounds
The problem with a lot of these misses under or around the rim is two-fold.
The first problem is with the DEFENSE. Because of what was referred to as "paint cheese" in previous versions of NBA2K, help defense in the paint was overpowered and shots in the paint, especially those with a defender close, were NERFED.
The problem is, this now results in lots of shots being missed close to the basket that just don't make sense. It also allows some CHEESY defensive tactics to WORK far too effectively.
One of those tactics is people who chase the ball around by leaving guys open right underneath the hoop. By the time you pass them the ball, the defense can almost ALWAYS recover and at least make a LITTLE contact with the shooter....and that means lots of MISSES. Unless, of course, that layup is shot by a superstar like LeBron, Durant, Melo, etc...and then they seem to go in at a rate almost too high.
The other problem seems to come from the input and animations.
It's very difficult to get a standing dunk animation in the game....even with players who have a high Standing Dunk rating.
Most of the time, the standing dunk animations just don't trigger correctly....there is a delay. This gives the defense time to recover that it really shouldn't have. That ability to recover allows them to "bump" a layup or close range shooter...and that results in lots of misses.
Thats why most of these situations occur after a pass from a teammate or an offensive rebound....
When you make a pass or "drop a dime" to an open big man under the hoop....most of the time they get caught in an animation that almost forces a miss. That's because if you press the shoot button or stick too quickly after passing, you get this crappy animation for a weak layup.
The only way to get somewhat realistic animations is to pass, catch, and then get your momentum and movement going towards the hoop. The problem is, this also creates more of a delay and gives the defense even more time to react and force your big man into a contact layup animation....which we all know is almost always a MISS....unless its taken by one of the ELITE players in the game...and then it's maybe 50/50.
I sort of understand WHY 2K is doing this...if it became too easy to make contested layups, you'd have what you used to have in previous 2K's - paint cheese.
However, players who move the basketball intelligently and get open shots should be rewarded for that. So there needs to be a tweak to these shots at the rim.
But not on ALL paint shots...
My suggestion would be to tweak how big men react around the rim when they have momentum going towards the hoop BEFORE they get the ball....like when a PG drives to the hoop and hits the big man with a pass after his man steps up to contest.
Or on offensive rebounds when a big man's momentum is already going towards the hoop when he grabs the rebound.
Most of these situations don't play out very realistically in the game...and are what is causing most of the complaints.
But you have to be careful....because if you blindly tweak all close shots, you will likely end up with a game where teams are shooting 60% every game because they never miss inside shots.Comment
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I had more succes with changing my shot in mid air than just going straight up.
You need to try to avoid the defence.Comment
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