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  • Toupal
    MVP
    • May 2014
    • 1296

    #1

    Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

    People play CFM for a variety of reasons. Some reasons people may play CFM is to build their own dynasty with their favorite team, rebuild a terrible team, or just have a custom NFL experience of their own. Regardless of your reason for playing CFM, a very important aspect to building any team is the NFL Draft.

    The NFL Draft is essentially the Super Bowl of the offseason, and Madden does not do a good job of portraying the importance of the draft. Some factors that Madden should consider to improving the draft are as follows:

    Scouting- In reality, if a general manager sends out a scout to scout a player, and they come back with a scouting report that says, "I would say he is probably a B- overall, but I will need to scout him again to be sure." I would imagine that the scout would be fired immediately.

    Scouting doesn't necessarily give you their ratings, but rather give you combine times and numbers.

    The most important tool for any scout is game tape. How does the player play. He may be able to run fast and bench a lot, but can he play football? In this instance, I think it would be acceptable to display grades for a player.

    The run down of it would be using your scouting points for one of two categories.
    "Test-Out Results"- Where you spend points to get the numbers that you would see in the combine. For the 40, it will say he runs from a 4.41-4.47. Then you can spend extra points to find out for sure that he runs a 4.45.

    "Tale of the Tape"- This is used for finding out the football intangibles such as catching, break tackle, block shedding, accuracy, etc... Say you are looking at a 6'6 wide receiver and you are curious how good his hands are. All you do is use the scouting points to find out that his hands are an B-, while another receiver you have had your eye on is 6'1 and has A+ hands, now you have to decide what is more important to you.

    This is from Madden 2005!!! 10 years ago

    Draft Day
    Madden has certainly made improvements to the draft day with the addition of story lines. However, some tweaks madden needs to add to the draft are:

    Mock Drafts- I know Madden shows the projected draft position, but lets make use of that ESPN contract and throw out some Mel Kiper and Todd McShay mock drafts so I have an idea who might go where before I have to draft.

    Improving Draft Day Trades- Yeah you can trade back in the draft, but say there is a player I am eye who is a top 10 pick, and I have the 23rd pick, I can't trade up for the pick until right before the draft. Especially, say I have invested a lot into scouting a player and he falls to the 14th pick, I for sure want to do everything in my power to move up and get him.

    Think of where the NFL would be without draft day trades? No Jerry Rice to the 49ers, no Steve Young to the 49ers, Phillip Rivers to the Giants, Eli Manning playing for the Giants. The underline town, Draft Day trades are important.

    Player Comparisons- When I draft a player like Randy Gregory, I want to hear who he plays like, and what kind of player I am getting. I want to see something along with his scouting supports saying he reminds us a lot of Aldon Smith, or comparing a Jameis Winston to Cam Newton.

    Post Draft
    Undrafted Free-Agents- Without undrafted free agents we would be without NFL Legends like Kurt Warner, John Randle, Warren Moon, or Tony Romo.
    After the Draft, Madden has the contract part screen, but I think immediately after the draft you should enter another free agency with the undrafted playes.

    Supplemental Draft- Granted not that many success stories have come out of the Supplemental Draft, but it is still a part of the NFL none the less. Right before the next season starts, there should be a supplemental draft. Some memorable Supplemental Draft Picks have been Cris Carter, Brian Bosworth, Bernie Kosar, and recently Terrelle Pryor.

    Bonus-
    Customizing- Allow us to create a draft prospects before the draft. Or more importantly allow us to edit/ create draft classes. It is an easy fix and something that is extremely achievable.

    How much better does this look?
    Last edited by Toupal; 03-04-2015, 01:46 AM.
  • cusefan74
    MVP
    • Jul 2010
    • 2408

    #2
    Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

    I think they have the draft pretty good right now, and scouting is the best it has ever been. I think they need to leave it alone for now and work on other things.

    Also you can trade up in the draft as it is happening.

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    • 7County
      Banned
      • Jan 2015
      • 6

      #3
      Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

      Originally posted by cusefan74
      I think they have the draft pretty good right now, and scouting is the best it has ever been. I think they need to leave it alone for now and work on other things.

      Also you can trade up in the draft as it is happening.
      So because it has improved from the garbage that it once was, they should just stop working on it? lol

      Imagine EA saying after Madden 2003, "Well good job, I don't see a reason in the world to do anything else to this game!" Then again that is the same attitude most of the people at EA have.

      Improving the game and throwing ideas out there is a reason these forums exist.

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      • cusefan74
        MVP
        • Jul 2010
        • 2408

        #4
        Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

        Originally posted by 7County
        So because it has improved from the garbage that it once was, they should just stop working on it? lol

        Imagine EA saying after Madden 2003, "Well good job, I don't see a reason in the world to do anything else to this game!" Then again that is the same attitude most of the people at EA have.

        Improving the game and throwing ideas out there is a reason these forums exist.

        I don't think they should stop working on it totally. I'm just afraid anything they do with it would hurt it. You know how EA is, they can't leave things alone. Right now it is one thing in the game that works good. The scouting is good, not complicated in any way, and the draft is pretty good. My only real complaint with that is not enough time between picks. I just don't think they need to change it right away.

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        • JaymeeAwesome
          Dynasty Guru
          • Jan 2005
          • 4152

          #5
          Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

          I agree with everything in the original post except for customizing. I love the randomness and it allows for storylines. They need to improve storylines instead of allowing customization. I would hate to see them get in trouble with someone making a full draft of college players and their likenesses and sharing it.

          Improve storylines and make pre-draft, draft day, and post draft more fun.

          The rest of the resource dollars should be invested in making the game more sim....especially with their simmed games algorithms.
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          • Toupal
            MVP
            • May 2014
            • 1296

            #6
            Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

            Originally posted by JaymeeAwesome
            I would hate to see them get in trouble with someone making a full draft of college players and their likenesses and sharing it.
            I don't see how they could get in trouble for something like that.

            Crayola isn't going to get in trouble if a kid draws a picture of Marcus Mariota.

            As long as no one pays for the draft classes, everything is legal.

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            • jayenomics
              Banned
              • Aug 2009
              • 2076

              #7
              Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

              I think the draft is nearly perfect as is. Allowing the league admin to select for other people would be a welcome addition. As would being able to draft from the app.

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              • TheDominator273
                Rookie
                • Feb 2013
                • 1065

                #8
                Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                Originally posted by jayenomics
                I think the draft is nearly perfect as is. Allowing the league admin to select for other people would be a welcome addition. As would being able to draft from the app.
                Agreed. And all I would change about scouting is gicing us combine numbers, or at the very least we shouldn't have to scout for the things the combine measures. Speed, acceleration, agility and strength should all be known quantities.

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                • NDAlum
                  ND
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 11453

                  #9
                  Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                  Originally posted by cusefan74
                  I think they have the draft pretty good right now, and scouting is the best it has ever been. I think they need to leave it alone for now and work on other things.

                  Also you can trade up in the draft as it is happening.
                  I have to strongly disagree

                  The only thing I like about the drafts now is that they are random. Other than that they are so far from what I want
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                  • cusefan74
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 2408

                    #10
                    Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                    Originally posted by NDAlum
                    I have to strongly disagree

                    The only thing I like about the drafts now is that they are random. Other than that they are so far from what I want

                    Well what do you want? What can you do with it to make it better? I mean it's the draft. You ever watch the real draft on TV? Boring! It's not like it's a big exciting thing.


                    I don't see how they could get in trouble for something like that.

                    Crayola isn't going to get in trouble if a kid draws a picture of Marcus Mariota.

                    As long as no one pays for the draft classes, everything is legal.

                    The way things are now I would say there is a good chance of someone getting sued. There is a big difference between someone drawing a picture and keeping it to themselves, and someone making a likeness and posting online for the whole world to see. I would say a couple of years ago, no big deal, now huge deal.

                    I'm not saying someone would get sued if they did it, but I think it's something they have to think about. Now if you are not allowed to share it with other people and keep it to yourself that's different.

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                    • Toupal
                      MVP
                      • May 2014
                      • 1296

                      #11
                      Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                      Originally posted by cusefan74

                      The way things are now I would say there is a good chance of someone getting sued. There is a big difference between someone drawing a picture and keeping it to themselves, and someone making a likeness and posting online for the whole world to see. I would say a couple of years ago, no big deal, now huge deal.

                      I'm not saying someone would get sued if they did it, but I think it's something they have to think about. Now if you are not allowed to share it with other people and keep it to yourself that's different.
                      This is the excuse that EA would give you. But creating rosters has nothing to do with what is going on with the NCAA. The only reason EA got in trouble, is because they used the players likeness from the very beginning.

                      If EA were to give us the random classes, and then simply allow us to edit the class. Then there is no foul. It is no different then madden allowing us to edit the rosters from the very beginning.

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                      • Trick13
                        Pro
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 780

                        #12
                        Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                        My Draft Board - something similar to the NCAA game's recruiting board where I can move players up and down the board - re-ranking them in essence for my own purposes, "remove player" from board, sort of like saying he is un-draftable (stud 1st RD projected player with 65 INJ).


                        This reorder that you do as a user could have some impact on player's draft stock - IE you move a projected mid 3rd rd player up to late second on your board and depending on your reorder and maybe the reorder of fellow users that players "stock" would rise - giving some fluidity and realism to the pre-draft and draft day process.


                        I am in favor of massive changes to scouting - it is so stupid as is. No team goes into the draft only having scouted 30 players and that is where we are right now.


                        I would say the way to fix this is to give scouting/drafting a difficulty slider/setting; The way it is now would be All-Madden, displaying the "physical" ratings in letter form would be All-Pro, Pro would have actual numbers for "physical" attributes and be cheaper to scout the rest, Rookie would just show you all ratings.


                        I remember drafting on PS2 when you had all the ratings - because we had "house rules" for trading it was still challenging to get your guy because you may have to draft him 2 or 3 rds above projection to get him ahead of your human opponents. I would personally prefer All-Pro according to the settings I laid out. But at least with variances you could appease a greater portion of your fan base.


                        I would also like to see them make better use of the screen - having multiple "windows" similar to the menu screens, but going all the way to the edge of the screen and moving from 1 screen to another would allow you to move around within those windows without the others being removed;


                        Therefore you could go through the draft board you created/edited while still seeing on screen the draft as it is happening, or go through trade negotiations without missing who is currently being drafted.

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                        • cusefan74
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 2408

                          #13
                          Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                          Originally posted by Toupal
                          This is the excuse that EA would give you. But creating rosters has nothing to do with what is going on with the NCAA. The only reason EA got in trouble, is because they used the players likeness from the very beginning.

                          If EA were to give us the random classes, and then simply allow us to edit the class. Then there is no foul. It is no different then madden allowing us to edit the rosters from the very beginning.

                          Actually it's not an excuse, it's fact now days. Way to many people to eager to sue over anything. Editing classes for personal use is not a big deal, but editing them and then sharing them could be. I'm not saying it would be a big deal to share them, but it really could be.

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                          • Toupal
                            MVP
                            • May 2014
                            • 1296

                            #14
                            Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                            Originally posted by cusefan74
                            Actually it's not an excuse, it's fact now days. Way to many people to eager to sue over anything. Editing classes for personal use is not a big deal, but editing them and then sharing them could be. I'm not saying it would be a big deal to share them, but it really could be.
                            I would love to sit in on that law suit! Jameis Winston vs. GiantsFan69 for creating and sharing a draft class through Madden!
                            Granted people get sued now a days for not getting all 9 chicken nuggets with their 9 piece meal, but there is no way that anyone would ever get in trouble over that.

                            And if that is the case as well, why is it that NBA 2k has yet to get in trouble for this after allowing it the last few years?

                            It is just an excuse for EA to not allow us to customize our franchise any further.

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                            • cusefan74
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 2408

                              #15
                              Re: Draft Changes for Future Madden Titles

                              Originally posted by Toupal
                              I would love to sit in on that law suit! Jameis Winston vs. GiantsFan69 for creating and sharing a draft class through Madden!
                              Granted people get sued now a days for not getting all 9 chicken nuggets with their 9 piece meal, but there is no way that anyone would ever get in trouble over that.

                              And if that is the case as well, why is it that NBA 2k has yet to get in trouble for this after allowing it the last few years?

                              It is just an excuse for EA to not allow us to customize our franchise any further.

                              Actually I don't think they would go after the person that created it, I think they would go after EA or 2K for allowing it. I also only think it is a matter of time that it happens. I hope it never happens, but the way things are going now days, I just think it's gonna happen at some point.

                              I mean look at it, you have people suing game companies just because they didn't think the game was good enough. So why is it so hard to believe that a college athlete would sue a company for allowing someone to create and use his name and likeness and share it with other people?

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